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		<title>By: callawar</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/12/obama-approval-poll/comment-page-2/#comment-136025</link>
		<dc:creator>callawar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 14:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>devil_futility Says:  However, I do not find George Bush very culpable for the current economic situation.... 

Well, that statement does  surprise me.  Many economists have been sounding the alarm for years about the impending disaster which has befallen the world.  What W and company did was simply ignore the writing on the wall and not listen to outside counsel.  There are too many examples where Bush wanted bad news pushed under the rug because we all know -- markets correct themselves.  A clear example of Ws culpability was his shifting all federal resources to the war on terror and posting low prosecutions against Wall Street criminals as a result.  Look at the SEC recent actions in regards to the Madoff scandal, since this is fresh on everyone&#039;s mind.  The SEC ignored the warning signs for years that this guy was running a massive stealing scheme.   How could this be missed?  It goes back to W -- markets correct themselves.  These governmental agencies such as the SEC are suppose to protect the public&#039;s interest against monsters such as Madoff.  Remember what Paulson was saying just before September 08.  The market fundamentals are sound.  Paulson is Ws Secretary of Treasury.  Ws gang are so tied to ideology that it was only until Lehman Bros finally collapsed that they came to grips on reality, too little, too late.  Before Sep 08, Paulson blamed borrowers for much of the calamity in the mortgage market because, they walked away from their obligations.   He trotted out several failed programs to help home owners but each one was skewed in favor of the predatory lenders so they were doomed before they went to press.  Had W hired pragmatic people within the Administration this financial nightmare would have been less severe.  W has been an absolute failure and was intentionally asleep at the switch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>devil_futility Says:  However, I do not find George Bush very culpable for the current economic situation&#8230;. </p>
<p>Well, that statement does  surprise me.  Many economists have been sounding the alarm for years about the impending disaster which has befallen the world.  What W and company did was simply ignore the writing on the wall and not listen to outside counsel.  There are too many examples where Bush wanted bad news pushed under the rug because we all know &#8212; markets correct themselves.  A clear example of Ws culpability was his shifting all federal resources to the war on terror and posting low prosecutions against Wall Street criminals as a result.  Look at the SEC recent actions in regards to the Madoff scandal, since this is fresh on everyone&#8217;s mind.  The SEC ignored the warning signs for years that this guy was running a massive stealing scheme.   How could this be missed?  It goes back to W &#8212; markets correct themselves.  These governmental agencies such as the SEC are suppose to protect the public&#8217;s interest against monsters such as Madoff.  Remember what Paulson was saying just before September 08.  The market fundamentals are sound.  Paulson is Ws Secretary of Treasury.  Ws gang are so tied to ideology that it was only until Lehman Bros finally collapsed that they came to grips on reality, too little, too late.  Before Sep 08, Paulson blamed borrowers for much of the calamity in the mortgage market because, they walked away from their obligations.   He trotted out several failed programs to help home owners but each one was skewed in favor of the predatory lenders so they were doomed before they went to press.  Had W hired pragmatic people within the Administration this financial nightmare would have been less severe.  W has been an absolute failure and was intentionally asleep at the switch.</p>
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		<title>By: How the Common Man Sees It</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/12/obama-approval-poll/comment-page-2/#comment-135994</link>
		<dc:creator>How the Common Man Sees It</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 06:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I were a conservative within the GOP I would be aiming my guns at my own leaders and not the leaders of the other party. That&#039;s just because they are closer and you&#039;re more likely to take a few out</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I were a conservative within the GOP I would be aiming my guns at my own leaders and not the leaders of the other party. That&#8217;s just because they are closer and you&#8217;re more likely to take a few out</p>
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		<title>By: devil_futility</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/12/obama-approval-poll/comment-page-2/#comment-135992</link>
		<dc:creator>devil_futility</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 06:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I agree that GWB was not a god president and in fact a disaster.  To me he was a disaster because he went into Iraq to fight an unnecessary war.

However, I do not find George Bush very culpable for the current economic situation.  Unless his administration forced all the geniuses who run all the genius banks to write loans to people that they couldn&#039;t pay I will continue to not find him culpable in this respect.

He is of course responsible for not reigning in spending during his years in office, but so is everyone in congress.  I believe most of them go along with the earmark/pork scheme.

Despite the fact that there are a lot of people here who do not like all the bail outs, it seems that there is a fairly broad consensus that the bail outs need to be done.  While I am skeptical I am willing to leave this up to the experts.

