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	<title>Comments on: For Sale: 5 BR Detroit Manse, $8995</title>
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		<title>By: matt wilbert</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/12/for-sale-5-br-detroit-manse-8995/comment-page-1/#comment-136559</link>
		<dc:creator>matt wilbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 03:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can understand why people wouldn&#039;t want to buy a house in Detroit.  I can understand why people wouldn&#039;t want to live in Detroit.   However, people who want to comment about it should try to be accurate.  The &quot;local&quot; Barry quotes doesn&#039;t seem to understand where this house is--it isn&#039;t particularly near the old GM HQ, nor is it between Woodward and the freeway--it is on the wrong side of the Lodge freeway about a half-block from 12th street, the epicenter of the &#039;67 riots.  There are some nice houses over there, but that house is nothing special by Detroit standards, and the neighborhood isn&#039;t particularly good.

The Detroit area and Detroit in particular have way too much housing.  Unsurprisingly, some of that housing is really cheap.  That doesn&#039;t mean it can&#039;t get cheaper, and it certainly means that a lot of neighborhoods are essentially going to be abandoned.  It also doesn&#039;t mean that the city is going to disappear--I think that is very unlikely.  But it is very likely to shrink a lot more, but probably not in a uniform fashion--it has been anything but uniform up until now.  There will be winners and losers, and as with any investment you want to spot the winners.  A lot of buildings in Detroit are more like options than actual properties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can understand why people wouldn&#8217;t want to buy a house in Detroit.  I can understand why people wouldn&#8217;t want to live in Detroit.   However, people who want to comment about it should try to be accurate.  The &#8220;local&#8221; Barry quotes doesn&#8217;t seem to understand where this house is&#8211;it isn&#8217;t particularly near the old GM HQ, nor is it between Woodward and the freeway&#8211;it is on the wrong side of the Lodge freeway about a half-block from 12th street, the epicenter of the &#8216;67 riots.  There are some nice houses over there, but that house is nothing special by Detroit standards, and the neighborhood isn&#8217;t particularly good.</p>
<p>The Detroit area and Detroit in particular have way too much housing.  Unsurprisingly, some of that housing is really cheap.  That doesn&#8217;t mean it can&#8217;t get cheaper, and it certainly means that a lot of neighborhoods are essentially going to be abandoned.  It also doesn&#8217;t mean that the city is going to disappear&#8211;I think that is very unlikely.  But it is very likely to shrink a lot more, but probably not in a uniform fashion&#8211;it has been anything but uniform up until now.  There will be winners and losers, and as with any investment you want to spot the winners.  A lot of buildings in Detroit are more like options than actual properties.</p>
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		<title>By: bobb</title>
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		<dc:creator>bobb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 00:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Detroit is on an irreversible course to ruin.  There is a reason why people visit the ruins of Rome and Athens, those cities died and then were rebuilt.  When GM and Chrysler finally go bankrupt, then you&#039;ll see the beginning of the end for Detroit... the sports teams will leave as will Ford and any other business in the area.  A good idea would be to turn the city into a nature preserve after all of the houses have been razed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Detroit is on an irreversible course to ruin.  There is a reason why people visit the ruins of Rome and Athens, those cities died and then were rebuilt.  When GM and Chrysler finally go bankrupt, then you&#8217;ll see the beginning of the end for Detroit&#8230; the sports teams will leave as will Ford and any other business in the area.  A good idea would be to turn the city into a nature preserve after all of the houses have been razed.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry Ritholtz</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/12/for-sale-5-br-detroit-manse-8995/comment-page-1/#comment-136404</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry Ritholtz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;via a local:
&lt;/em&gt;
Regarding your post on the Detroit Mansion I thought I would share a few things given that I grew up across the river in Windsor, Canada and now reside here in Lansing Michigan. The home sits in the shadow of the old GM HQ&#039;s and is where the executives and monied families of Motown lived. The homes there are spectacular to say the least, like you have been in a time machine. 

That said. 2 blocks east is the interstate and 2 blocks west is Woodward Ave containing an assortment of burned out, boarded up and blighted storefronts. Oh and the liquor store. Unfortunately since the riots and Coleman Young the fate was sealed. 

