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		<title>By: MDT</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/11/aig-we-need-more-money/comment-page-1/#comment-125367</link>
		<dc:creator>MDT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi.

Today here in Spain one of the most important bank in Europe announce a capital increase by 7200 mill €.
Because It is having problems for sell his participations in Cepsa and Banco de Venezuela.

Sorry for the english.

You can read more on http://www.invertir-bolsa-info.com/blog/?p=57</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi.</p>
<p>Today here in Spain one of the most important bank in Europe announce a capital increase by 7200 mill €.<br />
Because It is having problems for sell his participations in Cepsa and Banco de Venezuela.</p>
<p>Sorry for the english.</p>
<p>You can read more on <a href="http://www.invertir-bolsa-info.com/blog/?p=57" rel="nofollow">http://www.invertir-bolsa-info.com/blog/?p=57</a></p>
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		<title>By: leftback</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/11/aig-we-need-more-money/comment-page-1/#comment-125252</link>
		<dc:creator>leftback</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 03:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BG: They all knew what they were doing, but as long as the music kept on playing they kept on dancing..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BG: They all knew what they were doing, but as long as the music kept on playing they kept on dancing..</p>
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		<title>By: BG</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/11/aig-we-need-more-money/comment-page-1/#comment-125250</link>
		<dc:creator>BG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 02:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mannwich, I sure hope you are right and it&#039;s about damn time. 

It is now apparent that AIG far out-reached their ability to cover the amount of risk they took on. All the way from how the mortgages were given out, to the securitization, to the insurance. The whole thing was one big colluded scam. 

If I didn&#039;t know better, it appears to me they wanted all of this to happen for some reason. What rational person would ever wish such a terrible outcome as we have already gotten, let alone what is yet to come?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mannwich, I sure hope you are right and it&#8217;s about damn time. </p>
<p>It is now apparent that AIG far out-reached their ability to cover the amount of risk they took on. All the way from how the mortgages were given out, to the securitization, to the insurance. The whole thing was one big colluded scam. </p>
<p>If I didn&#8217;t know better, it appears to me they wanted all of this to happen for some reason. What rational person would ever wish such a terrible outcome as we have already gotten, let alone what is yet to come?</p>
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		<title>By: Mannwich</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/11/aig-we-need-more-money/comment-page-1/#comment-125247</link>
		<dc:creator>Mannwich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 02:25:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that 2009 will be the year of the &quot;Wall Street Perp Walk&quot;.  At least it had better be if we hope to get to the bottom of this mess and fix things so that any semblance of confidence in our so called &quot;free markets&quot; can be restored........

Or is it too late for that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that 2009 will be the year of the &#8220;Wall Street Perp Walk&#8221;.  At least it had better be if we hope to get to the bottom of this mess and fix things so that any semblance of confidence in our so called &#8220;free markets&#8221; can be restored&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
<p>Or is it too late for that?</p>
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		<title>By: gbgasser</title>
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		<dc:creator>gbgasser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 02:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yves Smith over at Naked Capitalism has this story on her site as well.  Here is a (paraphrase of) description of AIGs actions in lay mans terms;

This is like a guy going into a pawn shop where he had received 85 dollars on a watch.  He now tells the guy he wants another 50 dollars and if he doesn&#039;t get it, he&#039;s going to blow his brains out right there in his shop. The cost of cleaning up the shop plus all the negative feedback from a death in his store is likely to cost more than 50 dollars.
Oh, and he pulled this same stunt last week as well and it worked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yves Smith over at Naked Capitalism has this story on her site as well.  Here is a (paraphrase of) description of AIGs actions in lay mans terms;</p>
<p>This is like a guy going into a pawn shop where he had received 85 dollars on a watch.  He now tells the guy he wants another 50 dollars and if he doesn&#8217;t get it, he&#8217;s going to blow his brains out right there in his shop. The cost of cleaning up the shop plus all the negative feedback from a death in his store is likely to cost more than 50 dollars.<br />
Oh, and he pulled this same stunt last week as well and it worked.</p>
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		<title>By: BG</title>
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		<dc:creator>BG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 01:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IMO the US Government should nationalize the SOB and send the whole crowd home for good with absolutely nothing! We&#039;re only 20% away from that outcome anyway. At this point, it is obvious that AIG has become the FDIC for the Wall Street crowd. Now all of a sudden, no derivative is of any value and there is no end to pouring money down this rathole as BR has described.

This is moral hazard raised to the power of infinity!  Nationalize the bastard!

Might as well go ahead and cross that bridge now and get it out of the way.  Fuck those bastards!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMO the US Government should nationalize the SOB and send the whole crowd home for good with absolutely nothing! We&#8217;re only 20% away from that outcome anyway. At this point, it is obvious that AIG has become the FDIC for the Wall Street crowd. Now all of a sudden, no derivative is of any value and there is no end to pouring money down this rathole as BR has described.</p>
<p>This is moral hazard raised to the power of infinity!  Nationalize the bastard!</p>
<p>Might as well go ahead and cross that bridge now and get it out of the way.  Fuck those bastards!</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Neid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Neid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 01:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AGG Says: 

November 9th, 2008 at 4:49 pm 
Patrick Neid,
Friend, this wasn’t annual budget request manipulation. There never was a “plan”. Kevin Phillips on Bill Moyers explained it fully. It was the culmination of “use a crisis to make MORE money” for the elite. There was NEVER any plan to help the common man. If you think there was, you were fooled.


