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	<title>Comments on: Fed: No Discount Window for FNM, FRE</title>
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		<title>By: a guy called john</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/07/fed-no-discount-window-for-fnm-fre/comment-page-1/#comment-95437</link>
		<dc:creator>a guy called john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 12:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Japanese Monetary Policy: A Case of Self-Induced Paralysis?
December 1999
http://www.princeton.edu/svensson/und/522/Readings/Bernanke.pdf


How to Get Out of a Liquidity Trap
- Commitment to zero rates—-with an inflation target
- Depreciation of the yen
- Money-financed transfers
- Nonstandard open-market operations

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Japanese Monetary Policy: A Case of Self-Induced Paralysis?<br />
December 1999<br />
<a href="http://www.princeton.edu/svensson/und/522/Readings/Bernanke.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.princeton.edu/svensson/und/522/Readings/Bernanke.pdf</a></p>
<p>How to Get Out of a Liquidity Trap<br />
- Commitment to zero rates—-with an inflation target<br />
- Depreciation of the yen<br />
- Money-financed transfers<br />
- Nonstandard open-market operations</p>
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		<title>By: ter</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/07/fed-no-discount-window-for-fnm-fre/comment-page-1/#comment-95436</link>
		<dc:creator>ter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 04:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>original Reuters post of rumor re GSEs access to Fed lending was well before the close and  before Marketwatch reported it. Look aT the charts: it turned  market up from nearly 250 points down, under 11,000, preventing further   decline.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>original Reuters post of rumor re GSEs access to Fed lending was well before the close and  before Marketwatch reported it. Look aT the charts: it turned  market up from nearly 250 points down, under 11,000, preventing further   decline.</p>
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		<title>By: ter</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/07/fed-no-discount-window-for-fnm-fre/comment-page-1/#comment-95435</link>
		<dc:creator>ter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 04:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>original Reuters post of rumor re GSEs access to Fed lending was well before the close and  before Marketwatch reported it. Look aT the charts: it turned  market up from nearly 250 points down, under 11,000, preventing further   decline.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>original Reuters post of rumor re GSEs access to Fed lending was well before the close and  before Marketwatch reported it. Look aT the charts: it turned  market up from nearly 250 points down, under 11,000, preventing further   decline.</p>
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		<title>By: Nihilism</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/07/fed-no-discount-window-for-fnm-fre/comment-page-1/#comment-95434</link>
		<dc:creator>Nihilism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 00:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Breaking News!

Henry Paulson, the U.S. Treasury secretary, is planning a $15 billion capital injection into U.S. mortgage companies Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the Times of London reported, without citing anyone.

The plan is ``high&#039;&#039; on the list of solutions to the nation&#039;s mortgage crisis, the newspaper said. In exchange for the capital, the U.S. government would get a new class of shares, the newspaper reported, citing no one.

Paulson&#039;s plan also would allow the two mortgage companies to use the Federal Reserve&#039;s discount window so they can borrow from the central bank, the Times reported.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&amp;sid=adGvdKB7NpAg&amp;refer=home
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Breaking News!</p>
<p>Henry Paulson, the U.S. Treasury secretary, is planning a $15 billion capital injection into U.S. mortgage companies Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the Times of London reported, without citing anyone.</p>
<p>The plan is &#8220;high&#8221; on the list of solutions to the nation&#8217;s mortgage crisis, the newspaper said. In exchange for the capital, the U.S. government would get a new class of shares, the newspaper reported, citing no one.</p>
<p>Paulson&#8217;s plan also would allow the two mortgage companies to use the Federal Reserve&#8217;s discount window so they can borrow from the central bank, the Times reported.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&#038;sid=adGvdKB7NpAg&#038;refer=home" rel="nofollow">http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&#038;sid=adGvdKB7NpAg&#038;refer=home</a></p>
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		<title>By: VJ</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/07/fed-no-discount-window-for-fnm-fre/comment-page-1/#comment-95433</link>
		<dc:creator>VJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 23:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doncha just love all these &quot;get the government off my back&quot;, &quot;pull yourself up by your own bootstraps&quot;, &quot;free enterprise&quot;, &quot;pro-deregulation&quot;, types lining up at the Fed Discount Window with their hands out ?

That &quot;Welfare State&quot; they repeatedly complain about is for the Rich &amp; Corporate.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doncha just love all these &#8220;get the government off my back&#8221;, &#8220;pull yourself up by your own bootstraps&#8221;, &#8220;free enterprise&#8221;, &#8220;pro-deregulation&#8221;, types lining up at the Fed Discount Window with their hands out ?</p>
<p>That &#8220;Welfare State&#8221; they repeatedly complain about is for the Rich &#038; Corporate.<br />
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		<title>By: brion</title>
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		<dc:creator>brion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 21:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>put me down in the &quot;trial balloon&quot; camp...
Treasuries/dollar **** themselves and so right now the Boyz are going: &quot;****, back to the drawing board..&quot;

Over at Minyanville, they&#039;re speculating that Freddie and Fannie will be placed into conservatorship and  wound down , expecting that the US mortgage market will move quickly to the covered bond format that is common to the Europe mortgage market.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>put me down in the &#8220;trial balloon&#8221; camp&#8230;<br />
Treasuries/dollar **** themselves and so right now the Boyz are going: &#8220;****, back to the drawing board..&#8221;</p>
<p>Over at Minyanville, they&#8217;re speculating that Freddie and Fannie will be placed into conservatorship and  wound down , expecting that the US mortgage market will move quickly to the covered bond format that is common to the Europe mortgage market.</p>
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		<title>By: 220</title>
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		<dc:creator>220</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 21:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Take a look at the loan performance of the IndyMac portfolio - you know those allegedly &quot;toxic&quot; ALT-A loans ...