Also many of these homes were gutted for their ornate fixtures etc. which now that the horse has left the barn is illegal. 

The caption should read, Prisoner in Your own 5 BR home for only $8995. 

Hope all is well and all the best for the holidays and New Year to you and your family.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>via a local:<br />
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Regarding your post on the Detroit Mansion I thought I would share a few things given that I grew up across the river in Windsor, Canada and now reside here in Lansing Michigan. The home sits in the shadow of the old GM HQ&#8217;s and is where the executives and monied families of Motown lived. The homes there are spectacular to say the least, like you have been in a time machine. </p>
<p>That said. 2 blocks east is the interstate and 2 blocks west is Woodward Ave containing an assortment of burned out, boarded up and blighted storefronts. Oh and the liquor store. Unfortunately since the riots and Coleman Young the fate was sealed. </p>
<p>Also many of these homes were gutted for their ornate fixtures etc. which now that the horse has left the barn is illegal. </p>
<p>The caption should read, Prisoner in Your own 5 BR home for only $8995. </p>
<p>Hope all is well and all the best for the holidays and New Year to you and your family.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark E Hoffer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark E Hoffer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 12:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CJ:

to your point, see:

“The real menace of our republic is this invisible government which like a giant octopus sprawls its slimy length over city, state and nation. Like the octopus of real life, it operates under cover of a self created screen….At the head of this octopus are the Rockefeller Standard Oil interests and a small group of powerful banking houses generally referred to as international bankers. The little coterie of powerful international bankers virtually runs the United States government for their own selfish purposes. They practically control both political parties.” — New York City Mayor John F. Hylan, 1922

sometimes, when it&#039;s woven into the Fabric, one doesn&#039;t comment on every thread..

like this:
http://www.icerocket.com/search?tab=web&amp;fr=h&amp;q=AIG+CIA

in re: nearby thread..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CJ:</p>
<p>to your point, see:</p>
<p>“The real menace of our republic is this invisible government which like a giant octopus sprawls its slimy length over city, state and nation. Like the octopus of real life, it operates under cover of a self created screen….At the head of this octopus are the Rockefeller Standard Oil interests and a small group of powerful banking houses generally referred to as international bankers. The little coterie of powerful international bankers virtually runs the United States government for their own selfish purposes. They practically control both political parties.” — New York City Mayor John F. Hylan, 1922</p>
<p>sometimes, when it&#8217;s woven into the Fabric, one doesn&#8217;t comment on every thread..</p>
<p>like this:<br />
<a href="http://www.icerocket.com/search?tab=web&amp;fr=h&amp;q=AIG+CIA" rel="nofollow">http://www.icerocket.com/search?tab=web&amp;fr=h&amp;q=AIG+CIA</a></p>
<p>in re: nearby thread..</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Kenneth Noisewater</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/12/for-sale-5-br-detroit-manse-8995/comment-page-1/#comment-136333</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Kenneth Noisewater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 06:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;That is why I am all the more amazed at some of the unworldliness and political naivete of some otherwise very intelligent and savvy posters. Do they never get out of New York?&lt;/i&gt;

There&#039;s a reason why &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.graphicsoptimization.com/blog/wp-includes/images/go_examples/2007_11/NewYorker1976-03-29cover.png&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this classic New Yorker cover&lt;/a&gt; is as funny as it is...  

Then again, after riding cross country earlier this year (recapitulating a childhood family trip solo) I found that many places were pretty darned homogenous, but at least the folks were friendly (especially when I ran into trouble out of ATT Wireless range :p)..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>That is why I am all the more amazed at some of the unworldliness and political naivete of some otherwise very intelligent and savvy posters. Do they never get out of New York?</i></p>
<p>There&#8217;s a reason why <a href="http://www.graphicsoptimization.com/blog/wp-includes/images/go_examples/2007_11/NewYorker1976-03-29cover.png" rel="nofollow">this classic New Yorker cover</a> is as funny as it is&#8230;  </p>
<p>Then again, after riding cross country earlier this year (recapitulating a childhood family trip solo) I found that many places were pretty darned homogenous, but at least the folks were friendly (especially when I ran into trouble out of ATT Wireless range :p)..</p>
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		<title>By: CJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>CJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 06:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@AGG said:

&lt;i&gt;&quot;.. looks quite nice (lots of foliage and big yards).&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

ROFLMAO. There&#039;s lots of foliage because Detroit is returning to nature as civilization collapses. Check it out &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.detroitblog.org/?p=287&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. Some pictures really are better than a thousand words.

