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	<title>Comments on: AIG: The Looting Continues (Banana Republic Watch)</title>
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		<title>By: WaltFrench</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/11/aig-the-looting-continues-banana-republic-watch/comment-page-1/#comment-125666</link>
		<dc:creator>WaltFrench</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 00:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And another point... it seems we recently tweaked our bankruptcy laws and so they should be nice and fresh for their purpose.

Society (or at least, the State of Delaware) grants corporations limits of liability, without which our modern capitalist structure would crumble. It seems that the fee for the bankruptcy put, however, is zero. What would be wrong with requiring firms to buy bankruptcy insurance from an approved insurance firm, with re-insurance from the state, also for a fee? Hardly a socialist proposition, reduces externalities somewhat accurately, and enhances the quality of incentives to firms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And another point&#8230; it seems we recently tweaked our bankruptcy laws and so they should be nice and fresh for their purpose.</p>
<p>Society (or at least, the State of Delaware) grants corporations limits of liability, without which our modern capitalist structure would crumble. It seems that the fee for the bankruptcy put, however, is zero. What would be wrong with requiring firms to buy bankruptcy insurance from an approved insurance firm, with re-insurance from the state, also for a fee? Hardly a socialist proposition, reduces externalities somewhat accurately, and enhances the quality of incentives to firms.</p>
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		<title>By: WaltFrench</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/11/aig-the-looting-continues-banana-republic-watch/comment-page-1/#comment-125665</link>
		<dc:creator>WaltFrench</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 00:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks greatly for the link to Akerlof... it&#039;d be wonderful to have him weigh in on this (or maybe the Fed, with its friendly relationship to him, could).

But I take issue with &lt;blockquote&gt;...the biggest single job of senior management in a financial institution ought to be to assure the health and survival of the entity...&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The current objective of most investors is a maximum present value of the shares, which is in conflict with the risk level and debt ratings. Corporate Finance has advanced enough over the years that management, stockholders and bondholders are actively aware of, and trying to exploit, information asymmetry. 

Not yet having worked thru the paper, I&#039;ll nonetheless argue that corporate disclosure and reporting needs a couple of notches more information. The simple fact that Citi could &quot;elect&quot; to stick $50 billion on its balance sheet one day that didn&#039;t belong there before ought to be adequate proof that current disclosure stinks and puts investors at a disadvantage. Too bad that this would disclose the insolvency of so many outfits that have been looted while the shareholders cheered on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks greatly for the link to Akerlof&#8230; it&#8217;d be wonderful to have him weigh in on this (or maybe the Fed, with its friendly relationship to him, could).</p>
<p>But I take issue with<br />
<blockquote>&#8230;the biggest single job of senior management in a financial institution ought to be to assure the health and survival of the entity&#8230;&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>The current objective of most investors is a maximum present value of the shares, which is in conflict with the risk level and debt ratings. Corporate Finance has advanced enough over the years that management, stockholders and bondholders are actively aware of, and trying to exploit, information asymmetry. </p>
<p>Not yet having worked thru the paper, I&#8217;ll nonetheless argue that corporate disclosure and reporting needs a couple of notches more information. The simple fact that Citi could &#8220;elect&#8221; to stick $50 billion on its balance sheet one day that didn&#8217;t belong there before ought to be adequate proof that current disclosure stinks and puts investors at a disadvantage. Too bad that this would disclose the insolvency of so many outfits that have been looted while the shareholders cheered on.</p>
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		<title>By: BG</title>
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		<dc:creator>BG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How in this world could things have been reasonably OK prior to September, 2007 and now the ENTIRE FUCKING WORLD is asking for and GETTING a bailout?

I didn&#039;t get no bailout!!  What the hell is this?

This whole thing has turned into one unmitigated disaster!  It really has. This bailout thing is totally out of control.

WE CAN NOT REPEAL THE BUSINESS CYCLE. 

