Comments on: A Challenge to Tim Geithner: Debate Me on the Bailout To Date and the Model of Political Economy that Should Apply Going Forward http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/12/a-challenge-to-tim-geithner-debate-me-on-the-bailout-to-date-and-the-model-of-political-economy-that-should-apply-going-forward/ Macro Perspective on the Capital Markets, Economy, Geopolitics, Technology, and Digital Media Sat, 21 Nov 2009 11:00:47 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Greg0658 http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/12/a-challenge-to-tim-geithner-debate-me-on-the-bailout-to-date-and-the-model-of-political-economy-that-should-apply-going-forward/comment-page-1/#comment-131461 Greg0658 Sun, 07 Dec 2008 22:52:41 +0000 http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/?p=11962#comment-131461 I've been following this thread in somewhat real time. More time today to keep clicking to the way back. I've seen you ChrisW on tv and think ya have a brain. This financial stuff is mind boggling and involves little me more and more seems. Not really my job to design this kinda stuff, but I guess it is. On the letter and open paste, I send stuff to CNBC sometimes and copypaste here too. Why waste 5 minutes of write on a airtime or forward editor ony. Ya gotta reach out with words / not bullets or swords. Can you believe how much airtime Joe the Plumber got (real name Sam). As an artist it confounds me how the big stream really works. It must be a club. Jewish maybe. Or Masonic. Or _____ist. I’ve been following this thread in somewhat real time. More time today to keep clicking to the way back.

I’ve seen you ChrisW on tv and think ya have a brain. This financial stuff is mind boggling and involves little me more and more seems. Not really my job to design this kinda stuff, but I guess it is.

On the letter and open paste, I send stuff to CNBC sometimes and copypaste here too. Why waste 5 minutes of write on a airtime or forward editor ony. Ya gotta reach out with words / not bullets or swords.

Can you believe how much airtime Joe the Plumber got (real name Sam). As an artist it confounds me how the big stream really works. It must be a club. Jewish maybe. Or Masonic. Or _____ist.

]]> By: Chris Whalen http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/12/a-challenge-to-tim-geithner-debate-me-on-the-bailout-to-date-and-the-model-of-political-economy-that-should-apply-going-forward/comment-page-1/#comment-131321 Chris Whalen Sun, 07 Dec 2008 12:45:05 +0000 http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/?p=11962#comment-131321 No, I was just in a bad mood yesterday. Sometimes writing about bad things every day is a bad thing. So I watched <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDJgPCNzt5E" rel="nofollow">Duck Soup</a> and felt better. Recall that in the begining of the film, the government of Freedonia is asking Mrs Teasdale for a loan in order to reduce taxes. Sound familiar? Apologies to the thread. As for me, I am a citizen. I happen to work for and own a piece of a company that rates financial institutions and builds risk management systems for auditors, banks and other b2b customers. I have been called a narcissist on this thread, but one man's narcissist is another man's good citizen. GIVE ME A NATION OF NARCISSISTS. My published works and other data are found here: http://www.rcwhalen.com/articles.asp My company site is a lot of fun too: http://us1.institutionalriskanalytics.com/www/index.asp Best, Chris No, I was just in a bad mood yesterday. Sometimes writing about bad things every day is a bad thing. So I watched Duck Soup and felt better. Recall that in the begining of the film, the government of Freedonia is asking Mrs Teasdale for a loan in order to reduce taxes. Sound familiar?

Apologies to the thread.

As for me, I am a citizen. I happen to work for and own a piece of a company that rates financial institutions and builds risk management systems for auditors, banks and other b2b customers. I have been called a narcissist on this thread, but one man’s narcissist is another man’s good citizen. GIVE ME A NATION OF NARCISSISTS.

