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	<title>Comments on: Updating ATLAS SHRUGGED for the Financial Crisis</title>
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		<title>By: gfeirman</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/11/updating-atlas-shrugged/comment-page-2/#comment-130081</link>
		<dc:creator>gfeirman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 16:52:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was hilarious.  Great parody.

In all fairness, though, Rand was a strong believer in the gold standard and would not have endorsed the loose money policies that caused this whole mess.  She believed in production, not financial manipulation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was hilarious.  Great parody.</p>
<p>In all fairness, though, Rand was a strong believer in the gold standard and would not have endorsed the loose money policies that caused this whole mess.  She believed in production, not financial manipulation.</p>
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		<title>By: Drews</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 03:34:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about Greenspan&#039;s piece &quot;Gold and Economic Freedom?&quot;  Is Barry saying this too is shite?

To me it seems more like Greenspan had a change of heart.  The expansion of credit and money supply under his term are not the ideals of Rand or Gold and Economic Freedom.  Sure there was deregulation under Greenspan but was the motive capitalism or was it required to further his expansion of credit policy?  Who else would hold the new debt if leverage wasn&#039;t increased?

Can someone please expand for us younger folks on the link between today&#039;s mess and Greenspan&#039;s early ideals with Rand?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about Greenspan&#8217;s piece &#8220;Gold and Economic Freedom?&#8221;  Is Barry saying this too is shite?</p>
<p>To me it seems more like Greenspan had a change of heart.  The expansion of credit and money supply under his term are not the ideals of Rand or Gold and Economic Freedom.  Sure there was deregulation under Greenspan but was the motive capitalism or was it required to further his expansion of credit policy?  Who else would hold the new debt if leverage wasn&#8217;t increased?</p>
<p>Can someone please expand for us younger folks on the link between today&#8217;s mess and Greenspan&#8217;s early ideals with Rand?</p>
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		<title>By: KJ Foehr</title>
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		<dc:creator>KJ Foehr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 23:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@MEH

Got cha.  Mum&#039;s the word on that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@MEH</p>
<p>Got cha.  Mum&#8217;s the word on that.</p>
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		<title>By: whitespiral</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/11/updating-atlas-shrugged/comment-page-2/#comment-129435</link>
		<dc:creator>whitespiral</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 11:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure sure....despite enjoying reading the book, I too can&#039;t help but gasp at some of the hyperbole and straw-men created by the author. 

But Barry, to be honest, I appreciate intellectual consistency a tad more than your &quot;whichever way the wind blows&quot;  position.  

Please, either turn 180 and stop criticizing bail-outs or calling the Fed &quot;Wall-Street&#039;s Bitch&quot; (your finest moment indeed), or stop blaming the free-market, laissez-faire, or whatever you want to call it for this current mess.

Funny how the ultimate centrist, statist and corporatist got to be painted as the spokesperson for Classical Liberalism. (Ol&#039; Easy Al)

I said I worried about the kinds of lessons people would take away from this meltdown about a year ago. But when guys like you start falling victim to the now popular &quot;it was free-market ideology&quot;, I really worry. 

Judge these guys by their actions, not their rhetoric.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure sure&#8230;.despite enjoying reading the book, I too can&#8217;t help but gasp at some of the hyperbole and straw-men created by the author. </p>
<p>But Barry, to be honest, I appreciate intellectual consistency a tad more than your &#8220;whichever way the wind blows&#8221;  position.  </p>
<p>Please, either turn 180 and stop criticizing bail-outs or calling the Fed &#8220;Wall-Street&#8217;s Bitch&#8221; (your finest moment indeed), or stop blaming the free-market, laissez-faire, or whatever you want to call it for this current mess.</p>
<p>Funny how the ultimate centrist, statist and corporatist got to be painted as the spokesperson for Classical Liberalism. (Ol&#8217; Easy Al)</p>
<p>I said I worried about the kinds of lessons people would take away from this meltdown about a year ago. But when guys like you start falling victim to the now popular &#8220;it was free-market ideology&#8221;, I really worry. </p>
<p>Judge these guys by their actions, not their rhetoric.</p>
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		<title>By: Douglas Watts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Douglas Watts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 06:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not  a lot of people have read Das Kapital and the Fountainhead. 

The Fountainhead has always been for me an artistic manifesto, specifically architecture. Frank Lloyd Wright was the model for Howard Roark. And the model for Howard Roark and Frank Lloyd Wright was Henry Hobson Richardson, who built the Oakes Ames Memorial Hall in North Easton, Massachusetts in 1885 to literally &quot;grow out of the ledges&quot; upon which it was seated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not  a lot of people have read Das Kapital and the Fountainhead. </p>
<p>The Fountainhead has always been for me an artistic manifesto, specifically architecture. Frank Lloyd Wright was the model for Howard Roark. And the model for Howard Roark and Frank Lloyd Wright was Henry Hobson Richardson, who built the Oakes Ames Memorial Hall in North Easton, Massachusetts in 1885 to literally &#8220;grow out of the ledges&#8221; upon which it was seated.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark E Hoffer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark E Hoffer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 06:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KJ, 

see: Carroll Quigley, Tragedy and Hope: A History of the World in our Time
The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can “throw the rascals out” at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy.
http://www.icerocket.com/search?tab=web&amp;q=carroll+quigley+tradegy+%26+hope

while I appreciate the approach you are speaking of, there&#039;s a whole other paradigm, then the one you&#039;re referencing, at play..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KJ, </p>
<p>see: Carroll Quigley, Tragedy and Hope: A History of the World in our Time<br />
The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can “throw the rascals out” at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy.<br />
<a href="http://www.icerocket.com/search?tab=web&amp;q=carroll+quigley+tradegy+%26+hope" rel="nofollow">http://www.icerocket.com/search?tab=web&amp;q=carroll+quigley+tradegy+%26+hope</a></p>
<p>while I appreciate the approach you are speaking of, there&#8217;s a whole other paradigm, then the one you&#8217;re referencing, at play..</p>
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		<title>By: dingojoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>dingojoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 04:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with those who say there&#039;s nothing wrong with Atlas Shrugged  as a thought provoking work, but clearly Greenspan should have been given a few other books to round out his education.  Maybe Flannery O&#039;Connor&#039;s &quot;A Good Man Is Hard to Find&quot; would have been helpful.

