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	<title>Comments on: Private Sector Loan Losses vs Fannie/Freddie</title>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/10/private-sector-loan-losses-vs-fanniefreddie/comment-page-2/#comment-120708</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 04:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is certainly silly to place blame on any single factor for the current situation because there are so many, some that have to do with government regulation, some that have to do with lack of government regulation, reckless lending and reckless borrowing, poor monetary policy, etc.  Doesn&#039;t lend itself to ideologues on any side.  That said, it is interesting to note that the homeownership rate in the US spiked dramatically after the CRA revision, from 64% in 1994 to nearly 70% in 2006.  Check the US Census Bureau for the data.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is certainly silly to place blame on any single factor for the current situation because there are so many, some that have to do with government regulation, some that have to do with lack of government regulation, reckless lending and reckless borrowing, poor monetary policy, etc.  Doesn&#8217;t lend itself to ideologues on any side.  That said, it is interesting to note that the homeownership rate in the US spiked dramatically after the CRA revision, from 64% in 1994 to nearly 70% in 2006.  Check the US Census Bureau for the data.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 20:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m afraid you miss the whole point.  Certainly private entities wanted to make these subprime loans, and they wanted to do so for selfish reasons (i.e., more profit), as you suggest.  But the simple fact is that, despite these desires, they COULDN&#039;T have made these loans, at least not in mass quantities, unless there was a secondary market for them (i.e., unless they could sell them to others, who in turn could sell them to others if they so desired).  Well, as luck would have it, buying loans that were originated by others in mass quantities was Fannie and Freddie&#039;s particular specialty.

And THAT&#039;S why these private entities were pressing Freddie and Fannie to start buying subprime loans.  After all, no private company would do it, at least not in mass quantities!

So, when Fannie and Freddie agreed to lower their standards (primarily for political reasons and certainly not as a matter of sound business practice) and started purchasing subprime loans in large amounts in the late 1990&#039;s, they almost single handedly created a secondary market for such loans.  The existence of this secondary market allowed allowed private banks and brokers to begin originating such loans in much larger quantities.  And, when certain private competitors like Lehman saw the enormous profits that Fannie and Freddie were realizing in the subprime market, they eventually stepped in and began to compete with Fannie and Freddie for this business, which expanded the secondary market even more, which in turn allowed even more such mortgages to be written.

So certainly the private sector bears some of the blame, but it all started with Fannie and Freddie&#039;s ill-conceived decision to create a secondary market for these securities.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m afraid you miss the whole point.  Certainly private entities wanted to make these subprime loans, and they wanted to do so for selfish reasons (i.e., more profit), as you suggest.  But the simple fact is that, despite these desires, they COULDN&#8217;T have made these loans, at least not in mass quantities, unless there was a secondary market for them (i.e., unless they could sell them to others, who in turn could sell them to others if they so desired).  Well, as luck would have it, buying loans that were originated by others in mass quantities was Fannie and Freddie&#8217;s particular specialty.</p>
<p>And THAT&#8217;S why these private entities were pressing Freddie and Fannie to start buying subprime loans.  After all, no private company would do it, at least not in mass quantities!</p>
<p>So, when Fannie and Freddie agreed to lower their standards (primarily for political reasons and certainly not as a matter of sound business practice) and started purchasing subprime loans in large amounts in the late 1990&#8242;s, they almost single handedly created a secondary market for such loans.  The existence of this secondary market allowed allowed private banks and brokers to begin originating such loans in much larger quantities.  And, when certain private competitors like Lehman saw the enormous profits that Fannie and Freddie were realizing in the subprime market, they eventually stepped in and began to compete with Fannie and Freddie for this business, which expanded the secondary market even more, which in turn allowed even more such mortgages to be written.</p>
<p>So certainly the private sector bears some of the blame, but it all started with Fannie and Freddie&#8217;s ill-conceived decision to create a secondary market for these securities.</p>
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		<title>By: HowieCarr</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/10/private-sector-loan-losses-vs-fanniefreddie/comment-page-2/#comment-120706</link>
		<dc:creator>HowieCarr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 17:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was far too much eagerness to extend far too much credit to far too many uncreditworthy individuals. Not everyone is worthy of a home (or home loan.)