My published works and other data are found here:
http://www.rcwhalen.com/articles.asp

My company site is a lot of fun too:
http://us1.institutionalriskanalytics.com/www/index.asp

Best,

Chris

]]> By: mkkby http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/12/a-challenge-to-tim-geithner-debate-me-on-the-bailout-to-date-and-the-model-of-political-economy-that-should-apply-going-forward/comment-page-1/#comment-131268 mkkby Sat, 06 Dec 2008 20:57:50 +0000 http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/?p=11962#comment-131268 BR, obviously from the comments, this offends your readers. Perhaps you could at least introduce your guests when they are not a household name. Chris is over sensitive to criticism. Instead of name calling, perhaps he can explain what qualifies him as an expert on this subject. BR, obviously from the comments, this offends your readers. Perhaps you could at least introduce your guests when they are not a household name.

Chris is over sensitive to criticism. Instead of name calling, perhaps he can explain what qualifies him as an expert on this subject.

]]> By: mkkby http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/12/a-challenge-to-tim-geithner-debate-me-on-the-bailout-to-date-and-the-model-of-political-economy-that-should-apply-going-forward/comment-page-1/#comment-131261 mkkby Sat, 06 Dec 2008 20:32:55 +0000 http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/?p=11962#comment-131261 No offense intended, but who is Chris Whalen, and why would a treasury secretary or anyone else take his bait? No offense intended, but who is Chris Whalen, and why would a treasury secretary or anyone else take his bait?

]]> By: Chris Whalen http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/12/a-challenge-to-tim-geithner-debate-me-on-the-bailout-to-date-and-the-model-of-political-economy-that-should-apply-going-forward/comment-page-1/#comment-131228 Chris Whalen Sat, 06 Dec 2008 17:15:27 +0000 http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/?p=11962#comment-131228 Thanks Moss. I prefer not to live on my knees. Do you ever challenge authority? Do you vote? I can understand your perspective if you have serious personality issues of your own. But it you are able, why don't you speak up? You prefer to just take this crap day after day from those in authority as they destroy our country? Is that your answer? I think we have become a nation of sheep who do not deserve the civil rights that we still have -- for now. Soon we will all live in a gringo version of the EU, where the government tells you what to think and when. Moss, is that the world you want? If not, then speak up. And to you BG, un fuerte abrazo! Thanks. Thanks Moss. I prefer not to live on my knees. Do you ever challenge authority? Do you vote? I can understand your perspective if you have serious personality issues of your own. But it you are able, why don’t you speak up? You prefer to just take this crap day after day from those in authority as they destroy our country? Is that your answer? I think we have become a nation of sheep who do not deserve the civil rights that we still have — for now. Soon we will all live in a gringo version of the EU, where the government tells you what to think and when.

Moss, is that the world you want? If not, then speak up.

And to you BG, un fuerte abrazo! Thanks.

]]> By: BG http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/12/a-challenge-to-tim-geithner-debate-me-on-the-bailout-to-date-and-the-model-of-political-economy-that-should-apply-going-forward/comment-page-1/#comment-131129 BG Sat, 06 Dec 2008 01:46:24 +0000 http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/?p=11962#comment-131129 Chris, I'm a financial layperson out here; but, I like what I see in you. Keep up the good work. Give us hope out here in the trenches. Good Luck!! Chris,

I’m a financial layperson out here; but, I like what I see in you.

Keep up the good work. Give us hope out here in the trenches.

Good Luck!!

]]> By: Moss http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/12/a-challenge-to-tim-geithner-debate-me-on-the-bailout-to-date-and-the-model-of-political-economy-that-should-apply-going-forward/comment-page-1/#comment-131127 Moss Sat, 06 Dec 2008 01:10:07 +0000 http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/?p=11962#comment-131127 Narcissistic personality disorder is a condition characterized by an inflated sense of self-importance, need for admiration, extreme self-involvement, and lack of empathy for others. Individuals with this disorder are usually arrogantly self-assured and confident. They expect to be noticed as superior. Many highly successful individuals might be considered narcissistic. However, this disorder is only diagnosed when these behaviors become persistent and very disabling or distressing. Narcissistic personality disorder is a condition characterized by an inflated sense of self-importance, need for admiration, extreme self-involvement, and lack of empathy for others. Individuals with this disorder are usually arrogantly self-assured and confident. They expect to be noticed as superior. Many highly successful individuals might be considered narcissistic. However, this disorder is only diagnosed when these behaviors become persistent and very disabling or distressing.