Al would have been a good Fed Chairman if only there was somebody there to shoot him everyday of his life.

No Country for Old Men would have been a good choice too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with those who say there&#8217;s nothing wrong with Atlas Shrugged  as a thought provoking work, but clearly Greenspan should have been given a few other books to round out his education.  Maybe Flannery O&#8217;Connor&#8217;s &#8220;A Good Man Is Hard to Find&#8221; would have been helpful.</p>
<p>Al would have been a good Fed Chairman if only there was somebody there to shoot him everyday of his life.</p>
<p>No Country for Old Men would have been a good choice too.</p>
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		<title>By: AGG</title>
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		<dc:creator>AGG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 03:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Atlas Shrugged espouses a rather simple theory. It can be assumed that if you take a wash bucket and, after adding water, several frogs and a snapping turtle, wait a while, shortly thereafter all the frogs will  be dead. It doesn&#039;t matter if the snapping turtle is hungry or not. The snapping turtle, like us, is a killer. The washbucket represents a captive market. Every red blooded capitalist who is always screaming about free markets really is always scheming to get a washbucket market (monopoly) so he can make a killing. The problem is that the logical conclusion of this &quot;ferocity&quot; (it sure as hell ain&#039;t a philosophy) is that the turtle starves to death after killing all the frogs. The very idea that cooperation&#039;s sole purpose is to manipulate the competition until you can destroy them is the epitome of stupidity. Perhaps, since the most agressive among us like this sort of thing, society and most humans will be destroyed. The &quot;lucky&quot; survivors will be surrounded by robots that perfectly mimic all the fantasies of the head bad ass human. If I were an alien and in my travels through the galaxy came upon such an interesting species, I think some behavior modification would be the order of the day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Atlas Shrugged espouses a rather simple theory. It can be assumed that if you take a wash bucket and, after adding water, several frogs and a snapping turtle, wait a while, shortly thereafter all the frogs will  be dead. It doesn&#8217;t matter if the snapping turtle is hungry or not. The snapping turtle, like us, is a killer. The washbucket represents a captive market. Every red blooded capitalist who is always screaming about free markets really is always scheming to get a washbucket market (monopoly) so he can make a killing. The problem is that the logical conclusion of this &#8220;ferocity&#8221; (it sure as hell ain&#8217;t a philosophy) is that the turtle starves to death after killing all the frogs. The very idea that cooperation&#8217;s sole purpose is to manipulate the competition until you can destroy them is the epitome of stupidity. Perhaps, since the most agressive among us like this sort of thing, society and most humans will be destroyed. The &#8220;lucky&#8221; survivors will be surrounded by robots that perfectly mimic all the fantasies of the head bad ass human. If I were an alien and in my travels through the galaxy came upon such an interesting species, I think some behavior modification would be the order of the day.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike in Nola</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike in Nola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 03:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry I won&#039;t be able to share in the humor, but never read any of her stuff. Always wondered what it was about and now glad I never bothered. Too much good stuff out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry I won&#8217;t be able to share in the humor, but never read any of her stuff. Always wondered what it was about and now glad I never bothered. Too much good stuff out there.</p>
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		<title>By: KJ Foehr</title>
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		<dc:creator>KJ Foehr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 02:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mark E Hoffer 

My statement refers to the Middle Path of Buddhism, which I realize does not fit the conventional view of politics, where the predominant attitude is, as John Adams said “In politics the middle way is none at all.”  

But, I find the Middle Path works well in all aspects of life.  IMO, rigid ideologies will all eventually fail, just as the walker in the woods whose right foot is dominant will invariably stray off course circling to the right.  Only the walker whose steps are evenly balanced will reach his destination straight ahead.

I try to keep the balance this way: In the 1970s I felt we had strayed too far to the ideological left, so I voted for Reagan in 1980.  In 2008, I believe we had veered too far to the right, causing the current financial crisis and serious recession; therefore, I voted for Obama.  Thus, through this zigging and zagging over the long term we move down the middle path.  

Obviously this is a very inefficient way to do it, but in a dualistic world, where people divide everything into “this way” and “that way” or “this side” and “that side”, and then feel they must choose one side over the other, it is unavoidable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mark E Hoffer </p>
<p>My statement refers to the Middle Path of Buddhism, which I realize does not fit the conventional view of politics, where the predominant attitude is, as John Adams said “In politics the middle way is none at all.”  </p>
<p>But, I find the Middle Path works well in all aspects of life.  IMO, rigid ideologies will all eventually fail, just as the walker in the woods whose right foot is dominant will invariably stray off course circling to the right.  Only the walker whose steps are evenly balanced will reach his destination straight ahead.</p>
<p>I try to keep the balance this way: In the 1970s I felt we had strayed too far to the ideological left, so I voted for Reagan in 1980.  In 2008, I believe we had veered too far to the right, causing the current financial crisis and serious recession; therefore, I voted for Obama.  Thus, through this zigging and zagging over the long term we move down the middle path.  </p>
<p>Obviously this is a very inefficient way to do it, but in a dualistic world, where people divide everything into “this way” and “that way” or “this side” and “that side”, and then feel they must choose one side over the other, it is unavoidable.</p>
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