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		<title>By: oilshock05</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/11/gramm-deregulator-unswayed/comment-page-1/#comment-126989</link>
		<dc:creator>oilshock05</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:29:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barry,

Could you list all the laws &amp; regulations that were repealed? Also, the deregulation implies that the do nothing congress didn&#039;t pass any new laws and regulations over the last several years. Could you prove it? Could you post some stats on the number of federal, state and local government jobs that were eliminated due to the deregulation, because these positions were deemed unnecessary. Please post some stats on the number of lawyers unemployed due to lack of laws that could be used to sue other people. Also, don&#039;t forget to post the cut in real spending at the federal level over the last few years, that can be attributed to the deregulation. Finally, if you could post some stats on the reduction in the number of pages from various law books as laws were eliminated.

Thanks,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barry,</p>
<p>Could you list all the laws &amp; regulations that were repealed? Also, the deregulation implies that the do nothing congress didn&#8217;t pass any new laws and regulations over the last several years. Could you prove it? Could you post some stats on the number of federal, state and local government jobs that were eliminated due to the deregulation, because these positions were deemed unnecessary. Please post some stats on the number of lawyers unemployed due to lack of laws that could be used to sue other people. Also, don&#8217;t forget to post the cut in real spending at the federal level over the last few years, that can be attributed to the deregulation. Finally, if you could post some stats on the reduction in the number of pages from various law books as laws were eliminated.</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
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		<title>By: auden5</title>
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		<dc:creator>auden5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 06:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gramm is correct in his general principles.  Overall, deregulation allows poorer people better access to credit, which may allow them to rise up to the middle class.  His point is that while Wells Fargo wouldn&#039;t have loaned his mother money to buy a house, she was able to do so through a less regulated money lender.  Such outfits can work well--just look at the unconventional, unregulated microfinance lenders--or not so-well--Countrywide.  But logically, if microfinance customers do well without regulation and microfinance lenders do well by targeting poor people, then deregulation is not the problem per se.  That&#039;s all Gramm is trying to say.  Where he fails is by not pointing out that less regulated lenders deserved a small niche in the economy and instead became the whole pie, courtesy of the rating agencies.  The unethical rating agencies who put lipstick on the debt pigs were the main culprits that allowed everyone else&#039;s excesses to trickle down to Main Street.  Once again, that&#039;s not a direct consequence of financial deregulation--that&#039;s a direct consequence of a lack of ethics.   More here:

http://willworkforjustice.blogspot.com/2008/09/ocm-other-countries-money.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gramm is correct in his general principles.  Overall, deregulation allows poorer people better access to credit, which may allow them to rise up to the middle class.  His point is that while Wells Fargo wouldn&#8217;t have loaned his mother money to buy a house, she was able to do so through a less regulated money lender.  Such outfits can work well&#8211;just look at the unconventional, unregulated microfinance lenders&#8211;or not so-well&#8211;Countrywide.  But logically, if microfinance customers do well without regulation and microfinance lenders do well by targeting poor people, then deregulation is not the problem per se.  That&#8217;s all Gramm is trying to say.  Where he fails is by not pointing out that less regulated lenders deserved a small niche in the economy and instead became the whole pie, courtesy of the rating agencies.  The unethical rating agencies who put lipstick on the debt pigs were the main culprits that allowed everyone else&#8217;s excesses to trickle down to Main Street.  Once again, that&#8217;s not a direct consequence of financial deregulation&#8211;that&#8217;s a direct consequence of a lack of ethics.   More here:</p>
<p><a href="http://willworkforjustice.blogspot.com/2008/09/ocm-other-countries-money.html" rel="nofollow">http://willworkforjustice.blogspot.com/2008/09/ocm-other-countries-money.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Archiphage</title>
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		<dc:creator>Archiphage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MikeG:
I don&#039;t disagree with you, and especially not about the current group of villains in the so-called Justice Department, nor anywhere in DC for that matter. I was just taking an admittedly cheap shot at someone I despise. I wasn&#039;t making a serious argument that anyone -even grandstanding hypocrites- should be kidnapped and tortured using extorted funds for the non-crime of paying a woman for sex. 
 Actually, I&#039;m getting a nice little chuckle at myself nearly getting called a Puritan, of all things. Thanks for that... I needed it, because I&#039;m about to get stopped out of the Aussie dollar a-freakin&#039;-gain!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MikeG:<br />
I don&#8217;t disagree with you, and especially not about the current group of villains in the so-called Justice Department, nor anywhere in DC for that matter. I was just taking an admittedly cheap shot at someone I despise. I wasn&#8217;t making a serious argument that anyone -even grandstanding hypocrites- should be kidnapped and tortured using extorted funds for the non-crime of paying a woman for sex.<br />
 Actually, I&#8217;m getting a nice little chuckle at myself nearly getting called a Puritan, of all things. Thanks for that&#8230; I needed it, because I&#8217;m about to get stopped out of the Aussie dollar a-freakin&#8217;-gain!</p>
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		<title>By: MikeG</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/11/gramm-deregulator-unswayed/comment-page-1/#comment-126883</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Spitzer is out of jail already? I wish I’d been born one of those ‘ruling class’ versions of man. &lt;/i&gt;