BUSINESSES FAIL FROM TIME TO TIME. 

THAT IS THE REASON WE HAVE RECESSIONS, REMEMBER?

WHAT IS GOING ON HERE?  I KNOW DAMN WELL THAT EVERY COMPANY IN THE US IS NOT &quot;TOO BIG TO FAIL&quot;!!  THIS IS CRAZY!!

LET THE ECONOMY CORRECT!! 

QUIT SPENDING OUR SOCIAL SECURITY MONEY ON BAILING THESE BASTARDS OUT, YOU SOBs!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How in this world could things have been reasonably OK prior to September, 2007 and now the ENTIRE FUCKING WORLD is asking for and GETTING a bailout?</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t get no bailout!!  What the hell is this?</p>
<p>This whole thing has turned into one unmitigated disaster!  It really has. This bailout thing is totally out of control.</p>
<p>WE CAN NOT REPEAL THE BUSINESS CYCLE. </p>
<p>BUSINESSES FAIL FROM TIME TO TIME. </p>
<p>THAT IS THE REASON WE HAVE RECESSIONS, REMEMBER?</p>
<p>WHAT IS GOING ON HERE?  I KNOW DAMN WELL THAT EVERY COMPANY IN THE US IS NOT &#8220;TOO BIG TO FAIL&#8221;!!  THIS IS CRAZY!!</p>
<p>LET THE ECONOMY CORRECT!! </p>
<p>QUIT SPENDING OUR SOCIAL SECURITY MONEY ON BAILING THESE BASTARDS OUT, YOU SOBs!!</p>
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		<title>By: Spero</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just saw this exact post popup at nakedcapitalism: http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/11/aig-looting-continues.html

Is there some sort of cross posting going on?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just saw this exact post popup at nakedcapitalism: <a href="http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/11/aig-looting-continues.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/11/aig-looting-continues.html</a></p>
<p>Is there some sort of cross posting going on?</p>
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		<title>By: the0ther</title>
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		<dc:creator>the0ther</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes, this is looting. i do not see why these looters should not be treated just as...say looters in New Orleans after Katrina...get a private security firm with a lot of guns to deny looters access to lootables, and if necessary, shoot looters on sight. 

i know somebody on this blog has got a couple spare million to pay the fees for the security forces. who&#039;s gonna be a mensch and pony up? oh none of you? wimps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes, this is looting. i do not see why these looters should not be treated just as&#8230;say looters in New Orleans after Katrina&#8230;get a private security firm with a lot of guns to deny looters access to lootables, and if necessary, shoot looters on sight. </p>
<p>i know somebody on this blog has got a couple spare million to pay the fees for the security forces. who&#8217;s gonna be a mensch and pony up? oh none of you? wimps.</p>
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		<title>By: leftback</title>
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		<dc:creator>leftback</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:10:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder how long it will be before the first financial services building burns down? Eventually the mob will do it, but with AIG they will probably burn it down themselves as an insurance scam....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how long it will be before the first financial services building burns down? Eventually the mob will do it, but with AIG they will probably burn it down themselves as an insurance scam&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: KidDynamite</title>
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		<dc:creator>KidDynamite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:25:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great writeup - this is obviously totally and completely sick, and you&#039;re absolutely right that it&#039;s another form of trying to overpay for assets disguised as &quot;AIG is too big to fail&quot;

there is one thing that doesn&#039;t make sense to me:

AIG is short (ie, they have written insurance) protection on a bunch of CDO&#039;s and MBS.  This plan is to now take money from the gov&#039;t and buy underlying CDO&#039;s and MBS to hide in an AIG off balance sheet vehicle...   the question: how does this help AIG?  doesn&#039;t this make them double long the assets in question now?

