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		<title>By: theta77</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/11/revisiting-the-wyckoff-spring/comment-page-1/#comment-128214</link>
		<dc:creator>theta77</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 19:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ahhh... yeah... OK... flipspiceland.... you should really try to get out more....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ahhh&#8230; yeah&#8230; OK&#8230; flipspiceland&#8230;. you should really try to get out more&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: flipspiceland</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/11/revisiting-the-wyckoff-spring/comment-page-1/#comment-128211</link>
		<dc:creator>flipspiceland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 18:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Theta--


Regarding using reason and deduction to survive or prosper in the markets: 

I read somewhere that Charley Darwin figured out that positive mutations in our prehistoric ancestors caused us to &#039;evolve&#039; one way or another. For instance whales, which are mammals, used to live only in the sea but evolved legs to hunt or hide on land. But as food sources dried up on land whales developed larger capacity to &#039;breathe&#039; for longer times under water seeking food or to hide from predators on land. This was considered a positive mutation for it propagated more whales. They eventually mutated, evolved, a blow hole that they sport today for permanent sea-dwelling and &#039;de-volved&#039; legs that they no longer needed. Today they would die if they have to live on land. 

To wit: There is now a small but growing coterie of folks who think that &quot;rational thought&quot;, deduction, induction, and logic instead of being a positive mutation may in fact actually be a &quot;negative&quot; mutation, and thus be our ruination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Theta&#8211;</p>
<p>Regarding using reason and deduction to survive or prosper in the markets: </p>
<p>I read somewhere that Charley Darwin figured out that positive mutations in our prehistoric ancestors caused us to &#8216;evolve&#8217; one way or another. For instance whales, which are mammals, used to live only in the sea but evolved legs to hunt or hide on land. But as food sources dried up on land whales developed larger capacity to &#8216;breathe&#8217; for longer times under water seeking food or to hide from predators on land. This was considered a positive mutation for it propagated more whales. They eventually mutated, evolved, a blow hole that they sport today for permanent sea-dwelling and &#8216;de-volved&#8217; legs that they no longer needed. Today they would die if they have to live on land. </p>
<p>To wit: There is now a small but growing coterie of folks who think that &#8220;rational thought&#8221;, deduction, induction, and logic instead of being a positive mutation may in fact actually be a &#8220;negative&#8221; mutation, and thus be our ruination.</p>
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		<title>By: theta77</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/11/revisiting-the-wyckoff-spring/comment-page-1/#comment-128199</link>
		<dc:creator>theta77</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 16:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its interesting to read the comments connected to technical analysis - everyone see&#039;s something different - and that&#039;s cool... the question becomes, &quot;how do you make money with it?. While everyone is arguing about their stance - a  rare and outstanding opportunity to make a lot of money right now and going into 2009 is presenting itself.

With the VIX between 70 and 80 and the SPX beaten down 50% ( hey - it can fall ANOTHER 20% ) I see and smell opportunity.

The SPY closed at 79.52 on Friday. You can  buy it for 60.72 on Monday (for a 23.64% downside hedge) and 13.17% return over 16 weeks ( 42.82% annualized)

Walmart closed at 52.92 on Friday. Can be purchased for 41.62 on Monday (for a 21.35% downside hedge) and a 15.02% return over 16 weeks ( 48.82% annualized)

Consol Energy  closed at 20.80 on Friday. Can be purchased for 11.30 on Monday (for a 45.67% downside hedge) and a 49.33% return over 20 weeks ( 128.7% annualized)

Conoco Phillips closed at 46.84 on Friday. Can be purchased for 35.29 on Monday (for a 24.66% downside protection and a 23.55% return over 12 weeks ( 102.05% annualized)

