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		<title>By: Tulsaboyw</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/12/bush-administration-ignored-mortgage-meltdown-warnings/comment-page-2/#comment-133051</link>
		<dc:creator>Tulsaboyw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 23:19:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post is inccorect.

Bush didnt ignore it ...he was among the first to warn congress of fanny/freddy problems that would in turn create the &#039;mortgage meltdown mess&#039;...

So to blame bush for this instead of Franks, is foolish and is against the facts of  Franks continued refusal to allow reforms back in 2004/2005 to go ahead whcih would have kept the meltdown from happening.

Unfortunately too many tend to believe what they want to believe no matter what the facts are.
And even vote in the very people who cased the current problems by blocking reform efforts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post is inccorect.</p>
<p>Bush didnt ignore it &#8230;he was among the first to warn congress of fanny/freddy problems that would in turn create the &#8216;mortgage meltdown mess&#8217;&#8230;</p>
<p>So to blame bush for this instead of Franks, is foolish and is against the facts of  Franks continued refusal to allow reforms back in 2004/2005 to go ahead whcih would have kept the meltdown from happening.</p>
<p>Unfortunately too many tend to believe what they want to believe no matter what the facts are.<br />
And even vote in the very people who cased the current problems by blocking reform efforts.</p>
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		<title>By: Locus</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/12/bush-administration-ignored-mortgage-meltdown-warnings/comment-page-2/#comment-131390</link>
		<dc:creator>Locus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 17:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DeDude,

This will be my last post as I cannot afford to waste any more time here.

By late 2006 subprime lenders were already starting to drop like flies.  See http://ml-implode.com and check their time line.  So, by the time Ritholtz figured out which way was up the crisis was already underway and it was far too late to start fixing lax lending standards.  It is simply hypocritical of him to pontificate about what should have been done when he was equally clueless until it was too late.  There were people who did warn about this crisis years ago and they are the ones who have earned the right to say I-told-you-so. 

But check out this week&#039;s Barrons where Ritholtz brags &quot;I&#039;ve been the biggest bear on housing on the Street for four years now&quot;.  Late 2006 is two years ago not four years ago.  In 2005 Ritholtz was mocking the doomsayers.  In 2008 Ritholtz wants us to believe that he *was* one of the doomsayers.  B.R. is full of B.S.  I&#039;d take handgun safety advice from Plaxico Burress before I&#039;d take economic advice from Barry Ritholtz.