WhyTF should Spitzer be in jail? I&#039;m no big fan of his, but he used his own money to purchase a consensual service that many, many politicians use, the only difference being he got caught by an investigation that was likely politically-motivated (the Bush Justice Department running politically-motivated revenge investigations? Unthinkable. Just ask Don Siegelman).

The ethical issues are between him and his wife. Why waste taxpayers money putting him in jail? We have the largest prison population on earth, at immense financial and social cost, because of this kind of puritan lock-em-all-up mentality.

The bigger question is why personal indiscretions of the Clinton/Spitzer variety excite such punitive outrage, while the massive crimes of the Bush insiders are ignored.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Spitzer is out of jail already? I wish I’d been born one of those ‘ruling class’ versions of man. </i></p>
<p>WhyTF should Spitzer be in jail? I&#8217;m no big fan of his, but he used his own money to purchase a consensual service that many, many politicians use, the only difference being he got caught by an investigation that was likely politically-motivated (the Bush Justice Department running politically-motivated revenge investigations? Unthinkable. Just ask Don Siegelman).</p>
<p>The ethical issues are between him and his wife. Why waste taxpayers money putting him in jail? We have the largest prison population on earth, at immense financial and social cost, because of this kind of puritan lock-em-all-up mentality.</p>
<p>The bigger question is why personal indiscretions of the Clinton/Spitzer variety excite such punitive outrage, while the massive crimes of the Bush insiders are ignored.</p>
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		<title>By: Winston Munn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Winston Munn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is your brain:

&quot;There are those who look at things the way they are, and ask why... I dream of things that never were, and ask why not?” - Bobby Kennedy

This is your brain on Ideology:

“Some people look at subprime lending and see evil. I look at subprime lending and I see the American dream in action.&quot; - Phil Gramm

Any questions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is your brain:</p>
<p>&#8220;There are those who look at things the way they are, and ask why&#8230; I dream of things that never were, and ask why not?” &#8211; Bobby Kennedy</p>
<p>This is your brain on Ideology:</p>
<p>“Some people look at subprime lending and see evil. I look at subprime lending and I see the American dream in action.&#8221; &#8211; Phil Gramm</p>
<p>Any questions?</p>
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		<title>By: ReturnFreeRisk</title>
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		<dc:creator>ReturnFreeRisk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ideology pushed too far is bad. Any ideology. That is what Greenspan did. And that is what Phil Gramm seems to be guilty of. People like them will NEVER own up. And the recognition is important. Without recognition of past mistakes, we will never fix the problem.

With Fed funds rate (effective) now around 20-30bps, we have effectively cut rates to zero and are sowing the seeds of the next bubble or inflation (think massive moral hazard inducing bailouts AND monetary inflation).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ideology pushed too far is bad. Any ideology. That is what Greenspan did. And that is what Phil Gramm seems to be guilty of. People like them will NEVER own up. And the recognition is important. Without recognition of past mistakes, we will never fix the problem.</p>
<p>With Fed funds rate (effective) now around 20-30bps, we have effectively cut rates to zero and are sowing the seeds of the next bubble or inflation (think massive moral hazard inducing bailouts AND monetary inflation).</p>
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		<title>By: Ethel-to-Tilly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ethel-to-Tilly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You should be a little more careful of historical accuracy - both the 1999 and 2000 bills were passed by Congress and signed by Clinton well after the impeachment - not &quot;in the midst of the impeachment scandal&quot; as you assert.

