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		<title>By: Andruo</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/10/bank-dividends/comment-page-2/#comment-123678</link>
		<dc:creator>Andruo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 07:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not only are preferred dividends allowed, but the Treasury preferred is pari passu with most existing classes. Maybe the next round of recapitalization will change this, maybe not. Until then, it looks like if they get paid, you get paid.

http://www.ustreas.gov/press/releases/reports/document5hp1207.pdf
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not only are preferred dividends allowed, but the Treasury preferred is pari passu with most existing classes. Maybe the next round of recapitalization will change this, maybe not. Until then, it looks like if they get paid, you get paid.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ustreas.gov/press/releases/reports/document5hp1207.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.ustreas.gov/press/releases/reports/document5hp1207.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Groty</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/10/bank-dividends/comment-page-2/#comment-120366</link>
		<dc:creator>Groty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 20:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe your reading of the term sheet is correct.  But I doubt the term sheet refects the deal.

As you know, deal terms often change during the negotiating process and during the time the transctions documents are being drafted, proofed, redrafted, etc.  The final executed transaction document terms will often differ from those of the term sheet.

I find it hard to believe the Treasury would charcterize the treatment of common dividends one way with reporters when in fact a totally different deal was structured.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe your reading of the term sheet is correct.  But I doubt the term sheet refects the deal.</p>
<p>As you know, deal terms often change during the negotiating process and during the time the transctions documents are being drafted, proofed, redrafted, etc.  The final executed transaction document terms will often differ from those of the term sheet.</p>
<p>I find it hard to believe the Treasury would charcterize the treatment of common dividends one way with reporters when in fact a totally different deal was structured.</p>
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		<title>By: bill</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/10/bank-dividends/comment-page-2/#comment-120365</link>
		<dc:creator>bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 18:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Both you and Chris are dead wrong.  There is nothing in what you quoted that says that banks may not pay dividends &quot;until the money is paid back&quot;.  Dividends on preferred stock will continue.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Both you and Chris are dead wrong.  There is nothing in what you quoted that says that banks may not pay dividends &#8220;until the money is paid back&#8221;.  Dividends on preferred stock will continue.</p>
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		<title>By: pft</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/10/bank-dividends/comment-page-2/#comment-120364</link>
		<dc:creator>pft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 23:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Must have been too much wine at that dinner

As long as the QFI has outstanding preferred stock it can not pay dividends.  Once they have sold off all preferred stock issued, dividends may be paid at current levels (5% for preferred stock).  If agreed by the TS, then dividends may be increased on common stock.

So the only way dividends can not be paid is if the QFI is unable to sell all of the preferred stock that was issued.  Unless there is a conspiracy to make sure there is outstanding preferred stock, then dividends get paid.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Must have been too much wine at that dinner</p>
<p>As long as the QFI has outstanding preferred stock it can not pay dividends.  Once they have sold off all preferred stock issued, dividends may be paid at current levels (5% for preferred stock).  If agreed by the TS, then dividends may be increased on common stock.</p>
<p>So the only way dividends can not be paid is if the QFI is unable to sell all of the preferred stock that was issued.  Unless there is a conspiracy to make sure there is outstanding preferred stock, then dividends get paid.</p>
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		<title>By: Maggie Knowles</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/10/bank-dividends/comment-page-2/#comment-120363</link>
		<dc:creator>Maggie Knowles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 19:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The video you posted
http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/2008/10/volcker-rebuild.html
or
http://tinyurl.com/6xpu79
&quot;Volcker: Rebuild U.S. Banks From &#039;Ground Up&#039;&quot;

The third guy speaking, says that dividends are being paid by bailed out banks in the U.S. (but not in England).
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The video you posted<br />
<a href="http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/2008/10/volcker-rebuild.html" rel="nofollow">http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/2008/10/volcker-rebuild.html</a><br />
or<br />
<a href="http://tinyurl.com/6xpu79" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/6xpu79</a><br />
&#8220;Volcker: Rebuild U.S. Banks From &#8216;Ground Up&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p>The third guy speaking, says that dividends are being paid by bailed out banks in the U.S. (but not in England).</p>
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		<title>By: thinman</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/10/bank-dividends/comment-page-1/#comment-120362</link>
		<dc:creator>thinman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 17:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s something that&#039;s really unknown by most people...

Did you know that Goldman Sachs has already accrued over $13 BILLION for compensation for its employees through the first 3 quarters?  And Morgan Stanley has accrued $10.7 BILLION?  For Goldman, that comes out to over $420K per employee for only 3 quarters...including secretaries, maintenance people and the cafeteria workers.

