If we only had a financial system…
Steve Randy Waldman writes the blog interfluidity. His take is usually away from the mainstream, and always interesting.
He recently wrote this:
Here’s Paul Krugman:
Sooner or later, then, consumers were going to have to pull in their belts. But the timing of the new sobriety is deeply unfortunate. One is tempted to echo St. Augustine’s plea: “Grant me chastity and continence, but not yet.” For consumers are cutting back just as the U.S. economy has fallen into a liquidity trap — a situation in which the Federal Reserve has lost its grip on the economy.
…The capitulation of the American consumer, then, is coming at a particularly bad time. But it’s no use whining. What we need is a policy response.
…[W]hat the economy needs now is something to take the place of retrenching consumers. That means a major fiscal stimulus. And this time the stimulus should take the form of actual government spending rather than rebate checks that consumers probably wouldn’t spend.
Tyler Cowen responds:
Krugman… calls for fiscal stimulus… I am more inclined to think that consumers need to cut their spending now. It is widely understood that consumers have been living beyond their means. Let us say instead that consumers maintain their spending (say through fiscal stimulus, a cut in sales taxes, or sheer exhortation) but that everyone knows consumer spending will fall in three years time. In three years time, the “liquidity trap” (not exactly how I think of it) will be over, but in the meantime investment commitments will be lackluster, given that people will be waiting for the economy to digest the forthcoming change. Maybe we need to spend less now and get the adjustment over with more quickly, even though that will be painful.
I love this exchange, because it beautifully dances around the elephant that is not in the room.
Krugman’s point is that, ordinarily, a dip in consumer spending could be offset by an investment boom, courtesy of the Federal Reserve. As always, there’s model just behind Dr. Krugman’s words, summarized in this case by an accounting identity:
Y = C + I + G + NX
If C (consumer spending) contracts, and I (investment) cannot be made to grow, then Y (GDP — truth, goodness, and happiness) must fall, unless we start messing with G (government spending) and NX (net exports). Hoping for an export boom during a global recession seems daft (although NX shifting toward zero from recent negative values may help), so we are left to work with G. It’s time to ramp up government spending.
You can almost hear the words of Hayek echoing in Dr. Cowen’s rejoinder: “Mr. Keynes’ Krugman’s aggregates conceal the most fundamental mechanisms of change.” Cowen’s rather subtle point is that if we artificially support current patterns of consumption by having the government spend money into people’s pockets, we won’t know what future, sustainable patterns of consumption might look like. Without that, we won’t know what to invest in. Paradoxically, we might exacerbate the short-term problem by suppressing private investment. Longer term, we cannot run the economy off of government spending indefinitely, and if we just postpone the pain, we will find ourselves with fewer resources when we have to deal with the underlying problem.
The elephant that is not in the room is a financial system. By a financial system, I don’t mean the tottering cartel of banks and insurers loudly sucking newly printed cash into “collateral postings” and “deleveragings” and other meaningless nonactivities. That is no financial system at all. It is an ecology of intestines and tapeworms, tubes through which dollars flow and are skimmed en route to destinations about which the tripe-creatures have little interest or concern.
No, a financial system would be forward-looking. A financial system would be interested in the world, rather than fascinated by the patterns that formed behind its own mathematical eyelids. A financial system would hunger for information. It would leave no human preference overlooked and no technological possibility unconsidered. A financial system would embrace us all, would want to learn from us all. It would not be something external, something outsourced to specialists in London or Manhattan. It would want “savers” to express what they plan to do, how they hope to live, rather than offering generic claims on money along a disembodied spectrum of “risk”. It would thirst for proposals, ideas, business plans designed to meet the preferences thus expressed, or to achieve possibilities not widely considered. A financial system would be creative. No stock exchange could contain the vast and multifarious tapestry of investable ideas a financial system would educe. A financial system would offer us opportunities to invest not in distant opportunities where we are disadvantaged, but in projects that are informationally, if not physically, near to us. A financial system would be ruthless. It would allow us to have a voice in the most important decision we collectively make, but would force us each to bear the costs of our errors.
We simply do not have such a system. We don’t have anything remotely like such a system.
If we did, Dr. Krugman’s preferred remedy would have worked five years ago, when the Fed still could, and did, stimulate an investment boom. If we had a financial system, we would not have invested in luxury housing and disinvested from tradables while our current account deficit ballooned. We would not have securitized current consumption, and the called it “investment”. Extrapolation is not foresight, and Ponzi schemes do not generate wealth. We did not have a financial system on 2003. That is how we got to 2008.