I&#039;m not going to get in the definition of what a plan is but I will use it as a term to describe what Paulson and Bernanke tossed before us a couple of months ago. Then as now I said that &quot;no plan&quot; was the best plan.  While I find people like Moyers/Phillips useless at best I never buy into conspiracies about they did it for the elites. As to Cuomo and Congress sharpening their teeth that&#039;s like acting surprised when hyenas show up at a kill.  When large sums of money disappear you can be certain that lawyers will appear.

Perhaps Moyers will get off his sorry ass and do a show on all the payola that went from Fannie/Freddie to all the Ceo&#039;s,  directors and politicians for cooking the books yet cooking the books at Enron put people in jail. Now that would be  some hope and change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AGG Says: </p>
<p>November 9th, 2008 at 4:49 pm<br />
Patrick Neid,<br />
Friend, this wasn’t annual budget request manipulation. There never was a “plan”. Kevin Phillips on Bill Moyers explained it fully. It was the culmination of “use a crisis to make MORE money” for the elite. There was NEVER any plan to help the common man. If you think there was, you were fooled.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not going to get in the definition of what a plan is but I will use it as a term to describe what Paulson and Bernanke tossed before us a couple of months ago. Then as now I said that &#8220;no plan&#8221; was the best plan.  While I find people like Moyers/Phillips useless at best I never buy into conspiracies about they did it for the elites. As to Cuomo and Congress sharpening their teeth that&#8217;s like acting surprised when hyenas show up at a kill.  When large sums of money disappear you can be certain that lawyers will appear.</p>
<p>Perhaps Moyers will get off his sorry ass and do a show on all the payola that went from Fannie/Freddie to all the Ceo&#8217;s,  directors and politicians for cooking the books yet cooking the books at Enron put people in jail. Now that would be  some hope and change.</p>
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		<title>By: Francois</title>
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		<dc:creator>Francois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 00:12:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is it that almost nobody remember that these scums are of the same ilk of those who seized the opportunity of the 9/11 attack to backdate their options packages to enrich themselves while the nation was in total shock and mourning thousand of people?

Just search for &quot;The perfect payday&quot; on the WallStreet Journal online. Make sure you haven&#039;t eat in the last 8 hours preceding the reading of this article.

Conscience? Decency? That won&#039;t get anyone far in making the maximum amount of money/wealth they feel entitled too. However, It&#039;s good for the poor and the insects (a.k.a. working stiffs) that they observe with a detached amusement from their corner offices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is it that almost nobody remember that these scums are of the same ilk of those who seized the opportunity of the 9/11 attack to backdate their options packages to enrich themselves while the nation was in total shock and mourning thousand of people?</p>
<p>Just search for &#8220;The perfect payday&#8221; on the WallStreet Journal online. Make sure you haven&#8217;t eat in the last 8 hours preceding the reading of this article.</p>
<p>Conscience? Decency? That won&#8217;t get anyone far in making the maximum amount of money/wealth they feel entitled too. However, It&#8217;s good for the poor and the insects (a.k.a. working stiffs) that they observe with a detached amusement from their corner offices.</p>
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		<title>By: leftback</title>
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		<dc:creator>leftback</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 23:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Thanks, constant, that is my first nomination... 

@ AGG: regarding your increasing health insurance piracy, I mean premiums. You are of course correct. these people are thieves. The result of the public outcry against the Clinton health care plans was to allow these fat cats to rape the nation via health premiums in the pay check while the investment bankers were doing likewise via the 401K plan. However, you can take heart - I am quite sure that President Obama is aware of this. I think we are going to see some significant belt tightening in the health services industry. I am not talking so much the providers themselves, who haven&#039;t benefitted a great deal (nurses, office staff, most physicians), but the monetizers (hospital adminstrators, HMOs etc..) are effectively the bond insurers of the health care industry. They have been having a big party, probably at the same resort as the AIG guys. The new government is going to make a lot of these non-productive money-shuffling parts of society bend over. Trench digging for these guys, if they are lucky. I have met them and they are the same scum as the finance and real estate people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Thanks, constant, that is my first nomination&#8230; </p>
<p>@ AGG: regarding your increasing health insurance piracy, I mean premiums. You are of course correct. these people are thieves. The result of the public outcry against the Clinton health care plans was to allow these fat cats to rape the nation via health premiums in the pay check while the investment bankers were doing likewise via the 401K plan. However, you can take heart &#8211; I am quite sure that President Obama is aware of this. I think we are going to see some significant belt tightening in the health services industry. I am not talking so much the providers themselves, who haven&#8217;t benefitted a great deal (nurses, office staff, most physicians), but the monetizers (hospital adminstrators, HMOs etc..) are effectively the bond insurers of the health care industry. They have been having a big party, probably at the same resort as the AIG guys. The new government is going to make a lot of these non-productive money-shuffling parts of society bend over. Trench digging for these guys, if they are lucky. I have met them and they are the same scum as the finance and real estate people.</p>
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		<title>By: constantnormal</title>
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		<dc:creator>constantnormal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 22:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>leftback for Treasury Secretary!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>leftback for Treasury Secretary!</p>
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