]]> By: TrickStar http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/12/a-challenge-to-tim-geithner-debate-me-on-the-bailout-to-date-and-the-model-of-political-economy-that-should-apply-going-forward/comment-page-1/#comment-131111 TrickStar Fri, 05 Dec 2008 23:25:28 +0000 http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/?p=11962#comment-131111 Chris - I hear you. I struggle with that reality everyday. The only elixir that I've found to work for me is some variety of humility and doggedness; and remembering that warm fuzzies get you farther than cold pricklies. Good luck. All the best, TrickStar Chris –

I hear you. I struggle with that reality everyday. The only elixir that I’ve found to work for me is some variety of humility and doggedness; and remembering that warm fuzzies get you farther than cold pricklies.

Good luck.

All the best,

TrickStar

]]> By: Chris Whalen http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/12/a-challenge-to-tim-geithner-debate-me-on-the-bailout-to-date-and-the-model-of-political-economy-that-should-apply-going-forward/comment-page-1/#comment-131108 Chris Whalen Fri, 05 Dec 2008 22:48:05 +0000 http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/?p=11962#comment-131108 Points well taken. It's a shame in our society that all of the defaults point to a zero probability of success in situations such as this where increasing risk exposure is at issue, not matter how you approached it. I always hope that all of our expectations are wrong and a surprise will occur. Chris Points well taken. It’s a shame in our society that all of the defaults point to a zero probability of success in situations such as this where increasing risk exposure is at issue, not matter how you approached it.

I always hope that all of our expectations are wrong and a surprise will occur.

Chris

]]> By: TrickStar http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/12/a-challenge-to-tim-geithner-debate-me-on-the-bailout-to-date-and-the-model-of-political-economy-that-should-apply-going-forward/comment-page-1/#comment-131106 TrickStar Fri, 05 Dec 2008 22:42:40 +0000 http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/?p=11962#comment-131106 Chris - Thank you for your note. I appreciate your willingness to speak up. Democracy functions better when dissenting opinions find a forum where they can be heard. We're fortunate to live in a place where that is usually the case. As for your comments directed toward me, I'm quite satisfied sticking with my limited level of credibility, rather than losing all of it by sending off a confrontational note, with a CC to the entire planet, to a public official who is in the midst of trying to keep the wheels on the wagon. If you're interest had been selfless, I would think you'd have devised a better plan than to socialize your ideas in a manner that someone might be receptive toward. Theoretical Return of winning the public debate with Tim = 100 Probability of Success (of participating in the debate after sending the above note) = 0.0% Expected Return = 0 Theoretical Return of meeting privately with Tim to discuss how you can volunteer your time = 50 Probability of Debate Occurring After Sending the Above note = 25% Expected Return = 12.5 As for my level of participation in the "game," I'm not aware that you have any data that would suggest I'm either in or out of the game. I don't know about you, but I get woozy drawing conclusions without data to support them. Best, TrickStar Chris –

Thank you for your note. I appreciate your willingness to speak up. Democracy functions better when dissenting opinions find a forum where they can be heard. We’re fortunate to live in a place where that is usually the case.

As for your comments directed toward me, I’m quite satisfied sticking with my limited level of credibility, rather than losing all of it by sending off a confrontational note, with a CC to the entire planet, to a public official who is in the midst of trying to keep the wheels on the wagon. If you’re interest had been selfless, I would think you’d have devised a better plan than to socialize your ideas in a manner that someone might be receptive toward.

Theoretical Return of winning the public debate with Tim = 100
Probability of Success (of participating in the debate after sending the above note) = 0.0%
Expected Return = 0

Theoretical Return of meeting privately with Tim to discuss how you can volunteer your time = 50
Probability of Debate Occurring After Sending the Above note = 25%
Expected Return = 12.5

As for my level of participation in the “game,” I’m not aware that you have any data that would suggest I’m either in or out of the game. I don’t know about you, but I get woozy drawing conclusions without data to support them.

Best,

TrickStar

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