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		<title>By: Mark E Hoffer</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/08/chinas-view-of-us-subprime-issues/comment-page-1/#comment-100566</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark E Hoffer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 01:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; ...In Hemingway&#039;s story, at the end the &#039;Old Man&#039; (Uncle Sam) cut the US Economy carcass loose from the Ship of State, and let the vampiresharks have it....so an apt cartoon.

Posted by: Apt Snook &#124; Aug 13, 2008 5:35:35 PM

as a reference to how spot-on that take is:

&quot; ...In all, this classic deserves it&#039;s praise as one of Hemingway&#039;s finest works. It is a model in the structure and power of simplicity in language, the depth of characters without extended use of dialogue, and above all, a very enjoyable read. If you haven&#039;t read this novella, pick it up today. If you have read it, it might be time to re-visit the small skiff, the old man, and the grand noble marlin in their journey through the waves and remember simple storytelling at it&#039;s best.&quot;
Title: The Old Man and the Sea
Author: Ernest Hemingway


by Jeremiah Gould
http://www.thewrit.org/reviews/hemingway_oldman.htm

BR can you (who does?) broker prints of this for framing?



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; &#8230;In Hemingway&#8217;s story, at the end the &#8216;Old Man&#8217; (Uncle Sam) cut the US Economy carcass loose from the Ship of State, and let the vampiresharks have it&#8230;.so an apt cartoon.</p>
<p>Posted by: Apt Snook | Aug 13, 2008 5:35:35 PM</p>
<p>as a reference to how spot-on that take is:</p>
<p>&#8221; &#8230;In all, this classic deserves it&#8217;s praise as one of Hemingway&#8217;s finest works. It is a model in the structure and power of simplicity in language, the depth of characters without extended use of dialogue, and above all, a very enjoyable read. If you haven&#8217;t read this novella, pick it up today. If you have read it, it might be time to re-visit the small skiff, the old man, and the grand noble marlin in their journey through the waves and remember simple storytelling at it&#8217;s best.&#8221;<br />
Title: The Old Man and the Sea<br />
Author: Ernest Hemingway</p>
<p>by Jeremiah Gould<br />
<a href="http://www.thewrit.org/reviews/hemingway_oldman.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.thewrit.org/reviews/hemingway_oldman.htm</a></p>
<p>BR can you (who does?) broker prints of this for framing?</p>
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		<title>By: J in LA</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/08/chinas-view-of-us-subprime-issues/comment-page-1/#comment-100565</link>
		<dc:creator>J in LA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 01:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why does it stand out like a sore thumb?  Keep in mind that for all its recent growth and advancement, China is still largely a third world country.  Most third world countries have no social safety nets.  The elderly must either save enough for retirement or live with their children.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does it stand out like a sore thumb?  Keep in mind that for all its recent growth and advancement, China is still largely a third world country.  Most third world countries have no social safety nets.  The elderly must either save enough for retirement or live with their children.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike in NOLa</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/08/chinas-view-of-us-subprime-issues/comment-page-1/#comment-100564</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike in NOLa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 00:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m don&#039;t know if this link got posted here, but there was an interesting article in the WaPo about some of the serious problems China faces despite its rapid growth, including the unintended consequences of the one child per couple rule:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/25/AR2008072502255.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;A Long Wait at the Gate to Greatness&lt;/a&gt;

Did anyone else see &quot;China Prep&quot; on PBS? It ran here last night with Aaron Brown as the narrator. Wondered what had happened to him. Followed some top high school students about to take their university entrance exams which will largely determine their futures. Stood out like a sore thumb that each of the non-rich students mentioned that their parents were spending everything on their education and that they were expected to support their parents once they make the big time since there is no social security and almost no one has a pension. And these were the ones with a bright future, probably a small minority.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m don&#8217;t know if this link got posted here, but there was an interesting article in the WaPo about some of the serious problems China faces despite its rapid growth, including the unintended consequences of the one child per couple rule:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/25/AR2008072502255.html" rel="nofollow">A Long Wait at the Gate to Greatness</a></p>
<p>Did anyone else see &#8220;China Prep&#8221; on PBS? It ran here last night with Aaron Brown as the narrator. Wondered what had happened to him. Followed some top high school students about to take their university entrance exams which will largely determine their futures. Stood out like a sore thumb that each of the non-rich students mentioned that their parents were spending everything on their education and that they were expected to support their parents once they make the big time since there is no social security and almost no one has a pension. And these were the ones with a bright future, probably a small minority.</p>
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		<title>By: CNBC Sucks</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/08/chinas-view-of-us-subprime-issues/comment-page-1/#comment-100563</link>
		<dc:creator>CNBC Sucks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 00:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mich, thanks I did notice that on another thread.  You guys and gals are remarkable.