in other words... they now own the assets, and they are still short protection on them - if the assets lose value, AIG loses TWICE... !??!?!  you noted the sentence: &quot;Once it holds the securities, AIG could cancel the credit default swaps &quot; - which you described as noise - i&#039;d describe it as NONSENSE... when you buy an asset, you don&#039;t get CDS with it!  How will AIG have the right to just cancel its CDS obligations???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great writeup &#8211; this is obviously totally and completely sick, and you&#8217;re absolutely right that it&#8217;s another form of trying to overpay for assets disguised as &#8220;AIG is too big to fail&#8221;</p>
<p>there is one thing that doesn&#8217;t make sense to me:</p>
<p>AIG is short (ie, they have written insurance) protection on a bunch of CDO&#8217;s and MBS.  This plan is to now take money from the gov&#8217;t and buy underlying CDO&#8217;s and MBS to hide in an AIG off balance sheet vehicle&#8230;   the question: how does this help AIG?  doesn&#8217;t this make them double long the assets in question now?</p>
<p>in other words&#8230; they now own the assets, and they are still short protection on them &#8211; if the assets lose value, AIG loses TWICE&#8230; !??!?!  you noted the sentence: &#8220;Once it holds the securities, AIG could cancel the credit default swaps &#8221; &#8211; which you described as noise &#8211; i&#8217;d describe it as NONSENSE&#8230; when you buy an asset, you don&#8217;t get CDS with it!  How will AIG have the right to just cancel its CDS obligations???</p>
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		<title>By: Mike in Nola</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike in Nola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:32:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is just another example of the coddling of incompetent managements because of the old boy relationships and because &quot;we are not socialists.&quot;

If Bush does sign off on a bailout for the automakers, I&#039;m sure it will contain stringent limits on pay and benefits for the auto workers because everyone knows they make too much, even if they produce actual products and don&#039;t just shuffle money around with disastrous results.

BG:

I think you&#039;ve got it about right. All this is farce. About all we can do is try to siphon off what we can out of the markets to protect ourselves as much as possible from this calamity, just as the big boys are. We cannot count count on the governments to solve anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is just another example of the coddling of incompetent managements because of the old boy relationships and because &#8220;we are not socialists.&#8221;</p>
<p>If Bush does sign off on a bailout for the automakers, I&#8217;m sure it will contain stringent limits on pay and benefits for the auto workers because everyone knows they make too much, even if they produce actual products and don&#8217;t just shuffle money around with disastrous results.</p>
<p>BG:</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;ve got it about right. All this is farce. About all we can do is try to siphon off what we can out of the markets to protect ourselves as much as possible from this calamity, just as the big boys are. We cannot count count on the governments to solve anything.</p>
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		<title>By: BG</title>
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		<dc:creator>BG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for explaining the nationalization issue with AIG.

On another note,.... with massive amounts of borrowed capital dissiminated around the world (to supposedly support the exchange of currencies), has the PPT gone global? I think it has!

What I hear is not consistent with what I see. It looks to me like Governments around the world are buying equities to mask off how bad things really are systemically. As the equities futures markets go up, a little voice in my head is saying none of this is real.

If  the volatility could be removed and the equity markets just sit in a tight range and do nothing, that would be a good thing. If it continues to go up, that just tells me the day is getting closer to when the bottom falls out again. Either that or investors feel the situation is not as bad as indicated. I&#039;m definitely not in that camp.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for explaining the nationalization issue with AIG.</p>
<p>On another note,&#8230;. with massive amounts of borrowed capital dissiminated around the world (to supposedly support the exchange of currencies), has the PPT gone global? I think it has!</p>
<p>What I hear is not consistent with what I see. It looks to me like Governments around the world are buying equities to mask off how bad things really are systemically. As the equities futures markets go up, a little voice in my head is saying none of this is real.</p>
<p>If  the volatility could be removed and the equity markets just sit in a tight range and do nothing, that would be a good thing. If it continues to go up, that just tells me the day is getting closer to when the bottom falls out again. Either that or investors feel the situation is not as bad as indicated. I&#8217;m definitely not in that camp.</p>
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