http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generative_programming

Once they accomplish this, there will not be any demand for programmers. There will be lot of demand for operations staff. you’ll be stinkin rich.

as far as the “very low skilled job” … very … really that is just a step to far

and I’m sure I could spend the time to find research to back up this statement – but why bother I know its close to true

the world has IQs from 50 to 150 – everyone of them need a job – to provide for their possible 150 IQ child from that 50 IQ father and 60 IQ mother

This is exactly the point I am making. There is too much supply of plumbers because it is a very low skilled job. Anyone can become a plumber. Engineer or Architect jobs are safer than plumber jobs. If Engineering/coding jobs can be outsourced, why there is so much demand for them in the US?

Actually, come to think of it, it seems to me that it’s an awful lot easier to outsource code monkeys than good ops folks, in the same way that it’s easy to hire architects and engineers to draw plans and design a building anywhere, but when it comes to carpenters, plumbers, electricians, ironworkers, etc. they still need to be on site to build the building.

Developers are more like architects, sysadmins more like plumbers. And your inexperienced architect or engineer is gonna make mistakes that an experienced plumber or electrician will see in a second and be able to fix..

(BTW, very few developers I’ve ever met could debug their own code on a platform properly, ESPECIALLY those that are addicted to IDEs and write Java or C++ or scripting.. And C#? Here’s a nickel, kid, buy a _real_ operating system…)

Leaving aside any discussion of fraud or indentured-servitude in H1B, it is simple economics to say when you enlarge the pool of eligible workers, the salary will go down. When you have a fixed pool of workers and increasing demand for their labor, Adam Smith 101 says salaries will rise. When you enlarge the pool, salaries remain stagnant. When you enlarge the pool _and_ falsify demand, salaries go down.

Companies are both falsifying demand for labor as well as falsifying its supply, and appealing for special privileges to satisfy both false things in order to reduce wages. Let’s call it like it is.

There are lot of programming jobs still available in C#, Java and C++ in NYC. Unfortunately, most Americans don’t want to do programming. They don’t want to think. They want easy money doing operations or system administration.

You clearly have not worked in operations or admin on Wall St. And I have yet to meet a developer who carries a tether and is in an on-call rotation to support their own crappy code, unless they’re a developer/admin (common in startups and small companies where developers have root and life is hell).

can be JAIL or WAR … you will pay-up
war unfortunately for some … has the most paybacks for capital players

Buy your competitor with other peoples money promising a better world for all

then consolidate activities and turn an 8 hour daytime operation into 2 shifts (no kids ballgame for you Dad)
office jobs are not needed because of the computers lightspeed ability

Marketeer extracts his pay for betterment to the world
Office worker creates a Save the ____ business or a magazine (with others peoples money via the CC or MEW)

bottom line – since the sleepin tube doesn’t exist – in this world you (or your neighbor) WILL care for the people
somehow someway (or make war)

ps – jmay @ Nov 10 2008 at 5:42 pm
I could see that scenario going on all over the place

I can attest that the above statements are absolutely, unequivocally, positively true. No matter how you try to explain it (assuming you haven’t been branded radioactive and are even given the chance to do so), no one wants to hear it. Of the last 3 companies I worked for, one has shut down, one had average employee tenure of 9 months and their stock price has been under 25 cents for most of the last 2 years (while they have continually diluted shareholders by issuing ever more stock), and the 3rd has average annual turnover in the 40% range. Any of this should be enough to show that the it is/was the company management that is/was at fault. But noooooo. It’s ALWYS somehow the employee’s fault!

This is why unemployed people often get depressed and give up job hunting.