Careful not to go off-topic here, but did anyone else catch Ron Insana getting a job as MD at SAC?  http://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/08/13/from-cnbc-to-sac-with-bumps-along-the-way/

I left a comment criticizing (ridiculing?) Insana&#039;s decoupling / deflation rubbish on CNBC, but I don&#039;t know if the NYT mods will allow it.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mich, thanks I did notice that on another thread.  You guys and gals are remarkable.</p>
<p>Careful not to go off-topic here, but did anyone else catch Ron Insana getting a job as MD at SAC?  <a href="http://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/08/13/from-cnbc-to-sac-with-bumps-along-the-way/" rel="nofollow">http://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/08/13/from-cnbc-to-sac-with-bumps-along-the-way/</a></p>
<p>I left a comment criticizing (ridiculing?) Insana&#8217;s decoupling / deflation rubbish on CNBC, but I don&#8217;t know if the NYT mods will allow it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike in NOLa</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/08/chinas-view-of-us-subprime-issues/comment-page-1/#comment-100562</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike in NOLa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even Bloomberg Asia now discussing the 16 year old gymnists with baby teeth.

Bloomberg hosts need to watch the open mics. Just had Bloomberg Asia running and that sorta crazy younger oriental guy&#039;s voice came through saying something to the effect: &quot;H____ sh_t, this place is a f___ing abortion.&quot; Pretty weird.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even Bloomberg Asia now discussing the 16 year old gymnists with baby teeth.</p>
<p>Bloomberg hosts need to watch the open mics. Just had Bloomberg Asia running and that sorta crazy younger oriental guy&#8217;s voice came through saying something to the effect: &#8220;H____ sh_t, this place is a f___ing abortion.&#8221; Pretty weird.</p>
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		<title>By: patfla</title>
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		<dc:creator>patfla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; healthy global economies that were
&gt; not badly stung by USA toxic debt

Yes.  But if global consumption (the US and Europe) implodes.  Or even simply withers at the margins, I think your list of countries shrinks to zero.

I lived 6 yrs in Japan (and speak Japanese) - and worked in the finance industry.  My wife is Chinese from Malaysia (and I learned some Mandarin).

I don&#039;t see that the E Asia has, as yet, figured out how to transition from export driven economies to standalone. And clearly it&#039;s a difficult issue - no one has every done it before.  The Europe and Am economies bootstrapped themselves from tabula rasa (as it were).  Oh yes - I&#039;m sorry.  They grew as they did by fcking the rest of the world.  Except how does something like Newtonian dynamics figure into that equation (heh)?  Well they both figure in, except none of that shows a way forward for either the E Asians or any of the other developing nations.

Again, Chinese consumption is 30% of GDP.  This is more shocking on the downside than that US consumption is &gt; 70%.  Other countries (the usual suspects, such as the UK) are also over 70%.  And every advanced, industrialized economy is over 60%.  Look it up.

So who&#039;s the outlier?  And where&#039;s the demand to come from that keep this list of zero chugging along?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>> healthy global economies that were<br />
> not badly stung by USA toxic debt</p>
<p>Yes.  But if global consumption (the US and Europe) implodes.  Or even simply withers at the margins, I think your list of countries shrinks to zero.</p>
<p>I lived 6 yrs in Japan (and speak Japanese) &#8211; and worked in the finance industry.  My wife is Chinese from Malaysia (and I learned some Mandarin).</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see that the E Asia has, as yet, figured out how to transition from export driven economies to standalone. And clearly it&#8217;s a difficult issue &#8211; no one has every done it before.  The Europe and Am economies bootstrapped themselves from tabula rasa (as it were).  Oh yes &#8211; I&#8217;m sorry.  They grew as they did by fcking the rest of the world.  Except how does something like Newtonian dynamics figure into that equation (heh)?  Well they both figure in, except none of that shows a way forward for either the E Asians or any of the other developing nations.</p>
<p>Again, Chinese consumption is 30% of GDP.  This is more shocking on the downside than that US consumption is > 70%.  Other countries (the usual suspects, such as the UK) are also over 70%.  And every advanced, industrialized economy is over 60%.  Look it up.</p>
<p>So who&#8217;s the outlier?  And where&#8217;s the demand to come from that keep this list of zero chugging along?</p>
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		<title>By: Mich(^IXIC1881)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mich(^IXIC1881)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for China and olympics, I did not say &quot;hs, we&#039;re in trouble&quot;, what I am seeing is China is mostly fake.

