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		<title>By: Hantra</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/12/minimum-pricing-battle/comment-page-1/#comment-131594</link>
		<dc:creator>Hantra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 19:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@  marka 

The United States Supreme Court struck that down last year.  The practice is not only legal, but it&#039;s supported by 5 of 9 Supreme Court justices.  As is forcibly seizing your private property for commercial use.  God help us.</description>
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<p>The United States Supreme Court struck that down last year.  The practice is not only legal, but it&#8217;s supported by 5 of 9 Supreme Court justices.  As is forcibly seizing your private property for commercial use.  God help us.</p>
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		<title>By: Dervin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dervin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 15:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mark mchugh Says: Hasn’t Apple done an admirable job of controlling, it’s image, pricing (and profits) by controlling its’ resellers?

I wonder if there are more independent Apple Shops out there than independent Generic PC retail shops? (It&#039;s freakish to see how Tekserve in NYC has grown from a few guys on the second floor in a nondiscript building on 23rd street with a 10 cent old time coke machine (working!) to the glorious yet superficial place that it is today. 

Protecting the Mom and Pop stores makes sense for any high end manufacturer.  Apple was getting screwed by CompUSA and other major computer stores. 

It just makes sense for the high end manufactures to avoid having their products turn into commodities. I mean it makes sense in the short run (HP, Compaq, Gateway, Micron, and Dell) but in the long run, when Price is the only thing that matters, somebody is going to beat you at your game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mark mchugh Says: Hasn’t Apple done an admirable job of controlling, it’s image, pricing (and profits) by controlling its’ resellers?</p>
<p>I wonder if there are more independent Apple Shops out there than independent Generic PC retail shops? (It&#8217;s freakish to see how Tekserve in NYC has grown from a few guys on the second floor in a nondiscript building on 23rd street with a 10 cent old time coke machine (working!) to the glorious yet superficial place that it is today. </p>
<p>Protecting the Mom and Pop stores makes sense for any high end manufacturer.  Apple was getting screwed by CompUSA and other major computer stores. </p>
<p>It just makes sense for the high end manufactures to avoid having their products turn into commodities. I mean it makes sense in the short run (HP, Compaq, Gateway, Micron, and Dell) but in the long run, when Price is the only thing that matters, somebody is going to beat you at your game.</p>
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		<title>By: Che Stadium</title>
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		<dc:creator>Che Stadium</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 02:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Have price controls ever worked?&quot;

The oil companies have been lowering their prices incessantly since  &quot;unconscionably excessive&quot; gas prices were banned by congress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Have price controls ever worked?&#8221;</p>
<p>The oil companies have been lowering their prices incessantly since  &#8220;unconscionably excessive&#8221; gas prices were banned by congress.</p>
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		<title>By: R. Timm</title>
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		<dc:creator>R. Timm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 15:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barry,  I think for the products you mentioned deflation is nothing new.   I have observed that deflation for technology products actually slows during recession.

Would this prohibit manufacturer&#039;s from setting a maximum price for their products as they currently do?  Remember the Wii being purchased for $250 then sold on ebay for $500 last Christmas?  Are we to let retailers like Best Buy jack up the price to $500, ruining the marketing plans for Nintendo who rely on adoption of their game console by a certain market segment in order to sell games and peripherals?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barry,  I think for the products you mentioned deflation is nothing new.   I have observed that deflation for technology products actually slows during recession.</p>
<p>Would this prohibit manufacturer&#8217;s from setting a maximum price for their products as they currently do?  Remember the Wii being purchased for $250 then sold on ebay for $500 last Christmas?  Are we to let retailers like Best Buy jack up the price to $500, ruining the marketing plans for Nintendo who rely on adoption of their game console by a certain market segment in order to sell games and peripherals?</p>
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		<title>By: marka</title>
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		<dc:creator>marka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 07:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting I never knew this was the case in the USA as in Australia this is illegeal 

Resale price maintenance involves a supplier setting or seeking to set a minimum price below which its retailers cannot sell, advertise, display, or offer goods for sale. It is prohibited by section 48 of the Trade Practices Act 1974. 

and even small players get caught out check out the legal notice at www.oobi.com.au 

the funny thing is that i love shopping in the States becauses its almost always less expensive!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting I never knew this was the case in the USA as in Australia this is illegeal </p>
<p>Resale price maintenance involves a supplier setting or seeking to set a minimum price below which its retailers cannot sell, advertise, display, or offer goods for sale. It is prohibited by section 48 of the Trade Practices Act 1974. </p>
<p>and even small players get caught out check out the legal notice at <a href="http://www.oobi.com.au" rel="nofollow">http://www.oobi.com.au</a> </p>
<p>the funny thing is that i love shopping in the States becauses its almost always less expensive!</p>
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		<title>By: mark mchugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>mark mchugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 04:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hasn&#039;t Apple done an admirable job of controlling, it&#039;s image, pricing (and profits) by controlling its&#039; resellers?</description>
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		<title>By: hangtime79</title>
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		<dc:creator>hangtime79</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 04:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All of these responses from manufacturers are a smokescreen. The true reason why manufacturers like MAPs is VOLUME. If everyone has to sell at the same price then everyone will want to put the product inventory on the off chance someone will purchase it. Both the big retailer and the small mom and pop both buy from the manufacturer driving its volume. Its not about customers or pricing, its about stuffing the channel.