The impeachment trial was early 1999 - the Senate vote was in February - after that it was pretty much a dead issue.  The Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act was passed by Congress  and signed by Clinton in November 1999 - well after the &quot;impeachment scandal&quot;.

The Commodities Futures Modernization Act was not introduced until Dec 14, 2000, in a lame duck session of Congress,  the day before recess ,and was included as part of a 21,000 page omnibus budget bill and never debated in either house of Congress - it was signed by Clinton on Dec 21, 2000 - also well after the &quot;impeachment scandal&quot;.

The fact that Gramm engineered such a wide-ranging and potentially destructive bill on the last day of Congress, and tucked it neatly inside a huge thumbs-up or thumbs-down budget bill where it would never be considered or addressed on it&#039;s merits says a whole lot about the Republican way of government.  The fact that Gramm is proud of and unapologetic as to his achievements says a whole lot about Gramm as a person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You should be a little more careful of historical accuracy &#8211; both the 1999 and 2000 bills were passed by Congress and signed by Clinton well after the impeachment &#8211; not &#8220;in the midst of the impeachment scandal&#8221; as you assert.</p>
<p>The impeachment trial was early 1999 &#8211; the Senate vote was in February &#8211; after that it was pretty much a dead issue.  The Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act was passed by Congress  and signed by Clinton in November 1999 &#8211; well after the &#8220;impeachment scandal&#8221;.</p>
<p>The Commodities Futures Modernization Act was not introduced until Dec 14, 2000, in a lame duck session of Congress,  the day before recess ,and was included as part of a 21,000 page omnibus budget bill and never debated in either house of Congress &#8211; it was signed by Clinton on Dec 21, 2000 &#8211; also well after the &#8220;impeachment scandal&#8221;.</p>
<p>The fact that Gramm engineered such a wide-ranging and potentially destructive bill on the last day of Congress, and tucked it neatly inside a huge thumbs-up or thumbs-down budget bill where it would never be considered or addressed on it&#8217;s merits says a whole lot about the Republican way of government.  The fact that Gramm is proud of and unapologetic as to his achievements says a whole lot about Gramm as a person.</p>
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		<title>By: Winston Munn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Winston Munn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are stateman:

&quot;Economic growth without social progress lets the great majority of the people remain in poverty, while a privleged few reap the benefits of rising abundance.&quot; - John Kennedy

And then there are Phil Grams...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are stateman:</p>
<p>&#8220;Economic growth without social progress lets the great majority of the people remain in poverty, while a privleged few reap the benefits of rising abundance.&#8221; &#8211; John Kennedy</p>
<p>And then there are Phil Grams&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: tedstevens</title>
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		<dc:creator>tedstevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>poor regulation is not the same as deregulation...what we [Americans] have been operating under is a system of poor regulation which should be properly labeled as the cause for this...NOT deregulation.

political spinsters make me sick.

that said...if there were no fed, no fiat currency, no bailouts, no bad regulation...imagine the possibilities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>poor regulation is not the same as deregulation&#8230;what we [Americans] have been operating under is a system of poor regulation which should be properly labeled as the cause for this&#8230;NOT deregulation.</p>
<p>political spinsters make me sick.</p>
<p>that said&#8230;if there were no fed, no fiat currency, no bailouts, no bad regulation&#8230;imagine the possibilities.</p>
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		<title>By: leoeris</title>
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		<dc:creator>leoeris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, that is a good idea, send the free market fundamentalists to our enemies countries! We would only have to pay their salaries to completely weaken enemy economies!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, that is a good idea, send the free market fundamentalists to our enemies countries! We would only have to pay their salaries to completely weaken enemy economies!</p>
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