Finally, I agree with those who claim the media is biased in favor of Obama too:
“There is no getting around it, this man who emerged triumphant from the Iowa caucuses is something unusual in American politics. He has that close-cropped hair and the high-school-smooth face with that deep saxophone of a voice. His borrowings, rhetorical and intellectual, are dizzying. One minute he recalls the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. in his pacing and aching, staccato repetitions. The next minute he is updating John F. Kennedy with his ‘Ask not what America can do for you’ riff on idealism and hope....Such words mine a vein of American history that leaves more than a few listeners misty-eyed.”
— New York Times reporter Michael Powell in a January 5 news story about Barack Obama campaigning in New Hampshire.

If that&#039;s not media bias, I don&#039;t know what is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I agree that GWB was not a god president and in fact a disaster.  To me he was a disaster because he went into Iraq to fight an unnecessary war.</p>
<p>However, I do not find George Bush very culpable for the current economic situation.  Unless his administration forced all the geniuses who run all the genius banks to write loans to people that they couldn&#8217;t pay I will continue to not find him culpable in this respect.</p>
<p>He is of course responsible for not reigning in spending during his years in office, but so is everyone in congress.  I believe most of them go along with the earmark/pork scheme.</p>
<p>Despite the fact that there are a lot of people here who do not like all the bail outs, it seems that there is a fairly broad consensus that the bail outs need to be done.  While I am skeptical I am willing to leave this up to the experts.</p>
<p>Finally, I agree with those who claim the media is biased in favor of Obama too:<br />
“There is no getting around it, this man who emerged triumphant from the Iowa caucuses is something unusual in American politics. He has that close-cropped hair and the high-school-smooth face with that deep saxophone of a voice. His borrowings, rhetorical and intellectual, are dizzying. One minute he recalls the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. in his pacing and aching, staccato repetitions. The next minute he is updating John F. Kennedy with his ‘Ask not what America can do for you’ riff on idealism and hope&#8230;.Such words mine a vein of American history that leaves more than a few listeners misty-eyed.”<br />
— New York Times reporter Michael Powell in a January 5 news story about Barack Obama campaigning in New Hampshire.</p>
<p>If that&#8217;s not media bias, I don&#8217;t know what is.</p>
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		<title>By: callawar</title>
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		<dc:creator>callawar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 05:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From a so called conservative point of view W did a hecka of a job.  He fulfilled all their dreams.  First, &quot;government is the problem&quot; Rep mantra was very successful during the last 8-yrs.  You hire inept flunkies to run the various departments and voila, you get, &quot;see I told you so&quot; failed government.  A vindication for conservative voices.   Second, to prove your manhood, and in effect push the Christian right agenda, you try to make other countries into your likeness.  There is the 27% of the population who still favor Ws exploits into Iraq, a country who had nothing to do with 9/11.  Since WMD was not found the storyline shifted as to why that greatly divided country was invaded.  Regardless of the primary motive, some righties vision of Iraq was a PAX Americana and for that matter for a greater Arab world.    And third, although the list could be endless as to why Conservatives attach themselves to W so tightly, W kept health care off the government books.  W was so successful at this that he blocked imported drugs from Canada and he quietly forced a large segment of the veterans community off of the health care VA rolls.  That is correct.  In 2002 W and his Rep friends pushed through a law making it impossible for veterans making over $40K, family of four, to get any medical help from the Veterans Administration.    W and his rich friends feel veterans will be employed by some employer who will cover their health care insurance so need to look for the VA for health care.  You have to dig deep within the VA website to find the info.  W has done a great a job for the 27% percent of the country who still carry his water.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From a so called conservative point of view W did a hecka of a job.  He fulfilled all their dreams.  First, &#8220;government is the problem&#8221; Rep mantra was very successful during the last 8-yrs.  You hire inept flunkies to run the various departments and voila, you get, &#8220;see I told you so&#8221; failed government.  A vindication for conservative voices.   Second, to prove your manhood, and in effect push the Christian right agenda, you try to make other countries into your likeness.  There is the 27% of the population who still favor Ws exploits into Iraq, a country who had nothing to do with 9/11.  Since WMD was not found the storyline shifted as to why that greatly divided country was invaded.  Regardless of the primary motive, some righties vision of Iraq was a PAX Americana and for that matter for a greater Arab world.    And third, although the list could be endless as to why Conservatives attach themselves to W so tightly, W kept health care off the government books.  W was so successful at this that he blocked imported drugs from Canada and he quietly forced a large segment of the veterans community off of the health care VA rolls.  That is correct.  In 2002 W and his Rep friends pushed through a law making it impossible for veterans making over $40K, family of four, to get any medical help from the Veterans Administration.    W and his rich friends feel veterans will be employed by some employer who will cover their health care insurance so need to look for the VA for health care.  You have to dig deep within the VA website to find the info.  W has done a great a job for the 27% percent of the country who still carry his water.</p>
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		<title>By: Broken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Broken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 04:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If I wanted Bush bashing, I would go to Kos.&quot; -nolaw.

