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	<title>Comments on: FASB 157 &#8212; Delayed, or Not?</title>
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		<title>By: Harry</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2007/11/fasb-157-delayed-or-not/comment-page-1/#comment-51351</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 00:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But what is specifically for liabilities fair value means? In what example is the liabilities carried at fair value on a recurring basis means? If i have banks liabilities as an asset in my book mark to market below par is that means the bank itself overstated their liabilities if it is still booked at cost? anyone can help me?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But what is specifically for liabilities fair value means? In what example is the liabilities carried at fair value on a recurring basis means? If i have banks liabilities as an asset in my book mark to market below par is that means the bank itself overstated their liabilities if it is still booked at cost? anyone can help me?</p>
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		<title>By: Will T</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2007/11/fasb-157-delayed-or-not/comment-page-1/#comment-51350</link>
		<dc:creator>Will T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 20:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leslie Seidman was one of the three board members to vote for the one year extension.

From &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cfo.com/article.cfm/10159029/c_10132205?f=home_todayinfinance&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;cfo.com&lt;/a&gt;:

&quot;There is no way to hardwire [FAS 157 guidance],&quot; asserted FASB member Leslie Seidman at the meeting, who said that fair value estimates should be considered from the perspective of the reporting entity, and therefore will likely be different for each company. &quot;I&#039;m afraid that if we write a lot of &#039;shoulds&#039; it will give us a cookbook approach, but if we leave the hierarchy in place, people will consider the rule principles.&quot;

Another article from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cfo.com/article.cfm/9985407?f=related&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;cfo.com&lt;/a&gt;:

But the final, split vote from the FASB board dictates that companies will have to work through the uncertainties in FAS 157 for the greater good of investors. &quot;This is the most important thing we&#039;ve done as far as investors&#039; input [we&#039;ve received], and I&#039;d hate to see this delayed,&quot; said board member Leslie Seidman. However, Seidman was one of the three board members who supported the deferral. She said it&#039;s important for the board to balance investors&#039; input with an assessment of companies&#039; readiness so that the disclosures would actually provide better information.

When is everyone going to stop drinking the Kool-Aid?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leslie Seidman was one of the three board members to vote for the one year extension.</p>
<p>From <a href="http://www.cfo.com/article.cfm/10159029/c_10132205?f=home_todayinfinance" rel="nofollow">cfo.com</a>:</p>
<p>&#8220;There is no way to hardwire [FAS 157 guidance],&#8221; asserted FASB member Leslie Seidman at the meeting, who said that fair value estimates should be considered from the perspective of the reporting entity, and therefore will likely be different for each company. &#8220;I&#8217;m afraid that if we write a lot of &#8216;shoulds&#8217; it will give us a cookbook approach, but if we leave the hierarchy in place, people will consider the rule principles.&#8221;</p>
<p>Another article from <a href="http://www.cfo.com/article.cfm/9985407?f=related" rel="nofollow">cfo.com</a>:</p>
<p>But the final, split vote from the FASB board dictates that companies will have to work through the uncertainties in FAS 157 for the greater good of investors. &#8220;This is the most important thing we&#8217;ve done as far as investors&#8217; input [we've received], and I&#8217;d hate to see this delayed,&#8221; said board member Leslie Seidman. However, Seidman was one of the three board members who supported the deferral. She said it&#8217;s important for the board to balance investors&#8217; input with an assessment of companies&#8217; readiness so that the disclosures would actually provide better information.</p>
<p>When is everyone going to stop drinking the Kool-Aid?</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Gorup</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2007/11/fasb-157-delayed-or-not/comment-page-1/#comment-51349</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat Gorup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 20:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Since they are dribbling this news out in little spurts, my assumption is that its its more shareholder than corporate friendly.&quot;

Actually, I&#039;ll take the other side of that bet.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Since they are dribbling this news out in little spurts, my assumption is that its its more shareholder than corporate friendly.&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, I&#8217;ll take the other side of that bet.</p>
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		<title>By: Estragon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Estragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Defining &quot;fair&quot; value is easier said than done.  The FASB was probably struggling with whether the rules, as currently written and with implementation experience to date, served to advance the transparency and fairness to which they aspire.

It&#039;s quite likely that a large number of conflicting interpretations and unintended consequences came to light as real world implementation moved forward, and that&#039;s why a delay was considered.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Defining &#8220;fair&#8221; value is easier said than done.  The FASB was probably struggling with whether the rules, as currently written and with implementation experience to date, served to advance the transparency and fairness to which they aspire.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s quite likely that a large number of conflicting interpretations and unintended consequences came to light as real world implementation moved forward, and that&#8217;s why a delay was considered.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Feldman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Feldman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 15:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was wondering how they would get around telling the truth.


I had no doubt that they WOULD get around it -- I was just wondering how.

I suppose if the rule were kept as is, then the next plan of action would be to just ignore it, followed by lying.