They fake electronics (sony, sanyo, etc.)
They fake dvds, cds
They fake cars
They fake Olympics opening fireworks
They fake singers (1 girl lip-synching for another)
They fake gymnasts (that girl is 16? please!)


It all seems a big shiny wrapping with not much inside.

On the other hand, US has its own problems for sure. Greed, corruption, etc.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for China and olympics, I did not say &#8220;hs, we&#8217;re in trouble&#8221;, what I am seeing is China is mostly fake.</p>
<p>They fake electronics (sony, sanyo, etc.)<br />
They fake dvds, cds<br />
They fake cars<br />
They fake Olympics opening fireworks<br />
They fake singers (1 girl lip-synching for another)<br />
They fake gymnasts (that girl is 16? please!)</p>
<p>It all seems a big shiny wrapping with not much inside.</p>
<p>On the other hand, US has its own problems for sure. Greed, corruption, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: patfla</title>
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		<dc:creator>patfla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This business one hears about the world economy simply returning to the old order of things seems to overlook a few important details.

The older order of things included only Eurasia.  The big new factor that missing is the Americas.  Where there are now a billion people and 4 $1+ trillion economies (out of what: 13 all told?).

Not to mention a disproportionately very high endowment of fundamental natural resources.  Say, fresh water.

I don&#039;t see that there&#039;s an old order to return to.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This business one hears about the world economy simply returning to the old order of things seems to overlook a few important details.</p>
<p>The older order of things included only Eurasia.  The big new factor that missing is the Americas.  Where there are now a billion people and 4 $1+ trillion economies (out of what: 13 all told?).</p>
<p>Not to mention a disproportionately very high endowment of fundamental natural resources.  Say, fresh water.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see that there&#8217;s an old order to return to.</p>
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		<title>By: Mich(^IXIC1881)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mich(^IXIC1881)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CNBCsucks,
What I&#039;ve noticed here is, you&#039;re expected to ignore those messages to starve the trolls.  I believe one of the reasons there are meaningful discussions is because people here are very good at ignoring ignorant messages.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CNBCsucks,<br />
What I&#8217;ve noticed here is, you&#8217;re expected to ignore those messages to starve the trolls.  I believe one of the reasons there are meaningful discussions is because people here are very good at ignoring ignorant messages.</p>
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		<title>By: bsneath</title>
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		<dc:creator>bsneath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:24:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did anyone else watch the opening ceremonies and think &quot;holy shiat, we are in trouble&quot;?

There is nothing racist about recognizing that China is a nation of 1.3 billion motivated, disciplined and hungry (for success) individuals while we have bocme a nation of affluent slackers.

The Chinese Govt has worked the undervalued currency/export model to perfection and they were smart enough not to get suckered into the USA toxic-mortgage debt game.

While central control will not benefit their economy once it matures, it is very helpful at the moment.  If exports slide and job creation is at risk, we will see aggressive interest rate cutting, reserve ratio declines, and domestic consumption incentives.

The USA cannot pull the global economy out this time because of our indebtedness and need to save.

It will be the healthy global economies that were not badly stung by USA toxic debt that will have to lead the way - whether they are aware of this today or not.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did anyone else watch the opening ceremonies and think &#8220;holy shiat, we are in trouble&#8221;?</p>
<p>There is nothing racist about recognizing that China is a nation of 1.3 billion motivated, disciplined and hungry (for success) individuals while we have bocme a nation of affluent slackers.</p>
<p>The Chinese Govt has worked the undervalued currency/export model to perfection and they were smart enough not to get suckered into the USA toxic-mortgage debt game.</p>
<p>While central control will not benefit their economy once it matures, it is very helpful at the moment.  If exports slide and job creation is at risk, we will see aggressive interest rate cutting, reserve ratio declines, and domestic consumption incentives.</p>
<p>The USA cannot pull the global economy out this time because of our indebtedness and need to save.</p>
<p>It will be the healthy global economies that were not badly stung by USA toxic debt that will have to lead the way &#8211; whether they are aware of this today or not.</p>
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