If we had a financial system, we wouldn’t require the world economy to collapse, just so we could learn how it might be put back together again (with expectations sufficiently lowered). Our financial system would be considering a wide array of possible futures, and using us all to push the world toward to a future that actually makes sense. If we had a financial system, we would be saving by spending to enable future production, not by making sure our dollars are in the kind of bank accounts the government guarantees. Strained consumers would shift from C to I without depleting Y, by purchasing claims on future goods and services, which investors would sell while funding projects designed to ensure the production of those goods. The very act of cutting back current consumption would generate new information about the structure of future consumption, as nervous savers factor price into claims on the future and nervous investors compete to offer claims at prices low enough to sell but high enough that they can ensure profitable fulfillment through an uncertain future.
Of course, this is a kind of dumb utopianism. If we had a magic wand, we’d have better options too. But I suggest you look at it the other way around: the “financial system” that we actually have is an awful dystopia. Yes, it will be impossible to create the perfect massively decentralized optimizer of collective and individual human futures. Screw perfection, but we should at least go for mediocre. Right now, banks don’t even bother to sell themselves to savers on the basis of their superior acumen in choosing real investments. Investors in mortgage-backed securities never believed there was a deficiency of luxury exurban housing. People don’t invest in index funds because they have a considered belief that the projects available to listed firms are superior on average to other projects that might be pursued. We have methodically erased information about real-world activities from the financial decision-making process. We’ve created an intrafinancial mandarin class, treated as experts, entrusted with wealth, but lacking knowledge of anything other than the arcane wheels and gears of finance, as if the finance exists apart from the workaday world of producing and consuming, serving and being served.
There will never be a perfect financial system. But the system we have is so far from reasonable that it must be undone, or it will be our undoing. We should not be propping it up. We should be tearing it down, and using all these hundreds of billions of dollars to replace it with something sensible.
By the way, as a policy matter, in this world as it is, I don’t mean to criticize either Krugman or Cowen. I think they are both right. Per Krugman, for now we have little choice but to have government do a lot of spending, since we have no financial system to convert present savings into real investment. But, for the reasons that Cowen highlights, I think we should channel any stimulus towards basic consumption by those facing hardship (e.g. unemployment benefits, food stamps, etc.) and obviously necessary infrastructure investment (fixing bridges, dams, power grids, etc.). In any reasonable future, everybody will eat, so offering money to those struggling to put food on their table or a roof over their heads will create less uncertainty about future tradeoffs than subsidizing discretionary consumption by those better off. And it’s a cliche, but a true cliche, that our public infrastructure is crumbling. Pulling forward restoration projects that will be necessary unless there are radical changes in the structure of American life also introduces relatively little noise.
But the most important thing we should be doing is building a real financial system.






November 3rd, 2008 at 5:40 pm
a situation in which the Federal Reserve has lost its grip on the economy.
I take this to mean that Krugman will soon be calling for ending the Fed? No?
Frank Shostak does a good job of explaining why more Keynesianism at a time when Keynesianism has failed, is clearly the wrong path:
http://mises.org/story/3169
November 4th, 2008 at 8:53 am
Prepare for the New Economic Order
Interest Rates [Credit] are the Cause and Consequence of the Explosion
of Income/Wealth Disparities and, Hence, of the Inherent Instability of
this Economy.
Everyone Need an Economy, Don’t They?
There Is One Solution That Works:
A Credit Free, Free Market Economy:
The New Economic Order.
The Only Goal of 1776 – Annuit Coeptis is to Implement It.
They Can Transfer Their Assets & Forget Their Liabilities.
Anyone Can Join But They Still Need to Ask for It.
http://www.17-76.net/
The Purpose Is to Provide Both a New Deal and a New Game.
It is NOT to Fix This Economy Which is Already Beyond Repair.
The Intention Is to Create a New Economy
With the Assets of the Old One Without its Liabilities.
Why Not Insure Against the Worst Case Scenario?
November 4th, 2008 at 9:45 am
Barry,
That was a quality post. You’re not unleashing your inner Austrian w/ this cross post, are you? Kudos on the new site as well.
Regards,
TDL
November 4th, 2008 at 5:32 pm
@ Barry Ritholtz:
That is hands down, the most poignant, thought provoking post that I have read on your blog. Too bad it was so hard for me to find… I’m just now digging through the new tabs. I hope the commentators come back, because its posts like this one that keep us fulfilled and engaged with each other, and the site.
I have a few ideas for government spending a la New Deal that I suppose could do alot for our productivity and enhancement as a country:
1. Revitalizing the Railroad system. Use existing tracks primarily for freight. Build a new magnetic levitation rail system for coast to coast travel, beginning in densely populated areas like the North East, and then between major cities, ie: LA to SF, NY to DC, ATL to MIA, CHI to STL… We need hi speed trains in this country!!!