As if the truth will ever come out of Merrill, GS and the rest...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was wondering how they would get around telling the truth.</p>
<p>I had no doubt that they WOULD get around it &#8212; I was just wondering how.</p>
<p>I suppose if the rule were kept as is, then the next plan of action would be to just ignore it, followed by lying.</p>
<p>As if the truth will ever come out of Merrill, GS and the rest&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Francois Theberge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Francois Theberge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;allow me to point out that a total deferral for a full year nearly passed. After various lobbying efforts by groups like Financial Executives International, the seven-member FASB rejected such a proposal by a four-to-three vote.&quot;

4 to 3 votes  is a strong indication of how screwed up our regulatory/political system has become.

To paraphrase slightly out of context Sen. McCain, our times have become the &quot;No lobbyist left behind&quot; era.

I will say it again: There will be no real remedy to all those ills until political campaigns are financed by the people.

I know it is a very unpopular idea in certain quarters. To that, I say that popularity bears little correlation to truth.

Ask yourself this simple question: Who will a politician work for?

My take? Like anyone else, politicians will work for those who pay them. I&#039;d rather pay and have them for me than some special interest group that does not give a heck about my well-being.

What say you?

Francois
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;allow me to point out that a total deferral for a full year nearly passed. After various lobbying efforts by groups like Financial Executives International, the seven-member FASB rejected such a proposal by a four-to-three vote.&#8221;</p>
<p>4 to 3 votes  is a strong indication of how screwed up our regulatory/political system has become.</p>
<p>To paraphrase slightly out of context Sen. McCain, our times have become the &#8220;No lobbyist left behind&#8221; era.</p>
<p>I will say it again: There will be no real remedy to all those ills until political campaigns are financed by the people.</p>
<p>I know it is a very unpopular idea in certain quarters. To that, I say that popularity bears little correlation to truth.</p>
<p>Ask yourself this simple question: Who will a politician work for?</p>
<p>My take? Like anyone else, politicians will work for those who pay them. I&#8217;d rather pay and have them for me than some special interest group that does not give a heck about my well-being.</p>
<p>What say you?</p>
<p>Francois</p>
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		<title>By: michael schumacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael schumacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>until you actually assign a real valuation to these (what i loosely call assets) then you can make all the changes you want and it will still have zero effect on what the Goldman&#039;s of the world do.

I love how the banks say that the assets are fully valued in Level 3.........(Homer Simpson moment)  D&#039;oh........

Ciao
MS
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>until you actually assign a real valuation to these (what i loosely call assets) then you can make all the changes you want and it will still have zero effect on what the Goldman&#8217;s of the world do.</p>
<p>I love how the banks say that the assets are fully valued in Level 3&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;(Homer Simpson moment)  D&#8217;oh&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
<p>Ciao<br />
MS</p>
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		<title>By: UrbanDigs</title>
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		<dc:creator>UrbanDigs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 13:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most large corporations already began adopting to this rule, so it is mostly a non event. Plus there were rumors that a portion of this rule would be delayed.

However, this does NOT solve the problem of valuations themselves! Only what assets are classified as tier 3, or untradable to the point that valuation is not true market value.

We still have a significant adjustment of the value of these assets to market valuations over model methods to come.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most large corporations already began adopting to this rule, so it is mostly a non event. Plus there were rumors that a portion of this rule would be delayed.</p>
<p>However, this does NOT solve the problem of valuations themselves! Only what assets are classified as tier 3, or untradable to the point that valuation is not true market value.</p>
<p>We still have a significant adjustment of the value of these assets to market valuations over model methods to come.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 13:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I understand it, all of the big brokers early adopted this rule, which is what led to the hierarchy of valuations. They must still utilize models for many instruments because this doesn&#039;t instantly create market prices for thinly traded products.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I understand it, all of the big brokers early adopted this rule, which is what led to the hierarchy of valuations. They must still utilize models for many instruments because this doesn&#8217;t instantly create market prices for thinly traded products.</p>
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		<title>By: Jas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 13:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The deferral or not of SFAS 157 is a non-event.  Most, if not all, financial firms have already early adopted the standard.  For example, for the most recent Merrill Lynch 10-Q:

&quot;We early adopted SFAS No. 157 in the first quarter of 2007.&quot;

From Citi:

&quot;The Company elected to early-adopt SFAS 157, “Fair Value Measurements” (SFAS 157), as of January 1, 2007.&quot;

In fact, I would like to know of a financial firm that has not early adopted.  157 is also where the distinction of level 3 assets and their required disclosure came from.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The deferral or not of SFAS 157 is a non-event.  Most, if not all, financial firms have already early adopted the standard.  For example, for the most recent Merrill Lynch 10-Q:</p>
<p>&#8220;We early adopted SFAS No. 157 in the first quarter of 2007.&#8221;</p>
<p>From Citi:</p>
<p>&#8220;The Company elected to early-adopt SFAS 157, “Fair Value Measurements” (SFAS 157), as of January 1, 2007.&#8221;</p>
<p>In fact, I would like to know of a financial firm that has not early adopted.  157 is also where the distinction of level 3 assets and their required disclosure came from.</p>
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