Hopefully institutions private and public will learn from this and be much more prudent with their- or taxpayers&#039;- funds in the future.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was far too much eagerness to extend far too much credit to far too many uncreditworthy individuals. Not everyone is worthy of a home (or home loan.)</p>
<p>Hopefully institutions private and public will learn from this and be much more prudent with their- or taxpayers&#8217;- funds in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: VJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>VJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 16:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TKL,

&quot;&lt;i&gt;The 1999 NY Times story did not merely say that banks etc. were pressing the GSEs. It said:

&#039;Fannie Mae, the nation&#039;s biggest underwriter of home mortgages, has been under increasing pressure from the Clinton Administration to expand mortgage loans among low and moderate income people...&#039; &quot;

And ?

Once again, for the UMPTEENTH TIME, those were NOT the vast overwhelming majority of the loans that went bad.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TKL,</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>The 1999 NY Times story did not merely say that banks etc. were pressing the GSEs. It said:</p>
<p>&#8216;Fannie Mae, the nation&#8217;s biggest underwriter of home mortgages, has been under increasing pressure from the Clinton Administration to expand mortgage loans among low and moderate income people&#8230;&#8217; &#8221;</p>
<p>And ?</p>
<p>Once again, for the UMPTEENTH TIME, those were NOT the vast overwhelming majority of the loans that went bad.<br />
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		<title>By: guydreaux</title>
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		<dc:creator>guydreaux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 15:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fannie Mae had little to do with subprime lending directly.  It is also fair to say that the $700 billion bailout and bank rescues also had little to do with subprime directly.  To blame the crisis on &quot;subprime&quot; is a fallacy.  One need only to look at the table of subprime servicing volumes to understand that those amounts, on their own, would not materially impact the economy or cause this crisis.

Now, if we&#039;re going to talk about the &quot;crisis&quot; specifically rather than the &quot;subprime&quot; strawman, then Fannie Mae IS very relevant, and not just because the FNMA bailout in asset terms is multiples of the $700 bio bank deal.   FNMA eased lending standards in the 2000s significantly, abetted by Congress.  When you have a government subsidized-entity effectively cutting prices and easing terms (and using govt. subsidies to offering prices lower than private companies can) as well as using govt-subsidized credit to buy mortgage securities in the secondary market (pushing down yields), then it leaves private companies with three choices
1) exit the lending business (some banks did this- orginating/selling directly to FNMA or to securitizers rather than doing actual lending, but again it is hard for a regulated, high cost firm to outcompete unregulated mortgage brokers)
2) stay in the business but  cut prices to match the govt-subsidized competitor
3) move to niches without a government-subsidized competitor (subprime, jumbo, home equity, option pay, etc).

Greenspan&#039;s low interest rates and the &quot;Greenspan put&quot; made options 2 and 3 seem attractive for awhile.

There is no doubt that  FNMA&#039;s govt-subsidized activities in the core market drove private market activity to subprime and other niche products.   The republicans weren&#039;t anti-FNMA because of regulatory arguments, they were anti-FNMA because the banking sector was lobbying them to provide a broader playing field for them to compete in. FNMA had made core lending less profitable and pushed banks to more exotic and profitable  (but much smaller and more dangerous) niches.   The Democrats were of the view that the more govt credit at below market terms the better, and the more involvement by non-banks the better.

In hindsight the solutions were simple:

1) tightly regulate mortgage brokers.  Prosecute fraud by mortgage brokers, real estate agents and homeowners.
2) prevent FNMA from writing mortgages without strict income/employment and primary residence tests and significant downpayments (10-20%).  Limit FNMA&#039;s activities to new mortgage origination rather than secondary market speculation/carry-trades
3) prevent banks from writing neg. AM mortgages and require special capital reserves against mortgages without significant downpayments and income tests.