2. Drastic enhancements to existing automobile transportation infrastructure: The interstate Highway system, Bridges, Tunnels, ensuring that car traffic flows in major urban areas are efficient, and not conducive to sitting in a car in traffic for 90 minutes a day going from suburbs to cities.
3. A complete renaissance of the agricultural system. Give farmers incentives to adopt smaller scale, organic, sustainable agriculture in place of mass production farming by dumping a shit ton of fertilizer on the ground year after year. Encourage people to be farmers, and make it possible for them to make an honest living doing so. Current agricultural farm subsidies are ridiculous and inept.
4. Revitalize the trades. Invest in the trades. People should be proud to be carpenters, electricians, masons, mechanics, etc. The trades should not be looked upon as some default you do if you didnt go to college or do well in high school. We should have a post high school “college” system for the trades just like we do for everything else.
5. Invest in financial education… IN SCHOOL from elementary to high school. Its fucking ridiculous that kids in college receive credit card apps in the mail before they even know how to write a check… let alone balancing an account. Every high school graduate should be able to tell you what the difference is between an asset and a liability, know the basics of accounting, and be prepared to maintain their own investments, be they stocks, bonds, or real estate.
6. Invest in clean tech. Period. Windfarms, Solarfarms, Tidal Power, Geothermal, CELLULOSIC ethanol… We need it all, and we need the jobs that widespread implementation of clean tech will bring. We need to fuse the technology with the grid, to ensure that power is captured and utilized as efficiently as possible.
I’ll cut it there for now and see what others have to say.
November 4th, 2008 at 5:42 pm
Ok… my bad BR.
I thought at first that you wrote this. You still rock, but Steve Waldman kicks ass. Thanks for sharing.
November 5th, 2008 at 8:30 am
First, this is an excellent post, and I do think I understand what Waldman is trying to express.
Though, here: “The elephant that is not in the room is a financial system. By a financial system, I don’t mean the tottering cartel of banks and insurers loudly sucking newly printed cash into “collateral postings” and “deleveragings” and other meaningless nonactivities. That is no financial system at all. It is an ecology of intestines and tapeworms, tubes through which dollars flow and are skimmed en route to destinations about which the tripe-creatures have little interest or concern.
No, a financial system would be forward-looking. A financial system would be interested in the world, rather than fascinated by the patterns that formed behind its own mathematical eyelids. A financial system would hunger for information. It would leave no human preference overlooked and no technological possibility unconsidered. A financial system would embrace us all, would want to learn from us all. It would not be something external, something outsourced to specialists in London or Manhattan. It would want “savers” to express what they plan to do, how they hope to live, rather than offering generic claims on money along a disembodied spectrum of “risk”. It would thirst for proposals, ideas, business plans designed to meet the preferences thus expressed, or to achieve possibilities not widely considered. A financial system would be creative. No stock exchange could contain the vast and multifarious tapestry of investable ideas a financial system would educe. A financial system would offer us opportunities to invest not in distant opportunities where we are disadvantaged, but in projects that are informationally, if not physically, near to us. A financial system would be ruthless. It would allow us to have a voice in the most important decision we collectively make, but would force us each to bear the costs of our errors.
We simply do not have such a system. We don’t have anything remotely like such a system.”
I think it would be very helpful if he split his terms.
towit, with this: “The elephant that is not in the room is a financial system. By a financial system, I don’t mean the tottering cartel of banks and insurers loudly sucking newly printed cash into “collateral postings” and “deleveragings” and other meaningless nonactivities. That is no financial system at all. It is an ecology of intestines and tapeworms, tubes through which dollars flow and are skimmed en route to destinations about which the tripe-creatures have little interest or concern.”
He is, in Fact, describing the Financial System/Schema we have in place, currently. As opposed to: ” That is no financial system at all.” Worse, this: “an ecology of intestines and tapeworms, tubes through which dollars flow and are skimmed en route to destinations about which the tripe-creatures have little interest or concern.”, is The Goal of the Creature.
Here: “No, a financial system would be forward-looking. A financial system would be interested in the world, rather than fascinated by the patterns that formed behind its own mathematical eyelids. A financial system would hunger for information…” Contra to a Financial System, he is describing a functioning Economy/Economic System.
We lose our way when we conflate Finance and Economics. For, where ever found, alone, Finance, is severing the thinking head of Economics.
Past that, as I said, this was a fine post, I hope that Waldman, in the Future, discerns, and expounds upon, the distinction..
November 5th, 2008 at 9:37 pm
Someone care to dumb this down a little for me? Paraphrase, if you will?
Would a byproduct of this systemmatic void be the lack of vehicle that doesn’t run on fuel? Surely we’ve got the brainpower to create something, yet perverse incentives, or lack there of, have prevented us from doing so.