Three things:

1. The manufacturer can choose to sell or not to sell to the retailer that&#039;s there choice, but what they retailer does afterwards is none of the manufacturer&#039;s business. This is like the manufacturer dictating what a consumer can and cannot do with the item after its purchased. Fundamentally, I believe my rights begin and yours end at the point of transaction.

2. If the manufacturer wants a better experience for its customers, it can build them and people will come. Apple, Sony, Nokia all have stores where you can buy their gadgets. Of course, these manufacturers will be bound by the retail economics. I had a shoe retailer ask me once why Nike would not want to open a 1000 stores in China and I told him look at the income statement. Nike&#039;s margins are 45%, yours are 10 - 15% - investors don&#039;t pay outrageous multiples for 10 - 15% margin.

3. Business plans. Not everyone has the same. Some are built on small selection, low margin, large volume product and some are built on niche products, large margins, and small volumes. The market will ultimately find which one it likes and MAPs just distort this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All of these responses from manufacturers are a smokescreen. The true reason why manufacturers like MAPs is VOLUME. If everyone has to sell at the same price then everyone will want to put the product inventory on the off chance someone will purchase it. Both the big retailer and the small mom and pop both buy from the manufacturer driving its volume. Its not about customers or pricing, its about stuffing the channel.</p>
<p>Three things:</p>
<p>1. The manufacturer can choose to sell or not to sell to the retailer that&#8217;s there choice, but what they retailer does afterwards is none of the manufacturer&#8217;s business. This is like the manufacturer dictating what a consumer can and cannot do with the item after its purchased. Fundamentally, I believe my rights begin and yours end at the point of transaction.</p>
<p>2. If the manufacturer wants a better experience for its customers, it can build them and people will come. Apple, Sony, Nokia all have stores where you can buy their gadgets. Of course, these manufacturers will be bound by the retail economics. I had a shoe retailer ask me once why Nike would not want to open a 1000 stores in China and I told him look at the income statement. Nike&#8217;s margins are 45%, yours are 10 &#8211; 15% &#8211; investors don&#8217;t pay outrageous multiples for 10 &#8211; 15% margin.</p>
<p>3. Business plans. Not everyone has the same. Some are built on small selection, low margin, large volume product and some are built on niche products, large margins, and small volumes. The market will ultimately find which one it likes and MAPs just distort this.</p>
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		<title>By: mark mchugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>mark mchugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 03:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just one more thought about this MAP thing.  We&#039;ve all seen Wal-Mart, Home Depot, etc. crush smaller competition into oblivion with nothing more than lower prices, right?

I get this sick feeling that someday we&#039;re going to be having a discussion about how Wal-Mart is too big to fail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just one more thought about this MAP thing.  We&#8217;ve all seen Wal-Mart, Home Depot, etc. crush smaller competition into oblivion with nothing more than lower prices, right?</p>
<p>I get this sick feeling that someday we&#8217;re going to be having a discussion about how Wal-Mart is too big to fail.</p>
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		<title>By: Gabriel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gabriel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 00:57:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. Oligopoly practices are back in action. I think it was already covered by Sherman Act and later on by Clayton Act - or perhaps they addressed monopolies only - don&#039;t remember.

2. Anti-dumping issues are raised by the smaller disadvantaged entities, not the giants. In this case giants are trying to deflect the market pressure on prices (deflation).

3. We cannot mix service with the product. If I want better service, I go to a better store with the same product selling for a little premium in price.

Now, why does the manufacturer care how much minimum profit margin their resellers must maintain? What if Santa Claus keeps buying their products, distributing them for free? Will they go after him too? (Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus.) They should control their own prices at which they sell to the resellers and the resellers are smart enough to chart their own course. Let the free markets rule! Protectionism can not, has not, and will not work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. Oligopoly practices are back in action. I think it was already covered by Sherman Act and later on by Clayton Act &#8211; or perhaps they addressed monopolies only &#8211; don&#8217;t remember.</p>
<p>2. Anti-dumping issues are raised by the smaller disadvantaged entities, not the giants. In this case giants are trying to deflect the market pressure on prices (deflation).</p>
<p>3. We cannot mix service with the product. If I want better service, I go to a better store with the same product selling for a little premium in price.</p>
<p>Now, why does the manufacturer care how much minimum profit margin their resellers must maintain? What if Santa Claus keeps buying their products, distributing them for free? Will they go after him too? (Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus.) They should control their own prices at which they sell to the resellers and the resellers are smart enough to chart their own course. Let the free markets rule! Protectionism can not, has not, and will not work.</p>
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		<title>By: Winston Munn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Winston Munn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 00:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have price controls ever worked?</description>
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