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		<title>By: bdg123</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/08/gdp-lowest-inflation-rate-in-5-years/comment-page-1/#comment-103101</link>
		<dc:creator>bdg123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 15:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am getting my numbers from government statistics.  Just not the ones that you understand.  I didn&#039;t say the U.S. GDP was $35 trillion.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am getting my numbers from government statistics.  Just not the ones that you understand.  I didn&#8217;t say the U.S. GDP was $35 trillion.</p>
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		<title>By: Francois</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/08/gdp-lowest-inflation-rate-in-5-years/comment-page-1/#comment-103100</link>
		<dc:creator>Francois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 06:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;To compensate for the ridiculous impact high imported oil prices have -- artificially suppressing inflation -- we should also include as part of our measure of domestic production the value of goods produced overseas?&quot;

While were at it, can someone explain to this humble non-economist why is it that as food and energy get stripped from the &quot;core&quot; inflation (because it is sooo volatile, boohoo!) oil prices get factored in the GDP defla/infla-whatever?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;To compensate for the ridiculous impact high imported oil prices have &#8212; artificially suppressing inflation &#8212; we should also include as part of our measure of domestic production the value of goods produced overseas?&#8221;</p>
<p>While were at it, can someone explain to this humble non-economist why is it that as food and energy get stripped from the &#8220;core&#8221; inflation (because it is sooo volatile, boohoo!) oil prices get factored in the GDP defla/infla-whatever?</p>
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		<title>By: The Big Picture</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/08/gdp-lowest-inflation-rate-in-5-years/comment-page-1/#comment-103102</link>
		<dc:creator>The Big Picture</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 10:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;GDP Deflator Inflator !&lt;/strong&gt;

Final word on this subject (for now). As previously noted, we are no longer calling the GDP Deflator by that misleading name; untill such time as the BLS models more accurately reflect reality, it shall be known as the GD Inflator. Here is a visual dep...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>GDP Deflator Inflator !</strong></p>
<p>Final word on this subject (for now). As previously noted, we are no longer calling the GDP Deflator by that misleading name; untill such time as the BLS models more accurately reflect reality, it shall be known as the GD Inflator. Here is a visual dep&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/08/gdp-lowest-inflation-rate-in-5-years/comment-page-1/#comment-103099</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 13:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BR -

I imagine Wesbury is a nice guy, judging from his CNBC appearances.

I’m sorry, but he’s not making an argument to redefine GDP as you claim. If you read closely, you will see he explicitly did not do that. He only made the necessary adjustment to GDP that would be required in order to use a CPI type measure as the deflator with any sort of logical result.

And removing imported oil prices is not “an artificial suppression of inflation” if you’re trying to measure GDP inflation.

It’s not a question of being fooled. It’s a matter of understanding what he said.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BR -</p>
<p>I imagine Wesbury is a nice guy, judging from his CNBC appearances.</p>
<p>I’m sorry, but he’s not making an argument to redefine GDP as you claim. If you read closely, you will see he explicitly did not do that. He only made the necessary adjustment to GDP that would be required in order to use a CPI type measure as the deflator with any sort of logical result.</p>
<p>And removing imported oil prices is not “an artificial suppression of inflation” if you’re trying to measure GDP inflation.</p>
<p>It’s not a question of being fooled. It’s a matter of understanding what he said.</p>
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		<title>By: cm</title>
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		<dc:creator>cm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 04:21:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>m3 (and bdg123): I was merely disputing the statement that the US &quot;doesn&#039;t produce anything&quot;.

Aside from that, most economies are heavy in services, and valuing services is notoriously difficult as there is no physical manufacture that is readily counted. The more &quot;developed&quot; a society and the more price leverage the service sector gets, the larger its share of the overall economy. Furthermore, with less centralized control of the economy, economic relationships become more intermediated, creating the appearance (and arguably reality) of more transactions between different entities that were previously internal transactions (e.g. in a vertically integrated company).