The above are just a few random examples - and of course - hard stops are always in place - but the probability (edge) is so much in your favor right now. Why the market bounced on Friday afternoon is completely irrelevant.  I run my own TA also (by the way - my system tells me we have an unconfirmed intermediate bottom in place. It should be confirmed or non-confirmed over the next week or so) -  my job as a trader is formulate trades  - TAKE buy / sell signals without question - manage risk form there. Trading / investing is a game of  PROBABILITY and RISK MANAGEMENT.  Most - have no risk management. Great traders that have an edge and risk management - and the ones that are right about60% of the time - print money.  Our opinions mean nothing.. and will usually cost us money. I choose to listen to what the market is telling me.  Great quote, &quot;Trade what you SEE - not what you THINK.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its interesting to read the comments connected to technical analysis &#8211; everyone see&#8217;s something different &#8211; and that&#8217;s cool&#8230; the question becomes, &#8220;how do you make money with it?. While everyone is arguing about their stance &#8211; a  rare and outstanding opportunity to make a lot of money right now and going into 2009 is presenting itself.</p>
<p>With the VIX between 70 and 80 and the SPX beaten down 50% ( hey &#8211; it can fall ANOTHER 20% ) I see and smell opportunity.</p>
<p>The SPY closed at 79.52 on Friday. You can  buy it for 60.72 on Monday (for a 23.64% downside hedge) and 13.17% return over 16 weeks ( 42.82% annualized)</p>
<p>Walmart closed at 52.92 on Friday. Can be purchased for 41.62 on Monday (for a 21.35% downside hedge) and a 15.02% return over 16 weeks ( 48.82% annualized)</p>
<p>Consol Energy  closed at 20.80 on Friday. Can be purchased for 11.30 on Monday (for a 45.67% downside hedge) and a 49.33% return over 20 weeks ( 128.7% annualized)</p>
<p>Conoco Phillips closed at 46.84 on Friday. Can be purchased for 35.29 on Monday (for a 24.66% downside protection and a 23.55% return over 12 weeks ( 102.05% annualized)</p>
<p>The above are just a few random examples &#8211; and of course &#8211; hard stops are always in place &#8211; but the probability (edge) is so much in your favor right now. Why the market bounced on Friday afternoon is completely irrelevant.  I run my own TA also (by the way &#8211; my system tells me we have an unconfirmed intermediate bottom in place. It should be confirmed or non-confirmed over the next week or so) &#8211;  my job as a trader is formulate trades  &#8211; TAKE buy / sell signals without question &#8211; manage risk form there. Trading / investing is a game of  PROBABILITY and RISK MANAGEMENT.  Most &#8211; have no risk management. Great traders that have an edge and risk management &#8211; and the ones that are right about60% of the time &#8211; print money.  Our opinions mean nothing.. and will usually cost us money. I choose to listen to what the market is telling me.  Great quote, &#8220;Trade what you SEE &#8211; not what you THINK.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jackal</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/11/revisiting-the-wyckoff-spring/comment-page-1/#comment-128190</link>
		<dc:creator>Jackal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 15:13:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, to paraphrase a great actor and financial genius, &#039;Following the Spring, there will be growth.&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, to paraphrase a great actor and financial genius, &#8216;Following the Spring, there will be growth.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: RiskAverseAlert</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/11/revisiting-the-wyckoff-spring/comment-page-1/#comment-128154</link>
		<dc:creator>RiskAverseAlert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 02:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good to be the first one here looking for the biggest rally in over five years...

Crash? With the Democratic Party&#039;s upcoming control of Washington just weeks away and great worry among The City and Wall Street about a return to policies associated with FDR? I think not. Despite every reason not to buy, European aristocrats and their American Loyalists have no other alternative if they wish to protect those bankrupt ideologies they&#039;ve imposed upon the American Republic and which have brought us to this extraordinarily vulnerable point. Give it a couple years. Then they&#039;ll be ready to destroy the Democratic Party (in similar fashion the other side has been) ... and reek the kind of political havoc they are famous for imposing on Europe in the 1930s.

The Bank of England&#039;s boy at the NY Fed ... who gave away Lehman to Barclays ... soon to become Treasury Secretary ... might buy time giving away more of the store ... but in the end, no scheme coming from a monetarist monkey will forever forestall a Great Calamity...