From their Q1 2008 (3/31/08) reports - they show a little over 6% 30+ day default rate and a 2.24% foreclosure rate - almost exactly what the Mtg Bankers Assoc numbers show as industry averages

They show losses of 12 basis points on the portfolio (0.12%) but note they projected (built in) 150 basis points in losses (1.5% of the portfolio ... they go on however to note they have credit enhancements (essentially insurance) in place for up to 750 basis points loss (7.5%)

IndyMac notes they have appx $6 billion in loans (with 90% rated AAA) - a 7.5% loss rate would mean they can lose $450 million and be within their loss coverage - their actual losses were 0.12% or appx $7.2 million

And their loans in this protfolio were typically seasoned appx 28 months - so statistically the majority of defaults should have already occured - which is shown by the declining default rates

Their default rate increased 82% from Q3 to Q4 2007, and increased 39% from Q4 2007 to Q1 2008 - they project   default growth rate to continue to decline to 21% in the second quarter to 6% in the third and basically be flat in the fourth

The reality sure seems to be as with most of the industry - that the underlying loan portfolio was performing - with almost 98% NOT in foreclosure and 94% fully performing and paying as agreed

Yet because of primarily accounting rules - causing paper lossess - they are now out of business - non-FDIC insured depositors will lose appx $1 billion, shareholders will lose everything, thoudands will lose their jobs and the taxpayers will lose an estimated $4+ billion ....



http://seekingalpha.com/article/76942-indymac-bancorp-inc-q1-2008-earnings-call-transcript
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Take a look at the loan performance of the IndyMac portfolio &#8211; you know those allegedly &#8220;toxic&#8221; ALT-A loans &#8230;</p>
<p>From their Q1 2008 (3/31/08) reports &#8211; they show a little over 6% 30+ day default rate and a 2.24% foreclosure rate &#8211; almost exactly what the Mtg Bankers Assoc numbers show as industry averages</p>
<p>They show losses of 12 basis points on the portfolio (0.12%) but note they projected (built in) 150 basis points in losses (1.5% of the portfolio &#8230; they go on however to note they have credit enhancements (essentially insurance) in place for up to 750 basis points loss (7.5%)</p>
<p>IndyMac notes they have appx $6 billion in loans (with 90% rated AAA) &#8211; a 7.5% loss rate would mean they can lose $450 million and be within their loss coverage &#8211; their actual losses were 0.12% or appx $7.2 million</p>
<p>And their loans in this protfolio were typically seasoned appx 28 months &#8211; so statistically the majority of defaults should have already occured &#8211; which is shown by the declining default rates</p>
<p>Their default rate increased 82% from Q3 to Q4 2007, and increased 39% from Q4 2007 to Q1 2008 &#8211; they project   default growth rate to continue to decline to 21% in the second quarter to 6% in the third and basically be flat in the fourth</p>
<p>The reality sure seems to be as with most of the industry &#8211; that the underlying loan portfolio was performing &#8211; with almost 98% NOT in foreclosure and 94% fully performing and paying as agreed</p>
<p>Yet because of primarily accounting rules &#8211; causing paper lossess &#8211; they are now out of business &#8211; non-FDIC insured depositors will lose appx $1 billion, shareholders will lose everything, thoudands will lose their jobs and the taxpayers will lose an estimated $4+ billion &#8230;.</p>
<p><a href="http://seekingalpha.com/article/76942-indymac-bancorp-inc-q1-2008-earnings-call-transcript" rel="nofollow">http://seekingalpha.com/article/76942-indymac-bancorp-inc-q1-2008-earnings-call-transcript</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sidney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sidney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 20:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe it wasn&#039;t a rumor (It would be a pretty detailed rumor, and Reuters would be making this up?)maybe the TRUTH was spiked for other reasons. See this analysis:

http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2008/07/is-treasury-secretary-paulson-trying-to.html
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe it wasn&#8217;t a rumor (It would be a pretty detailed rumor, and Reuters would be making this up?)maybe the TRUTH was spiked for other reasons. See this analysis:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2008/07/is-treasury-secretary-paulson-trying-to.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2008/07/is-treasury-secretary-paulson-trying-to.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: michael schumacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael schumacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 20:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it a coincidence that the rumor was floated
exactly 15 minutes after the close of the oil market??

Not a chance..

I await with much giddiness what &quot;happy news&quot; is in store for us at about 4pm PST before the japanese continue it&#039;s race to the bottom.

Ciao
MS
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it a coincidence that the rumor was floated<br />
exactly 15 minutes after the close of the oil market??</p>
<p>Not a chance..</p>
<p>I await with much giddiness what &#8220;happy news&#8221; is in store for us at about 4pm PST before the japanese continue it&#8217;s race to the bottom.</p>
<p>Ciao<br />
MS</p>
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		<title>By: DL</title>
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		<dc:creator>DL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 17:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don’t see why the government can’t just insure a portion of the face value of the Fannie/Freddie bonds (perhaps 80% or so);  if this were then coupled with a three-year moratorium on the issuance of new debt, very few people would lose much money, and the taxpayers wouldn’t be left holding the bag.      (I would assume, however, that this would mean somewhat higher mortgage rates going forward).
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t see why the government can’t just insure a portion of the face value of the Fannie/Freddie bonds (perhaps 80% or so);  if this were then coupled with a three-year moratorium on the issuance of new debt, very few people would lose much money, and the taxpayers wouldn’t be left holding the bag.      (I would assume, however, that this would mean somewhat higher mortgage rates going forward).</p>
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