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	<title>Comments on: Leverage Is an 8 Letter Word</title>
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		<title>By: jswede</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/11/leverage-is-an-8-letter-word/comment-page-1/#comment-128269</link>
		<dc:creator>jswede</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 01:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to quote:  &quot;Today, many highly rated loans are selling for 80 cents on the dollar. *****There is nothing wrong with the collateral or the corporation which owes the money; there is just no one with ready cash to buy the loans.****** I asked my friend why he doesn’t buy them, since they offer very good returns.

The problem is that his fund, and most other CLOs, have covenants in their offering documents that prevent them from buying debt at less than 85 cents on the dollar. That covenant is a good thing in normal markets, as it prevents possible mischief by the manager, but right now it means that a lot of opportunity is being missed.&quot;


COME ON.  if those mortgages are such a &quot;good buy&quot; at $80, he should be picking out some of the better and paying his &quot;floor&quot; price of $85 for them.....   yet he&#039;s not.   There&#039;s no offer side sitting pat at $80 for these CLOs day-in day-out --  it&#039;s price discovery every day, depending on who&#039;s looking to both buy and to sell.  If there&#039;s TRULY &quot;nothing wrong&quot;, he&#039;d be loading up at $85.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to quote:  &#8220;Today, many highly rated loans are selling for 80 cents on the dollar. *****There is nothing wrong with the collateral or the corporation which owes the money; there is just no one with ready cash to buy the loans.****** I asked my friend why he doesn’t buy them, since they offer very good returns.</p>
<p>The problem is that his fund, and most other CLOs, have covenants in their offering documents that prevent them from buying debt at less than 85 cents on the dollar. That covenant is a good thing in normal markets, as it prevents possible mischief by the manager, but right now it means that a lot of opportunity is being missed.&#8221;</p>
<p>COME ON.  if those mortgages are such a &#8220;good buy&#8221; at $80, he should be picking out some of the better and paying his &#8220;floor&#8221; price of $85 for them&#8230;..   yet he&#8217;s not.   There&#8217;s no offer side sitting pat at $80 for these CLOs day-in day-out &#8212;  it&#8217;s price discovery every day, depending on who&#8217;s looking to both buy and to sell.  If there&#8217;s TRULY &#8220;nothing wrong&#8221;, he&#8217;d be loading up at $85.</p>
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		<title>By: SpeakToMe</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/11/leverage-is-an-8-letter-word/comment-page-1/#comment-128196</link>
		<dc:creator>SpeakToMe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 16:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is definitely a gap between the price of commercial mortgage backed fixed income and the prices sellers are willing to transact at.  I&#039;d say cap rates are at perhaps 7.5%, while AAA mortgages are showing around 10% (as per the first chart above).

I&#039;d be careful with the evident opportunity in high yield bonds -- I lost a ton back in 1990 with similar thinking (that was a previous period of corporate deleveraging, driven by the bust in the lbo boom).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is definitely a gap between the price of commercial mortgage backed fixed income and the prices sellers are willing to transact at.  I&#8217;d say cap rates are at perhaps 7.5%, while AAA mortgages are showing around 10% (as per the first chart above).</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be careful with the evident opportunity in high yield bonds &#8212; I lost a ton back in 1990 with similar thinking (that was a previous period of corporate deleveraging, driven by the bust in the lbo boom).</p>
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		<title>By: wunsacon</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/11/leverage-is-an-8-letter-word/comment-page-1/#comment-128175</link>
		<dc:creator>wunsacon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 07:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe we will monetize.  And I believe the world&#039;s central banks will *want* us to, because either they or their domestic companies are being hurt by dollar strengthening almost as badly -- and often worse -- than we are.

The world&#039;s bankers want Helicopter Ben up on that wall.  They NEED him on that wall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe we will monetize.  And I believe the world&#8217;s central banks will *want* us to, because either they or their domestic companies are being hurt by dollar strengthening almost as badly &#8212; and often worse &#8212; than we are.</p>
<p>The world&#8217;s bankers want Helicopter Ben up on that wall.  They NEED him on that wall.</p>
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		<title>By: DL</title>
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		<dc:creator>DL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 06:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, the Department of Treasury and the Federal Reserve are now the newest entrants to the leverage game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, the Department of Treasury and the Federal Reserve are now the newest entrants to the leverage game.</p>
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		<title>By: leftback</title>
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		<dc:creator>leftback</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BR, this was excellent. Thanks for this and many other BP Cafe contributions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BR, this was excellent. Thanks for this and many other BP Cafe contributions.</p>
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