Good Luck to You</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DeDude,</p>
<p>This will be my last post as I cannot afford to waste any more time here.</p>
<p>By late 2006 subprime lenders were already starting to drop like flies.  See <a href="http://ml-implode.com" rel="nofollow">http://ml-implode.com</a> and check their time line.  So, by the time Ritholtz figured out which way was up the crisis was already underway and it was far too late to start fixing lax lending standards.  It is simply hypocritical of him to pontificate about what should have been done when he was equally clueless until it was too late.  There were people who did warn about this crisis years ago and they are the ones who have earned the right to say I-told-you-so. </p>
<p>But check out this week&#8217;s Barrons where Ritholtz brags &#8220;I&#8217;ve been the biggest bear on housing on the Street for four years now&#8221;.  Late 2006 is two years ago not four years ago.  In 2005 Ritholtz was mocking the doomsayers.  In 2008 Ritholtz wants us to believe that he *was* one of the doomsayers.  B.R. is full of B.S.  I&#8217;d take handgun safety advice from Plaxico Burress before I&#8217;d take economic advice from Barry Ritholtz.</p>
<p>Good Luck to You</p>
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		<title>By: RobG</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/12/bush-administration-ignored-mortgage-meltdown-warnings/comment-page-2/#comment-130944</link>
		<dc:creator>RobG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 16:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dedude - do you believe in free markets?   Did Clinton do anything about the Internet bubble? be fair my friend...how can the govt control housing prices and why shoulod they?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dedude &#8211; do you believe in free markets?   Did Clinton do anything about the Internet bubble? be fair my friend&#8230;how can the govt control housing prices and why shoulod they?</p>
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		<title>By: DeDude</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/12/bush-administration-ignored-mortgage-meltdown-warnings/comment-page-2/#comment-130905</link>
		<dc:creator>DeDude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 14:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Locus; So you are blaming Barry that he in a May 2005 article did not head the warning that Paris Welch send to US regulators in January 2006?  However, Barry was spot on when he said that the May 2005 prices could be as much as 35% overvalued.  We are still far from 35% below the 2005 values but we could get there.  Barry doesn’t have a million bureaucrats that he can tell to keep a close eye on things that could become a big problem.  So I expect a lot more both in early prediction and early intervention (and being more prescient) from the president of this nation than from Barry.  We are completely in agreement that a boubble clearly developed after Barry wrote that article in May 2005 and it came to the point where any idiot could see it (although the Bush administration continued to deny it).  Look through some of Barry’s postings on real estate from late 2006, then compare what he said about real estate at that time, and what the administration said.  It is pathetic that, at a time when even a small fry like Barry can see and predict the s**t that was coming, the administration still had its head in the sand.  What Barry didn’t foresee in May 2005 was that the administration could be so mind-numbing incompetent that they would let a 25-35% overvaluation in housing prices and outrageously irresponsible loan practices develop further, without them as much as lifting an eyebrow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Locus; So you are blaming Barry that he in a May 2005 article did not head the warning that Paris Welch send to US regulators in January 2006?  However, Barry was spot on when he said that the May 2005 prices could be as much as 35% overvalued.  We are still far from 35% below the 2005 values but we could get there.  Barry doesn’t have a million bureaucrats that he can tell to keep a close eye on things that could become a big problem.  So I expect a lot more both in early prediction and early intervention (and being more prescient) from the president of this nation than from Barry.  We are completely in agreement that a boubble clearly developed after Barry wrote that article in May 2005 and it came to the point where any idiot could see it (although the Bush administration continued to deny it).  Look through some of Barry’s postings on real estate from late 2006, then compare what he said about real estate at that time, and what the administration said.  It is pathetic that, at a time when even a small fry like Barry can see and predict the s**t that was coming, the administration still had its head in the sand.  What Barry didn’t foresee in May 2005 was that the administration could be so mind-numbing incompetent that they would let a 25-35% overvaluation in housing prices and outrageously irresponsible loan practices develop further, without them as much as lifting an eyebrow.</p>
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		<title>By: RobG</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/12/bush-administration-ignored-mortgage-meltdown-warnings/comment-page-2/#comment-130890</link>
		<dc:creator>RobG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 13:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dedude - keep sipping that koolaid my friend! Take off the blinders...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dedude &#8211; keep sipping that koolaid my friend! Take off the blinders&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Locus</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/12/bush-administration-ignored-mortgage-meltdown-warnings/comment-page-2/#comment-130829</link>
		<dc:creator>Locus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 02:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DeDude,

I provided sufficient information for anyone to find the article in question in about thirty seconds using Google.  I&#039;m sorry if that was a hardship for you.

Are you honestly contending that we haven&#039;t experienced a bubble because house prices have not fallen by the magic number of eighty percent?  Countrywide, Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers, Citigroup, TARP, AIG, hundreds of billions in writedowns, an avalanche of layoffs and we still can&#039;t call it the housing bubble?  Look at the title of the blog entry that created this thread, &quot;Bush WH Ignored Mortgage Meltdown Warnings&quot;.  What exactly is the difference between a bubble and a meltdown?  If 2000-2002 was a bubble in collapse what would you call the situation today?  I would call it a great deal worse that a bubble.