With Bush&#039;s 20-something percent approval rating, I think you will find &quot;Bush bashing&quot; everywhere except the wing-nut sites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If I wanted Bush bashing, I would go to Kos.&#8221; -nolaw.</p>
<p>With Bush&#8217;s 20-something percent approval rating, I think you will find &#8220;Bush bashing&#8221; everywhere except the wing-nut sites.</p>
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		<title>By: vaughn</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/12/obama-approval-poll/comment-page-2/#comment-135960</link>
		<dc:creator>vaughn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 00:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Those that believe George Bush destroyed the country must explain why he didn’t destroy Texas....&quot;
Obviously because he LEFT it for 8 years.....
As to Bush bashing, the prick is a total CUNT! (if i may be allowed to mix genital metaphors)

He is SCUM. An incompetent loser. A slacker imbecile with a bible for a codpiece. He&#039;s an inbred con man with shit for brains and a discredit to his race. Cheney? Pure SATANIC evil. The two of them have done more damage than a thousand Bin Laden&#039;s.

defenders?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Those that believe George Bush destroyed the country must explain why he didn’t destroy Texas&#8230;.&#8221;<br />
Obviously because he LEFT it for 8 years&#8230;..<br />
As to Bush bashing, the prick is a total CUNT! (if i may be allowed to mix genital metaphors)</p>
<p>He is SCUM. An incompetent loser. A slacker imbecile with a bible for a codpiece. He&#8217;s an inbred con man with shit for brains and a discredit to his race. Cheney? Pure SATANIC evil. The two of them have done more damage than a thousand Bin Laden&#8217;s.</p>
<p>defenders?</p>
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		<title>By: ButtoMcFarty</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/12/obama-approval-poll/comment-page-2/#comment-135927</link>
		<dc:creator>ButtoMcFarty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 20:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s like moths to a flame isn&#039;t it??

LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s like moths to a flame isn&#8217;t it??</p>
<p>LOL</p>
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		<title>By: wd78</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/12/obama-approval-poll/comment-page-2/#comment-135925</link>
		<dc:creator>wd78</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 19:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As others above noted, one has to wonder how CNN&#039;s polls are conducted.  Rasmussen&#039;s Approval Index has been fairly flat since the election (www.rasmussen.com).  Given the credability of Rasmussen versus CNN what is all of the hoopla  about?  I interpret Rasmussen&#039;s Approval Index as an indication that nothing has changed since the election.  Let&#039;s see how he does after 6-12 months in office when his relatively &quot;blank slate&quot; record has some chalk marks on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As others above noted, one has to wonder how CNN&#8217;s polls are conducted.  Rasmussen&#8217;s Approval Index has been fairly flat since the election (www.rasmussen.com).  Given the credability of Rasmussen versus CNN what is all of the hoopla  about?  I interpret Rasmussen&#8217;s Approval Index as an indication that nothing has changed since the election.  Let&#8217;s see how he does after 6-12 months in office when his relatively &#8220;blank slate&#8221; record has some chalk marks on it.</p>
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		<title>By: colion</title>
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		<dc:creator>colion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 19:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since Obama has done essentially nothing for the past 10 years or so, only brain soft dead beats would jump on the feel good groupy bandwagon and give him a thumbs up.  But the winds of change will shift as they always do.  If the old saw is right and people vote with their wallets then Obamaites will undoubtedly lose ground in the mid-term elections and if the TA guys are right Obama (McCain also if he were elected) will be a one-termer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since Obama has done essentially nothing for the past 10 years or so, only brain soft dead beats would jump on the feel good groupy bandwagon and give him a thumbs up.  But the winds of change will shift as they always do.  If the old saw is right and people vote with their wallets then Obamaites will undoubtedly lose ground in the mid-term elections and if the TA guys are right Obama (McCain also if he were elected) will be a one-termer.</p>
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		<title>By: ottovbvs</title>
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		<dc:creator>ottovbvs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 18:49:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jurgen Says: 

December 27th, 2008 at 1:00 pm 
@ ottovbvs,

Actually, I said it was quite conceivable the CNN poll had holes but that it&#039;s conclusion wasn&#039;t wildly out of line with most other polls on the same topic. You don&#039;t seem to be able to reply to this perfectly reasonable comment it seems to me without throwing in a load of ad hominem personal stuff. Pity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jurgen Says: </p>
<p>December 27th, 2008 at 1:00 pm<br />
@ ottovbvs,</p>
<p>Actually, I said it was quite conceivable the CNN poll had holes but that it&#8217;s conclusion wasn&#8217;t wildly out of line with most other polls on the same topic. You don&#8217;t seem to be able to reply to this perfectly reasonable comment it seems to me without throwing in a load of ad hominem personal stuff. Pity.</p>
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