Why is this place going for $9K? Because you&#039;d be crazy to go there unarmed, and preferably with bulletproof clothing and your own security detail, that&#039;s why. And if you managed that, then you&#039;re dealing with a city government that is essentially a crime syndicate. Plus the line on the prospectus that says &lt;b&gt;School District: DETROIT&lt;/b&gt; - surely that speaks for itself. Hey, there are literally millions of middle-class people in southeastern Michigan who are passing on this deal.

I discovered this blog about a year ago, and that discovery literally saved me a bundle. It was what I read on here that finally prompted me to get almost all my money out of stocks last spring. I am seriously grateful, both to the proprietor and to many of the commenters. That is why I am all the more amazed at some of the unworldliness and political naivete of some otherwise very intelligent and savvy posters. Do they never get out of New York?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@AGG said:</p>
<p><i>&#8220;.. looks quite nice (lots of foliage and big yards).&#8221;</i></p>
<p>ROFLMAO. There&#8217;s lots of foliage because Detroit is returning to nature as civilization collapses. Check it out <a href="http://www.detroitblog.org/?p=287" rel="nofollow">here</a>. Some pictures really are better than a thousand words.</p>
<p>Why is this place going for $9K? Because you&#8217;d be crazy to go there unarmed, and preferably with bulletproof clothing and your own security detail, that&#8217;s why. And if you managed that, then you&#8217;re dealing with a city government that is essentially a crime syndicate. Plus the line on the prospectus that says <b>School District: DETROIT</b> &#8211; surely that speaks for itself. Hey, there are literally millions of middle-class people in southeastern Michigan who are passing on this deal.</p>
<p>I discovered this blog about a year ago, and that discovery literally saved me a bundle. It was what I read on here that finally prompted me to get almost all my money out of stocks last spring. I am seriously grateful, both to the proprietor and to many of the commenters. That is why I am all the more amazed at some of the unworldliness and political naivete of some otherwise very intelligent and savvy posters. Do they never get out of New York?</p>
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		<title>By: How the Common Man Sees It</title>
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		<dc:creator>How the Common Man Sees It</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 03:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where was I reading recently that the average house price in Detroit now was $18K? That&#039;s getting mighty low</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where was I reading recently that the average house price in Detroit now was $18K? That&#8217;s getting mighty low</p>
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		<title>By: bcasey</title>
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		<dc:creator>bcasey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 03:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I figured it won&#039;t be long until the rats from the sinking ship of New York would turn their eyes this way.
And of course they would first be interested in mansions. Welcome to Detroit! You might have to say hi or bye to the people you meet, or at least make eye contact. After that, you are on your own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I figured it won&#8217;t be long until the rats from the sinking ship of New York would turn their eyes this way.<br />
And of course they would first be interested in mansions. Welcome to Detroit! You might have to say hi or bye to the people you meet, or at least make eye contact. After that, you are on your own.</p>
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		<title>By: aerodynamichaircut</title>
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		<dc:creator>aerodynamichaircut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 02:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Something sounds screwy with that one.  Maybe its high levels of radon gas, the land sinking, presence of  pestering ghosts... or a rash of weird crime lately, like leaving a pair of Lions football tickets on your car dashboard one evening only to discover the next morning that somebody smashed the car window and broke in-  and left another pair for you....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something sounds screwy with that one.  Maybe its high levels of radon gas, the land sinking, presence of  pestering ghosts&#8230; or a rash of weird crime lately, like leaving a pair of Lions football tickets on your car dashboard one evening only to discover the next morning that somebody smashed the car window and broke in-  and left another pair for you&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: JustinTheSkeptic</title>
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		<dc:creator>JustinTheSkeptic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So I see that they are going to grow the grass even taller in MowTown...(big bailout again), can we begin the coutdown?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I see that they are going to grow the grass even taller in MowTown&#8230;(big bailout again), can we begin the coutdown?</p>
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