And that was my point.  Ritholtz said that house prices *might* fall by up to 35% but didn&#039;t think that was as serious a situation as the bursting of the Internet bubble.  He didn&#039;t forsee that a decline in home prices would trigger a massive crisis.  He didn&#039;t call for more regulation to rein in the financial cowboys who were running amuck in the mortgage market.  In that regard he was no more prescient than the administration that he now so bitterly condemns.  Instead he poked a little fun at the doomsayers who in retrospect understood the danger far better than he did.  So please forgive me, but with that article Ritholtz forfeited his right to act holier-than-thou.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DeDude,</p>
<p>I provided sufficient information for anyone to find the article in question in about thirty seconds using Google.  I&#8217;m sorry if that was a hardship for you.</p>
<p>Are you honestly contending that we haven&#8217;t experienced a bubble because house prices have not fallen by the magic number of eighty percent?  Countrywide, Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers, Citigroup, TARP, AIG, hundreds of billions in writedowns, an avalanche of layoffs and we still can&#8217;t call it the housing bubble?  Look at the title of the blog entry that created this thread, &#8220;Bush WH Ignored Mortgage Meltdown Warnings&#8221;.  What exactly is the difference between a bubble and a meltdown?  If 2000-2002 was a bubble in collapse what would you call the situation today?  I would call it a great deal worse that a bubble.</p>
<p>And that was my point.  Ritholtz said that house prices *might* fall by up to 35% but didn&#8217;t think that was as serious a situation as the bursting of the Internet bubble.  He didn&#8217;t forsee that a decline in home prices would trigger a massive crisis.  He didn&#8217;t call for more regulation to rein in the financial cowboys who were running amuck in the mortgage market.  In that regard he was no more prescient than the administration that he now so bitterly condemns.  Instead he poked a little fun at the doomsayers who in retrospect understood the danger far better than he did.  So please forgive me, but with that article Ritholtz forfeited his right to act holier-than-thou.</p>
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		<title>By: DeDude</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/12/bush-administration-ignored-mortgage-meltdown-warnings/comment-page-2/#comment-130760</link>
		<dc:creator>DeDude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RobG; I am going to have to stop here because my attempts at having a reality based debate appears to only be meet with a (more or less on-topic) rambling of neo-con talking points.  It seems a waste of time for both of us.  Take care, and may your life kick a$$ before life kicks you in the a$$.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RobG; I am going to have to stop here because my attempts at having a reality based debate appears to only be meet with a (more or less on-topic) rambling of neo-con talking points.  It seems a waste of time for both of us.  Take care, and may your life kick a$$ before life kicks you in the a$$.</p>
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		<title>By: RobG</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/12/bush-administration-ignored-mortgage-meltdown-warnings/comment-page-2/#comment-130749</link>
		<dc:creator>RobG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yep thought so...please do tell which media outlets are &quot;right wing&quot; media? I HOPE you dont say NYT, NBC CBS etc...the ONLY media outlet close to right wing is Fox news but they are the ONLY one that presents BOTH sides!!  

Fairness Doctrine SUPPRESSES FREE SPEECH!  Air America has proven no one wants to listen to Rachel Maddow and others...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yep thought so&#8230;please do tell which media outlets are &#8220;right wing&#8221; media? I HOPE you dont say NYT, NBC CBS etc&#8230;the ONLY media outlet close to right wing is Fox news but they are the ONLY one that presents BOTH sides!!  </p>
<p>Fairness Doctrine SUPPRESSES FREE SPEECH!  Air America has proven no one wants to listen to Rachel Maddow and others&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: DeDude</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/12/bush-administration-ignored-mortgage-meltdown-warnings/comment-page-2/#comment-130706</link>
		<dc:creator>DeDude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 19:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, we should reinstate the Fairness Doctrine.  But that is only one of several steps (as outlined above) needed to reestablish the availability of information that lies outside of the right wings messages of the day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, we should reinstate the Fairness Doctrine.  But that is only one of several steps (as outlined above) needed to reestablish the availability of information that lies outside of the right wings messages of the day.</p>
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		<title>By: DeDude</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/12/bush-administration-ignored-mortgage-meltdown-warnings/comment-page-2/#comment-130705</link>
		<dc:creator>DeDude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 19:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With the help of a constant false cry of &quot;liberal media&quot;, the corporate owners have pushed editors of previously balanced and fact-based media, to the right.  And that is where we today have only right wing media; and extreme right-wingers are crying that rags like NY Times are “liberal” because they are not right wing enough.

(sorry a about the many posts I am having some kind of filter problem)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With the help of a constant false cry of &#8220;liberal media&#8221;, the corporate owners have pushed editors of previously balanced and fact-based media, to the right.  And that is where we today have only right wing media; and extreme right-wingers are crying that rags like NY Times are “liberal” because they are not right wing enough.</p>
<p>(sorry a about the many posts I am having some kind of filter problem)</p>
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