Well, at least this seems a reasonable possibility, anyway...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good to be the first one here looking for the biggest rally in over five years&#8230;</p>
<p>Crash? With the Democratic Party&#8217;s upcoming control of Washington just weeks away and great worry among The City and Wall Street about a return to policies associated with FDR? I think not. Despite every reason not to buy, European aristocrats and their American Loyalists have no other alternative if they wish to protect those bankrupt ideologies they&#8217;ve imposed upon the American Republic and which have brought us to this extraordinarily vulnerable point. Give it a couple years. Then they&#8217;ll be ready to destroy the Democratic Party (in similar fashion the other side has been) &#8230; and reek the kind of political havoc they are famous for imposing on Europe in the 1930s.</p>
<p>The Bank of England&#8217;s boy at the NY Fed &#8230; who gave away Lehman to Barclays &#8230; soon to become Treasury Secretary &#8230; might buy time giving away more of the store &#8230; but in the end, no scheme coming from a monetarist monkey will forever forestall a Great Calamity&#8230;</p>
<p>Well, at least this seems a reasonable possibility, anyway&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: canuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>canuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 23:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course you could believe this is the reason for gold rally:

http://asburyresearch.blogspot.com/2008/11/following-green-highlights-is-excerpt.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course you could believe this is the reason for gold rally:</p>
<p><a href="http://asburyresearch.blogspot.com/2008/11/following-green-highlights-is-excerpt.html" rel="nofollow">http://asburyresearch.blogspot.com/2008/11/following-green-highlights-is-excerpt.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: canuck</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/11/revisiting-the-wyckoff-spring/comment-page-1/#comment-128128</link>
		<dc:creator>canuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 23:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes to all above,  on the downside global de-leveraging continues, destroying the yen carry trade potential to support equity prices and perhaps this de-exuberancing will all end at the same price point at which it was first identified by Greenspan in his December 5, 1996 &quot;Irrational Exuberance&quot; speech.  That is DOW 6437. 

But, let&#039;s make a case for both the bear AND bull,  not gather evidence to support only one view, and thus maintain the mental flexibility to deal with the ridiculous price volatility-since it&#039;s likely  to continue.

Technically speaking, with a nod to the Wyckoff analysis, and trying to keep it simple,  viewing the Oct/Nov DOW action as a continuation triangle, with a 2000 point range,  the break last Monday of the triangle bottom would continue down to project to the DOW 1996 price level, per Steve&#039;s projections. 

As counterpoint to this, since Thursday printed new,  but marginal millenial price lows,  a rally back up to test the old lows should not be a major surprise.  If one is also bullish enough to consider that SPX might simply be in multi-year long term consolidation since the 2000 highs, a marginal new low would also be a natural buy point. In this instance, we might be at point 7 of the chart, if viewing the chart as daily closes.

As JY appears to be failing at a secondary high, suggesting reduced de-leveraging at current equity price levels, it&#039;s hard to push the shorts. But global macro conditions continue to deteriorate, which to me precludes any forward-looking bullish equity price projections. Watch the JY futures to DOW correlation  intra-day as a clue to equity price action

In respect to Fed actions and Treasuries, the best commentary I&#039;ve read is that the credit crisis is the top of the ninth inning, the economic crisis is coming out of the bullpen and most people don&#039;t even know the funding crisis is scheduled.  As another commentator&#039;s  grandfather told him, &quot;You only get three times in your life to sell Treasuries at 120 down to the 70&#039;s.&quot;

