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	<title>Comments on: Paulson Still Doesn&#8217;t Understand Housing&#8217;s Problems</title>
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		<title>By: John Pozzi</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/12/paulson-still-doesnt-understand-housings-problems/comment-page-2/#comment-130848</link>
		<dc:creator>John Pozzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 03:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The solution is at www.grb.net</description>
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		<title>By: DeDude</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/12/paulson-still-doesnt-understand-housings-problems/comment-page-2/#comment-130691</link>
		<dc:creator>DeDude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 19:20:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lower rates or lower prices would both decrease the montly payment and give more people the ability to afford a house.  The advantage of getting more people into houses via lower rates (instead of lower prices), is that it doesn’t also put a lot of the current mortgage owners under water.  Then current owners can indeed seel their houses and move up.  The housing market chain is partly locked up because of the fall in house prices and further fall in prices will not solve the problem.  In the long run we have to get housing prices to a realistic level, but in the short run we need to make both purchase and reselling of houses possible (even if it takes a little reinflating).  So I am with Hank on this one (if he actually have the sence to do it).  Use the current “free money” that the treasury can get in the marked and hand the saving over to allow people to purchase a home they can afford.  Its “we the peoples” government, why should the people not be able to harvest some benefits of the fact that dysfunctional capital markets are mispricing risks on loans to the government vs. mortgage loans.   

I agree with larster that anyone holding the bad paper would be left holding the bag - that’l teach them.  If the only ones hurt are those dumb and greedy enough to invest in other peoples misfortune (sub-prime) then I would call it the perfect plan.  But I am inclined to think this is just a rumor.  This is not an administration who is inclined to help “little” consumer class people at the expense of their rich masters (which is why they will never be able to solve the problems).   

Wunsacon; look for auctions in your local paper.  I went to a few and you can basically get things for half price if you have the cash and loan ability to bid on it (make sure to arrange credit before the auction).  I got a 6 ac. lot of building land for $3500/ac. that had been sold to a builder for $7000/ac. in late 2005 in an area where they have been selling for about 6K/ac lately.  The reputable (established) auctioneers will make sure you can get a clean title at closing.  At the courthouse you don’t have any idea what you get, so leave that to the pro’s (or hire one to help you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lower rates or lower prices would both decrease the montly payment and give more people the ability to afford a house.  The advantage of getting more people into houses via lower rates (instead of lower prices), is that it doesn’t also put a lot of the current mortgage owners under water.  Then current owners can indeed seel their houses and move up.  The housing market chain is partly locked up because of the fall in house prices and further fall in prices will not solve the problem.  In the long run we have to get housing prices to a realistic level, but in the short run we need to make both purchase and reselling of houses possible (even if it takes a little reinflating).  So I am with Hank on this one (if he actually have the sence to do it).  Use the current “free money” that the treasury can get in the marked and hand the saving over to allow people to purchase a home they can afford.  Its “we the peoples” government, why should the people not be able to harvest some benefits of the fact that dysfunctional capital markets are mispricing risks on loans to the government vs. mortgage loans.   </p>
<p>I agree with larster that anyone holding the bad paper would be left holding the bag &#8211; that’l teach them.  If the only ones hurt are those dumb and greedy enough to invest in other peoples misfortune (sub-prime) then I would call it the perfect plan.  But I am inclined to think this is just a rumor.  This is not an administration who is inclined to help “little” consumer class people at the expense of their rich masters (which is why they will never be able to solve the problems).   </p>
<p>Wunsacon; look for auctions in your local paper.  I went to a few and you can basically get things for half price if you have the cash and loan ability to bid on it (make sure to arrange credit before the auction).  I got a 6 ac. lot of building land for $3500/ac. that had been sold to a builder for $7000/ac. in late 2005 in an area where they have been selling for about 6K/ac lately.  The reputable (established) auctioneers will make sure you can get a clean title at closing.  At the courthouse you don’t have any idea what you get, so leave that to the pro’s (or hire one to help you.</p>
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		<title>By: batmando</title>
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		<dc:creator>batmando</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 16:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meanwhile, from the WSJ on-line MarketWatch  http://tinyurl.com/5zbyum

&quot;U.S. homes now undervalued, economists say&quot;
&quot;Compared with their long-term fundamental values, U.S. homes are now 3.8% undervalued, the economists said&quot;

WTF?  To which long-term fundamental values can they possibly be referring?

Been averaging into SRS @ 120/115/110
Next nibble @ 100, then ramping up at 90 and below as Karen suggests.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meanwhile, from the WSJ on-line MarketWatch  <a href="http://tinyurl.com/5zbyum" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/5zbyum</a></p>
<p>&#8220;U.S. homes now undervalued, economists say&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Compared with their long-term fundamental values, U.S. homes are now 3.8% undervalued, the economists said&#8221;</p>
<p>WTF?  To which long-term fundamental values can they possibly be referring?</p>
<p>Been averaging into SRS @ 120/115/110<br />
Next nibble @ 100, then ramping up at 90 and below as Karen suggests.</p>
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		<title>By: Mannwich</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/12/paulson-still-doesnt-understand-housings-problems/comment-page-2/#comment-130601</link>
		<dc:creator>Mannwich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 15:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@karen:  I sold my SRS at 240-260 or so (in different chunks) but recently got back in a bit after it dropped to ~121.  Not even close to all-in though, so I&#039;m OK.  I can be patient and will buy much more if it goes below 100.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@karen:  I sold my SRS at 240-260 or so (in different chunks) but recently got back in a bit after it dropped to ~121.  Not even close to all-in though, so I&#8217;m OK.  I can be patient and will buy much more if it goes below 100.</p>
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		<title>By: karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 15:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff,  i admit, too much pinot;  i&#039;m not that big of a person but i will be if i keep up with the wine every night : )