The mortgage brokers have disappeared (sadly without prosecution of homeowners, real estate agents and most mortgage brokers) but I don&#039;t hear many pols or regulators talking about 2) or 3).   Instead, the pols are talking about looser FHA/FNMA terms and more government subsidy.

&quot;Bush&quot; is unfairly blamed for the current mortgage crisis and no doubt will be blamed when the next president and Congress make it even worse
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fannie Mae had little to do with subprime lending directly.  It is also fair to say that the $700 billion bailout and bank rescues also had little to do with subprime directly.  To blame the crisis on &#8220;subprime&#8221; is a fallacy.  One need only to look at the table of subprime servicing volumes to understand that those amounts, on their own, would not materially impact the economy or cause this crisis.</p>
<p>Now, if we&#8217;re going to talk about the &#8220;crisis&#8221; specifically rather than the &#8220;subprime&#8221; strawman, then Fannie Mae IS very relevant, and not just because the FNMA bailout in asset terms is multiples of the $700 bio bank deal.   FNMA eased lending standards in the 2000s significantly, abetted by Congress.  When you have a government subsidized-entity effectively cutting prices and easing terms (and using govt. subsidies to offering prices lower than private companies can) as well as using govt-subsidized credit to buy mortgage securities in the secondary market (pushing down yields), then it leaves private companies with three choices<br />
1) exit the lending business (some banks did this- orginating/selling directly to FNMA or to securitizers rather than doing actual lending, but again it is hard for a regulated, high cost firm to outcompete unregulated mortgage brokers)<br />
2) stay in the business but  cut prices to match the govt-subsidized competitor<br />
3) move to niches without a government-subsidized competitor (subprime, jumbo, home equity, option pay, etc).</p>
<p>Greenspan&#8217;s low interest rates and the &#8220;Greenspan put&#8221; made options 2 and 3 seem attractive for awhile.</p>
<p>There is no doubt that  FNMA&#8217;s govt-subsidized activities in the core market drove private market activity to subprime and other niche products.   The republicans weren&#8217;t anti-FNMA because of regulatory arguments, they were anti-FNMA because the banking sector was lobbying them to provide a broader playing field for them to compete in. FNMA had made core lending less profitable and pushed banks to more exotic and profitable  (but much smaller and more dangerous) niches.   The Democrats were of the view that the more govt credit at below market terms the better, and the more involvement by non-banks the better.</p>
<p>In hindsight the solutions were simple:</p>
<p>1) tightly regulate mortgage brokers.  Prosecute fraud by mortgage brokers, real estate agents and homeowners.<br />
2) prevent FNMA from writing mortgages without strict income/employment and primary residence tests and significant downpayments (10-20%).  Limit FNMA&#8217;s activities to new mortgage origination rather than secondary market speculation/carry-trades<br />
3) prevent banks from writing neg. AM mortgages and require special capital reserves against mortgages without significant downpayments and income tests.</p>
<p>The mortgage brokers have disappeared (sadly without prosecution of homeowners, real estate agents and most mortgage brokers) but I don&#8217;t hear many pols or regulators talking about 2) or 3).   Instead, the pols are talking about looser FHA/FNMA terms and more government subsidy.</p>
<p>&#8220;Bush&#8221; is unfairly blamed for the current mortgage crisis and no doubt will be blamed when the next president and Congress make it even worse</p>
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		<title>By: LC</title>
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		<dc:creator>LC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 13:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Orson Scott Card (science fiction author and huge jerk) is the latest on the blame-Freddie bandwagon:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/honestreporter.asp
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Orson Scott Card (science fiction author and huge jerk) is the latest on the blame-Freddie bandwagon:<br />
<a href="http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/honestreporter.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/honestreporter.asp</a></p>
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		<title>By: smithernesto</title>
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		<dc:creator>smithernesto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 03:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>Today I have visited your blog <a href="http://bigpicture.typepad.com" rel="nofollow">http://bigpicture.typepad.com</a> and found some quality information. That&#8217;s why I will request you to exchange link with my blog.</p>
<p>Please send me your link info.</p>
<p>Waiting for your reply asap.</p>
<p>With Best Regards,<br />
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		<title>By: TKL</title>
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		<dc:creator>TKL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 02:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems like there&#039;s plenty of blame to go around, and you highlight some interesting facts.  But your zeal on this issue is compromising your intellectual honesty.  The 1999 NY Times story did not merely say that banks etc. were pressing the GSEs.  It said:

