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	<title>Comments on: Revenge of the Black Swan</title>
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		<title>By: Hernie</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/12/aig-free-money/comment-page-1/#comment-137795</link>
		<dc:creator>Hernie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 12:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Econophile: I have read a couple of Taleb&#039;s books and I share many of his ideas, they are really great... 

You are right, according to Taleb, &#039;08 crash was not a Black Swan but a Gray Swan, because it could be partially foreseen due to the huge risks being assumed by agencies such as Fannie and Freddie....

Here&#039;s more:

&quot;The Black Swan is a matter of perspective. A turkey is fed for 1,000 days - every day lulling it more and more into the feeling that the human feeders are acting in its best interest. Except that on the 1,001st day, the butcher shows up and there is a surprise. The surprise is for the turkey, not the butcher. Anyone who knows anything about the history of banking (or remembers the 1982 Latin American debt crisis or the 1990s savings and loan collapse) will tell you that the subprime crisis was so bound to happen. Banks are exposed to such blowups. Bankers have been the turkey, historically.&quot;

&quot;So I call these crises “gray swans.” I’ve been telling anyone willing to listen that banks have a tendency to sit on time bombs while convincing themselves that they are conservative and nonvolatile&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Econophile: I have read a couple of Taleb&#8217;s books and I share many of his ideas, they are really great&#8230; </p>
<p>You are right, according to Taleb, &#8216;08 crash was not a Black Swan but a Gray Swan, because it could be partially foreseen due to the huge risks being assumed by agencies such as Fannie and Freddie&#8230;.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s more:</p>
<p>&#8220;The Black Swan is a matter of perspective. A turkey is fed for 1,000 days &#8211; every day lulling it more and more into the feeling that the human feeders are acting in its best interest. Except that on the 1,001st day, the butcher shows up and there is a surprise. The surprise is for the turkey, not the butcher. Anyone who knows anything about the history of banking (or remembers the 1982 Latin American debt crisis or the 1990s savings and loan collapse) will tell you that the subprime crisis was so bound to happen. Banks are exposed to such blowups. Bankers have been the turkey, historically.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;So I call these crises “gray swans.” I’ve been telling anyone willing to listen that banks have a tendency to sit on time bombs while convincing themselves that they are conservative and nonvolatile&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: loan shark</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/12/aig-free-money/comment-page-1/#comment-136807</link>
		<dc:creator>loan shark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 17:35:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Insurance regulations were in place. Change the name of the product from default insurance to swaps and the regs didn&#039;t apply. Can you say regulatory failure?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Insurance regulations were in place. Change the name of the product from default insurance to swaps and the regs didn&#8217;t apply. Can you say regulatory failure?</p>
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		<title>By: Econophile</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/12/aig-free-money/comment-page-1/#comment-136707</link>
		<dc:creator>Econophile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 21:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Taleb says the Crash of &#039;08 was not a Black Swan because he and many others saw it coming.

I would be curious to know if any of the commentators here have read Taleb&#039;s books.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Taleb says the Crash of &#8216;08 was not a Black Swan because he and many others saw it coming.</p>
<p>I would be curious to know if any of the commentators here have read Taleb&#8217;s books.</p>
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		<title>By: dunnage</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/12/aig-free-money/comment-page-1/#comment-136550</link>
		<dc:creator>dunnage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 02:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Enough of this Black Swan crap.  

Real Estate has always been cyclical, as everybody knows.  A house in Riverside, Ca. depreciates and the system collapses -- there was no model and there was no blackbird.

Wage earners do not get a raise in 40 years while the world&#039;s players hybridize $.  Nothing is new.  We get the same people who done it, possibly trying to undone it by giving money to each other.  Nothing new.  Wall Street should&#039;ve  left a little meat on the bone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enough of this Black Swan crap.  </p>
<p>Real Estate has always been cyclical, as everybody knows.  A house in Riverside, Ca. depreciates and the system collapses &#8212; there was no model and there was no blackbird.</p>
<p>Wage earners do not get a raise in 40 years while the world&#8217;s players hybridize $.  Nothing is new.  We get the same people who done it, possibly trying to undone it by giving money to each other.  Nothing new.  Wall Street should&#8217;ve  left a little meat on the bone.</p>
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		<title>By: Human Powered</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/12/aig-free-money/comment-page-1/#comment-136496</link>
		<dc:creator>Human Powered</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 21:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>momus is exactly right.  Models can be exceptionally useful, but you really have to know what you&#039;re doing and the limitations.  With the short history available they should have known the model would only be valid within a narrow band of circumstances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>momus is exactly right.  Models can be exceptionally useful, but you really have to know what you&#8217;re doing and the limitations.  With the short history available they should have known the model would only be valid within a narrow band of circumstances.</p>
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		<title>By: leftback</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/12/aig-free-money/comment-page-1/#comment-136430</link>
		<dc:creator>leftback</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 18:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point AT. 

Are we going to break through 900-915 resistance zone in SPX??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point AT. </p>
<p>Are we going to break through 900-915 resistance zone in SPX??</p>
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		<title>By: momus</title>
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		<dc:creator>momus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 18:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The eminent statistician, George E P Box, once remarked, “all models are false, some are useful.”  Mathematicians and scientists know this; some engineers accept it; economists and MBAs do not seem to have a clue.  Welcome to the difference between interpolation and extrapolation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The eminent statistician, George E P Box, once remarked, “all models are false, some are useful.”  Mathematicians and scientists know this; some engineers accept it; economists and MBAs do not seem to have a clue.  Welcome to the difference between interpolation and extrapolation.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Tabbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Tabbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a nice three part series they have there.  I love it.  I wonder how many egg head &quot;quants&quot; out there are just sitting around mumbling to themselves:  &quot;It&#039;s not supposed to be like this...the models said....&quot;

99.85% chance of default??!!??  Did they really believe that crap?  There&#039;s NO TRADER in the world that would say ANYTHING is 99.85% certain....Amazing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a nice three part series they have there.  I love it.  I wonder how many egg head &#8220;quants&#8221; out there are just sitting around mumbling to themselves:  &#8220;It&#8217;s not supposed to be like this&#8230;the models said&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>99.85% chance of default??!!??  Did they really believe that crap?  There&#8217;s NO TRADER in the world that would say ANYTHING is 99.85% certain&#8230;.Amazing.</p>
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		<title>By: RW</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/12/aig-free-money/comment-page-1/#comment-136396</link>
		<dc:creator>RW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 16:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What Lars39 said: A Black Swan by definition is an event that can not be foreseen which is hardly an accurate characterization of anything that happened at AIG; they all were too busy swooning with their hands in the till while wanking on each other to care about anything but packing more of it in before the music stopped and that&#039;s just the way it played out, the ownly unpredictable element being how long they could get away with it (longer than most of them suspected I&#039;ll bet).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Lars39 said: A Black Swan by definition is an event that can not be foreseen which is hardly an accurate characterization of anything that happened at AIG; they all were too busy swooning with their hands in the till while wanking on each other to care about anything but packing more of it in before the music stopped and that&#8217;s just the way it played out, the ownly unpredictable element being how long they could get away with it (longer than most of them suspected I&#8217;ll bet).</p>
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		<title>By: leftback</title>
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		<dc:creator>leftback</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 15:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They are not walking the streets, they are in a building in Greenwich, getting retention bonuses, apparently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They are not walking the streets, they are in a building in Greenwich, getting retention bonuses, apparently.</p>
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