I&#039;m pretty sure this will be one of them.  That&#039;s the beginning of what we&#039;re seeing in gold and gold miners. But that doesn&#039;t mean we can&#039;t in the meantime have a decent equity sucker rally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes to all above,  on the downside global de-leveraging continues, destroying the yen carry trade potential to support equity prices and perhaps this de-exuberancing will all end at the same price point at which it was first identified by Greenspan in his December 5, 1996 &#8220;Irrational Exuberance&#8221; speech.  That is DOW 6437. </p>
<p>But, let&#8217;s make a case for both the bear AND bull,  not gather evidence to support only one view, and thus maintain the mental flexibility to deal with the ridiculous price volatility-since it&#8217;s likely  to continue.</p>
<p>Technically speaking, with a nod to the Wyckoff analysis, and trying to keep it simple,  viewing the Oct/Nov DOW action as a continuation triangle, with a 2000 point range,  the break last Monday of the triangle bottom would continue down to project to the DOW 1996 price level, per Steve&#8217;s projections. </p>
<p>As counterpoint to this, since Thursday printed new,  but marginal millenial price lows,  a rally back up to test the old lows should not be a major surprise.  If one is also bullish enough to consider that SPX might simply be in multi-year long term consolidation since the 2000 highs, a marginal new low would also be a natural buy point. In this instance, we might be at point 7 of the chart, if viewing the chart as daily closes.</p>
<p>As JY appears to be failing at a secondary high, suggesting reduced de-leveraging at current equity price levels, it&#8217;s hard to push the shorts. But global macro conditions continue to deteriorate, which to me precludes any forward-looking bullish equity price projections. Watch the JY futures to DOW correlation  intra-day as a clue to equity price action</p>
<p>In respect to Fed actions and Treasuries, the best commentary I&#8217;ve read is that the credit crisis is the top of the ninth inning, the economic crisis is coming out of the bullpen and most people don&#8217;t even know the funding crisis is scheduled.  As another commentator&#8217;s  grandfather told him, &#8220;You only get three times in your life to sell Treasuries at 120 down to the 70&#8217;s.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure this will be one of them.  That&#8217;s the beginning of what we&#8217;re seeing in gold and gold miners. But that doesn&#8217;t mean we can&#8217;t in the meantime have a decent equity sucker rally.</p>
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		<title>By: mikaeel</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikaeel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 22:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t really understand this Wyckoff Spring thing but Mikaeel&#039;s Tea leaves seem to be indicating DOW 6000 by years end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t really understand this Wyckoff Spring thing but Mikaeel&#8217;s Tea leaves seem to be indicating DOW 6000 by years end.</p>
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		<title>By: KJ Foehr</title>
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		<dc:creator>KJ Foehr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 20:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: DL’s comment at 2:01pm on Cramer’s rant against shortselling.

Yeah, those free markets are a real bitch.  We should definitely ban all forms of short selling.  But wait…they don’t allow shortselling in China and their market is down about 70%.  Hmmm… well that must be an anomaly, we know Cramer is a genius so he must be right, right?

I don’t watch his show anymore, but I sometimes wonder, what is he selling these days after his capitulation and recommendation that everyone get out of the market a few weeks ago?  Is every stock a Sell, Sell, Sell now?  How can you do a show like his after you have told everyone to get out of the market?  Perhaps he has called a bottom again, that would seem to be the only way to continue the show.  

Last year I predicted his show would be gone by the end of 2008, after his bullishness and his stocks of the year crashed and burned in this bear market, but I underestimated his chutzpah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: DL’s comment at 2:01pm on Cramer’s rant against shortselling.</p>
<p>Yeah, those free markets are a real bitch.  We should definitely ban all forms of short selling.  But wait…they don’t allow shortselling in China and their market is down about 70%.  Hmmm… well that must be an anomaly, we know Cramer is a genius so he must be right, right?</p>
<p>I don’t watch his show anymore, but I sometimes wonder, what is he selling these days after his capitulation and recommendation that everyone get out of the market a few weeks ago?  Is every stock a Sell, Sell, Sell now?  How can you do a show like his after you have told everyone to get out of the market?  Perhaps he has called a bottom again, that would seem to be the only way to continue the show.  </p>
<p>Last year I predicted his show would be gone by the end of 2008, after his bullishness and his stocks of the year crashed and burned in this bear market, but I underestimated his chutzpah.</p>
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		<title>By: I-Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>I-Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 20:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re very keen today, Left.  Congrats on your GDX fortitude... that baby&#039;s got legs now.  I&#039;m also enamored with the GLD breakout from that 73 handle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re very keen today, Left.  Congrats on your GDX fortitude&#8230; that baby&#8217;s got legs now.  I&#8217;m also enamored with the GLD breakout from that 73 handle.</p>
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