&quot;Fannie Mae, the nation&#039;s biggest underwriter of home mortgages, has been under increasing pressure from the Clinton Administration to expand mortgage loans among low and moderate income people and felt pressure from stock holders to maintain its phenomenal growth in profits.

In addition, banks, thrift institutions and mortgage companies have been pressing Fannie Mae to help them make more loans to so-called subprime borrowers.&quot;

Why did you only quote the second paragraph?  For the sake of your readership, if you can&#039;t be honest, move on to another subject.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems like there&#8217;s plenty of blame to go around, and you highlight some interesting facts.  But your zeal on this issue is compromising your intellectual honesty.  The 1999 NY Times story did not merely say that banks etc. were pressing the GSEs.  It said:</p>
<p>&#8220;Fannie Mae, the nation&#8217;s biggest underwriter of home mortgages, has been under increasing pressure from the Clinton Administration to expand mortgage loans among low and moderate income people and felt pressure from stock holders to maintain its phenomenal growth in profits.</p>
<p>In addition, banks, thrift institutions and mortgage companies have been pressing Fannie Mae to help them make more loans to so-called subprime borrowers.&#8221;</p>
<p>Why did you only quote the second paragraph?  For the sake of your readership, if you can&#8217;t be honest, move on to another subject.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 02:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You all miss the point.It is simply a case of government crowding out private industry in conjuction with Fannie and Freddie being the suckers at the poker table. The GSE&#039;s had effective duopoly control of the mortgage market. Their Automated Underwriting Engines commoditized mortgages. The only way private industry could make money was to create niche products (Alt A, Subprime). Then they used the rating agencies to facilitate &quot;credit&quot; arbitrage. Then they capitalized on the stupidity of Fannie/Freddie and the ratings agencies to sell the crap.
It is not that complicated to anyone that actually knows anything about the industry. The only somewhat surprising part of it all is that the Investment Banks drank their own kool-aid. Except for Goldman, of course, who sold the crap to investors while simultaneously shorting the paper they created knowing it was garbage. Thanks Paulson.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You all miss the point.It is simply a case of government crowding out private industry in conjuction with Fannie and Freddie being the suckers at the poker table. The GSE&#8217;s had effective duopoly control of the mortgage market. Their Automated Underwriting Engines commoditized mortgages. The only way private industry could make money was to create niche products (Alt A, Subprime). Then they used the rating agencies to facilitate &#8220;credit&#8221; arbitrage. Then they capitalized on the stupidity of Fannie/Freddie and the ratings agencies to sell the crap.<br />
It is not that complicated to anyone that actually knows anything about the industry. The only somewhat surprising part of it all is that the Investment Banks drank their own kool-aid. Except for Goldman, of course, who sold the crap to investors while simultaneously shorting the paper they created knowing it was garbage. Thanks Paulson.</p>
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		<title>By: OhNoNotAgain</title>
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		<dc:creator>OhNoNotAgain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 00:46:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More information on this via Steve Benen at Washington Monthly:

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/23/mica-waxman/

It&#039;s what I&#039;ve been saying all along.  You have to look at the timeline, specifically *when* did FM&amp;FM start buying up these AAA securities in huge numbers.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More information on this via Steve Benen at Washington Monthly:</p>
<p><a href="http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/23/mica-waxman/" rel="nofollow">http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/23/mica-waxman/</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s what I&#8217;ve been saying all along.  You have to look at the timeline, specifically *when* did FM&#038;FM start buying up these AAA securities in huge numbers.</p>
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