So after I got over my posting errors, I had visions of stockcharts dancing thru my head...  and I thot you&#039;d sold your SRS.  Here&#039;s what macro-man said this morning:

But Macro Man has learned this year to be surprised by nothing and to be wary of one-way bets...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff,  i admit, too much pinot;  i&#8217;m not that big of a person but i will be if i keep up with the wine every night : )</p>
<p>So after I got over my posting errors, I had visions of stockcharts dancing thru my head&#8230;  and I thot you&#8217;d sold your SRS.  Here&#8217;s what macro-man said this morning:</p>
<p>But Macro Man has learned this year to be surprised by nothing and to be wary of one-way bets&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: alwysaprice</title>
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		<dc:creator>alwysaprice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 15:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t this the exact situation that led to the current bubble? 

From what I recall, unreasonably low interest rates, courtesy of old Greenspan, created bubble pricing and fueled lax lending standards.  As a result, people found themselves in homes they could not afford.  How is this plan any different from simply recreating the past lending environment?

The only solution is to allow homes to return to their equilibrium pricing.  While this may lead to some unfortunate people losing their homes, strawberry pickers making $15k/year were never supposed to be buying $720k mansions ( http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2007/04/13/carollloyd.DTL ), it is a necessity.   Not to mention the enormous strain this plan would place on the Treasury.  Seriously, what is Paulson thinking, &quot;Lows interest rates will raise home price right?  I mean it worked for Greeny.  Wait, no one would buy these news MBSs, even though the US government is effectively backing them.....I know, the government can buy them, I mean...we are the government right?  How could this possibly go wrong?&quot;

I am doubtful that Paulson&#039;s plan would work, but if it does we are only prolonging the inevitable and likely setting ourselves up for an ultimately bigger crash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t this the exact situation that led to the current bubble? </p>
<p>From what I recall, unreasonably low interest rates, courtesy of old Greenspan, created bubble pricing and fueled lax lending standards.  As a result, people found themselves in homes they could not afford.  How is this plan any different from simply recreating the past lending environment?</p>
<p>The only solution is to allow homes to return to their equilibrium pricing.  While this may lead to some unfortunate people losing their homes, strawberry pickers making $15k/year were never supposed to be buying $720k mansions ( <a href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2007/04/13/carollloyd.DTL" rel="nofollow">http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2007/04/13/carollloyd.DTL</a> ), it is a necessity.   Not to mention the enormous strain this plan would place on the Treasury.  Seriously, what is Paulson thinking, &#8220;Lows interest rates will raise home price right?  I mean it worked for Greeny.  Wait, no one would buy these news MBSs, even though the US government is effectively backing them&#8230;..I know, the government can buy them, I mean&#8230;we are the government right?  How could this possibly go wrong?&#8221;</p>
<p>I am doubtful that Paulson&#8217;s plan would work, but if it does we are only prolonging the inevitable and likely setting ourselves up for an ultimately bigger crash.</p>
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		<title>By: Mannwich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mannwich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 14:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@karen:  LOL.  THAT woke you up?  After how many cocktails?  Too funny......

What wakes me up is wondering how my SRS can continue to drop like a stone, at which time I remind myself, &quot;patience grasshoppa, patience&quot;...........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@karen:  LOL.  THAT woke you up?  After how many cocktails?  Too funny&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>What wakes me up is wondering how my SRS can continue to drop like a stone, at which time I remind myself, &#8220;patience grasshoppa, patience&#8221;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 14:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of you guys crack me up!  Paulson isn&#039;t dumb, he just has a tough job!  You don&#039;t get to his position by being dumb.  Don&#039;t get me wrong, I can&#039;t stand the SOB, nor Ben, but I respect them.  However I&#039;d offer that the low rates don&#039;t have JACK to do with lower inventory.  They aren&#039;t concerned with lowering inventory through sales as most on here imply, they want refinancings!  That&#039;s how you stop the forecloures from growing, not through home sales.  Shut the well off, (inventory growing) and you can then address the oversupply.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of you guys crack me up!  Paulson isn&#8217;t dumb, he just has a tough job!  You don&#8217;t get to his position by being dumb.  Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I can&#8217;t stand the SOB, nor Ben, but I respect them.  However I&#8217;d offer that the low rates don&#8217;t have JACK to do with lower inventory.  They aren&#8217;t concerned with lowering inventory through sales as most on here imply, they want refinancings!  That&#8217;s how you stop the forecloures from growing, not through home sales.  Shut the well off, (inventory growing) and you can then address the oversupply.</p>
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		<title>By: karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 14:30:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I awoke at 3 AM realizing an error in one of my above posts... i was a realtor in Phx in the late 80s, not early 80s.  I moved back to california in 1989 and home prices continued to fall for a few more years...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I awoke at 3 AM realizing an error in one of my above posts&#8230; i was a realtor in Phx in the late 80s, not early 80s.  I moved back to california in 1989 and home prices continued to fall for a few more years&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: danm</title>
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		<dc:creator>danm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 14:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2) The Fed or the Treasury can not manipulate a market as big as the housing mkt in the US. How much do you need to corner a 55 trln dollar market, Ben?
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20T?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2) The Fed or the Treasury can not manipulate a market as big as the housing mkt in the US. How much do you need to corner a 55 trln dollar market, Ben?<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
20T?</p>
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