After creating the  biggest financial mess we have seen since 1929 (and possibly ever), these guys are still going to receive multi-million dollar PERFORMANCE bonuses, paid for by the taxpayers via bailout money, the Fed&#039;s purchase of toxic securities, and loan guarantees.  Now THIS is criminal.  Given the outsized response to Sarah Palin&#039;s $150,000 clothes purchase, don&#039;t you think that, upon hearing this, the public will finally have just had enough?

If you do nothing else, Barry, please pick up this little tidbit (I introduced it to CNN and they ran a story on it last night on The Situation Room at 6:30pm) and continue to push it until the banks relent and put a hold on bonuses until the taxpayer is made whole, and the companies are in NO danger of imploding!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s something that&#8217;s really unknown by most people&#8230;</p>
<p>Did you know that Goldman Sachs has already accrued over $13 BILLION for compensation for its employees through the first 3 quarters?  And Morgan Stanley has accrued $10.7 BILLION?  For Goldman, that comes out to over $420K per employee for only 3 quarters&#8230;including secretaries, maintenance people and the cafeteria workers.</p>
<p>After creating the  biggest financial mess we have seen since 1929 (and possibly ever), these guys are still going to receive multi-million dollar PERFORMANCE bonuses, paid for by the taxpayers via bailout money, the Fed&#8217;s purchase of toxic securities, and loan guarantees.  Now THIS is criminal.  Given the outsized response to Sarah Palin&#8217;s $150,000 clothes purchase, don&#8217;t you think that, upon hearing this, the public will finally have just had enough?</p>
<p>If you do nothing else, Barry, please pick up this little tidbit (I introduced it to CNN and they ran a story on it last night on The Situation Room at 6:30pm) and continue to push it until the banks relent and put a hold on bonuses until the taxpayer is made whole, and the companies are in NO danger of imploding!</p>
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		<title>By: ardano</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/10/bank-dividends/comment-page-1/#comment-120361</link>
		<dc:creator>ardano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 16:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahh...The four horsemen of the Apocolypse...I agree with those who have clarified what Whalen said re dividends.

Maybe he was extending his theory that the major banks would need more cash or be taken over a few quarters down the line...therefore his dividend call is predicated on economic events/impending portfolio losses and not something internal to current TARP regulation.

Barry, are you selling into the strength?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahh&#8230;The four horsemen of the Apocolypse&#8230;I agree with those who have clarified what Whalen said re dividends.</p>
<p>Maybe he was extending his theory that the major banks would need more cash or be taken over a few quarters down the line&#8230;therefore his dividend call is predicated on economic events/impending portfolio losses and not something internal to current TARP regulation.</p>
<p>Barry, are you selling into the strength?</p>
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		<title>By: Greg0658</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/10/bank-dividends/comment-page-1/#comment-120360</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg0658</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 16:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Clintons and WalMart* thought the world would prosper bringing Asia into the mix enslaving them. No-one likes to be enslaved we will discover. Capitalists have miscalculated BIG time. Bill and Hillary are in that camp. AR to NY to China.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Clintons and WalMart* thought the world would prosper bringing Asia into the mix enslaving them. No-one likes to be enslaved we will discover. Capitalists have miscalculated BIG time. Bill and Hillary are in that camp. AR to NY to China.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff M.</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/10/bank-dividends/comment-page-1/#comment-120359</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 16:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On an unrelated note - when is that glib d-bag Dennis Kneale going to get canned by CNBC?  How can they keep these assclowns on the air with their glib tone in this environment?  Can&#039;t believe that&#039;s going to play well with viewers as we slide into &#039;09.

That would prove to me once and for all there is a God.  Until then, the verdict&#039;s still out.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On an unrelated note &#8211; when is that glib d-bag Dennis Kneale going to get canned by CNBC?  How can they keep these assclowns on the air with their glib tone in this environment?  Can&#8217;t believe that&#8217;s going to play well with viewers as we slide into &#8217;09.</p>
<p>That would prove to me once and for all there is a God.  Until then, the verdict&#8217;s still out.</p>
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		<title>By: DANM</title>
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		<dc:creator>DANM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 16:21:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because everyone now is almost convinced of a L bottom over many years now I&#039;ll take the other side and call for early 09 recovery.

The low prices of energy and other commodities will create a new boom
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Just like everyone was sure housing was the best investment in 2003.

Too early to go against the crowd.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because everyone now is almost convinced of a L bottom over many years now I&#8217;ll take the other side and call for early 09 recovery.</p>
<p>The low prices of energy and other commodities will create a new boom<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
Just like everyone was sure housing was the best investment in 2003.</p>
<p>Too early to go against the crowd.</p>
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