Having said that, everything left and right is being outsourced and offshored from &quot;Western&quot; nations, and the acclaim of &quot;actual work&quot; is ever declining in favor of &quot;making an easy buck&quot; (in part by taking middleman positions masquerading as a &quot;service&quot;).
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>m3 (and bdg123): I was merely disputing the statement that the US &#8220;doesn&#8217;t produce anything&#8221;.</p>
<p>Aside from that, most economies are heavy in services, and valuing services is notoriously difficult as there is no physical manufacture that is readily counted. The more &#8220;developed&#8221; a society and the more price leverage the service sector gets, the larger its share of the overall economy. Furthermore, with less centralized control of the economy, economic relationships become more intermediated, creating the appearance (and arguably reality) of more transactions between different entities that were previously internal transactions (e.g. in a vertically integrated company).</p>
<p>Having said that, everything left and right is being outsourced and offshored from &#8220;Western&#8221; nations, and the acclaim of &#8220;actual work&#8221; is ever declining in favor of &#8220;making an easy buck&#8221; (in part by taking middleman positions masquerading as a &#8220;service&#8221;).</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Kline</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/08/gdp-lowest-inflation-rate-in-5-years/comment-page-1/#comment-103097</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Kline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 04:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Call it the GOP Escalator and we&#039;ll be face to face with the &#039;underhanded indicator&#039; here.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Call it the GOP Escalator and we&#8217;ll be face to face with the &#8216;underhanded indicator&#8217; here.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 03:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is only one US dollar. There is not a separate dollar for exporters, importers and domestic industry. Once you define what you mean by &quot;inflation&quot;, you should get only one number, which somehow represents how the buying power of those US dollars has changed.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is only one US dollar. There is not a separate dollar for exporters, importers and domestic industry. Once you define what you mean by &#8220;inflation&#8221;, you should get only one number, which somehow represents how the buying power of those US dollars has changed.</p>
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		<title>By: m3</title>
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		<dc:creator>m3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 03:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bdg123-

we must be talking about 2 completely different things. i have no idea where you are getting your numbers from, but the american economy can&#039;t be $35 trillion; GDP for the entire planet is only $65 trillion.

US &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/print/us.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;GDP&lt;/a&gt; is less than $14 trillion.

further, the dominant sectors you speak of are &lt;a href=&quot;http://usinfo.state.gov/products/pubs/economy-in-brief/page3.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;weak&lt;/a&gt; as a percentage of GDP:

&lt;i&gt;&quot;Production of goods accounted for 19.8 percent of GDP: manufacturing—such as computers, autos, aircraft, machinery—12.1 percent; construction, 4.9 percent; oil and gas drilling and other mining, 1.9 percent; agriculture, less than 1 percent.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;
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<p>we must be talking about 2 completely different things. i have no idea where you are getting your numbers from, but the american economy can&#8217;t be $35 trillion; GDP for the entire planet is only $65 trillion.</p>
<p>US <a href="https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/print/us.html" rel="nofollow">GDP</a> is less than $14 trillion.</p>
<p>further, the dominant sectors you speak of are <a href="http://usinfo.state.gov/products/pubs/economy-in-brief/page3.html" rel="nofollow">weak</a> as a percentage of GDP:</p>
<p><i>&#8220;Production of goods accounted for 19.8 percent of GDP: manufacturing—such as computers, autos, aircraft, machinery—12.1 percent; construction, 4.9 percent; oil and gas drilling and other mining, 1.9 percent; agriculture, less than 1 percent.&#8221;</i></p>
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		<title>By: evening shade</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/08/gdp-lowest-inflation-rate-in-5-years/comment-page-1/#comment-103094</link>
		<dc:creator>evening shade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 20:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My first reaction to the GDP number is to run as fast as I could to a PC and put in a short order for 500 shares of AAPL.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My first reaction to the GDP number is to run as fast as I could to a PC and put in a short order for 500 shares of AAPL.</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 20:16:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>anon, I don&#039;t disagree with what your last reply as it makes perfect sense that CPI measured inflation (as understated as it is) has to be alot higher given the amount we import of foreign generated inflation, a reflection of a much faster expansion of aggregate money supply in other countries.  The amount of recycling into our treasuries alone is evidence of this.  I think the debate is more centered on whether 1.2% an accurate reflection of domestically produced inflation.   In my books, not possible.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anon, I don&#8217;t disagree with what your last reply as it makes perfect sense that CPI measured inflation (as understated as it is) has to be alot higher given the amount we import of foreign generated inflation, a reflection of a much faster expansion of aggregate money supply in other countries.  The amount of recycling into our treasuries alone is evidence of this.  I think the debate is more centered on whether 1.2% an accurate reflection of domestically produced inflation.   In my books, not possible.</p>
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