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		<title>By: RiskAverseAlert</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/12/stock-market-performance-during-recessions/comment-page-1/#comment-130238</link>
		<dc:creator>RiskAverseAlert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 04:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any comparison of the present moment to recessions past simply must be seen as the most glaring exercise in futility since Neville Chamberlain attempt at negotiating &quot;peace in our time&quot; with Hitler&#039;s Nazi Germany. 

C&#039;mon...

WHEN WAS THE LAST RECESSION REQUIRING $8+ TRILLION FROM LENDERS OF LAST RESORT JUST TO KEEP THE GAME FROM SINKING INTO OBLIVION (let alone what will be needed to goose a recovery)????

When was the last time THE ENTIRE GLOBAL FINANCIAL SYSTEM was so glaringly BANKRUPT????

Do you really think the many various comparisons finding precedent only in the Great Depression of the 1930s is some freak accident????

It is time to stop giving the clueless NBER any due whatsoever. &quot;The U.S. has been in a recession since December &#039;07&quot; PUHLEASE!!!!!!

The U.S. is plunging headlong into a Great Calamity. Get that fact through your head.

It is bad enough we have a Treasury Secretary who will claim his schemes are meant to &quot;protect the taxpayer.&quot; GROW SOME NUTS, HANK. WE&#039;RE BANKRUPT. 

It is all the worse witnessing a Congress full of cowards who will claim these schemes are meant to &quot;save Main Street.&quot; Save it for what? Another couple quadrillion of liabilities to be taken out of our hides in taxes? 

As you can see, I have had enough. You can go on believing our present reality bears some resemblance to &quot;normal&quot; circumstances past. Just don&#039;t expect me to visit you in the insane asylum...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any comparison of the present moment to recessions past simply must be seen as the most glaring exercise in futility since Neville Chamberlain attempt at negotiating &#8220;peace in our time&#8221; with Hitler&#8217;s Nazi Germany. </p>
<p>C&#8217;mon&#8230;</p>
<p>WHEN WAS THE LAST RECESSION REQUIRING $8+ TRILLION FROM LENDERS OF LAST RESORT JUST TO KEEP THE GAME FROM SINKING INTO OBLIVION (let alone what will be needed to goose a recovery)????</p>
<p>When was the last time THE ENTIRE GLOBAL FINANCIAL SYSTEM was so glaringly BANKRUPT????</p>
<p>Do you really think the many various comparisons finding precedent only in the Great Depression of the 1930s is some freak accident????</p>
<p>It is time to stop giving the clueless NBER any due whatsoever. &#8220;The U.S. has been in a recession since December &#8216;07&#8243; PUHLEASE!!!!!!</p>
<p>The U.S. is plunging headlong into a Great Calamity. Get that fact through your head.</p>
<p>It is bad enough we have a Treasury Secretary who will claim his schemes are meant to &#8220;protect the taxpayer.&#8221; GROW SOME NUTS, HANK. WE&#8217;RE BANKRUPT. </p>
<p>It is all the worse witnessing a Congress full of cowards who will claim these schemes are meant to &#8220;save Main Street.&#8221; Save it for what? Another couple quadrillion of liabilities to be taken out of our hides in taxes? </p>
<p>As you can see, I have had enough. You can go on believing our present reality bears some resemblance to &#8220;normal&#8221; circumstances past. Just don&#8217;t expect me to visit you in the insane asylum&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ben22</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/12/stock-market-performance-during-recessions/comment-page-1/#comment-130204</link>
		<dc:creator>ben22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 00:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Kent @ The Financial Philosopher 

I like your point of view only because it is up-beat, I don&#039;t agree but it&#039;s nice to hear something so positive.  Just on a very basic level the markets, credit and equity, are not functioning in a normal way so that perspective seems far too textbook for me to buy in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kent @ The Financial Philosopher </p>
<p>I like your point of view only because it is up-beat, I don&#8217;t agree but it&#8217;s nice to hear something so positive.  Just on a very basic level the markets, credit and equity, are not functioning in a normal way so that perspective seems far too textbook for me to buy in.</p>
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		<title>By: jc</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/12/stock-market-performance-during-recessions/comment-page-1/#comment-130201</link>
		<dc:creator>jc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 00:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it&#039;s a recession then every day is a buying opportunity, if it&#039;s a depression then it&#039;s different.

BB and Paulson&#039;s words say it&#039;s not a depression but their actions say it is, of course they said it wasn&#039;t a recession either...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it&#8217;s a recession then every day is a buying opportunity, if it&#8217;s a depression then it&#8217;s different.</p>
<p>BB and Paulson&#8217;s words say it&#8217;s not a depression but their actions say it is, of course they said it wasn&#8217;t a recession either&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: grumpyoldvet</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/12/stock-market-performance-during-recessions/comment-page-1/#comment-130186</link>
		<dc:creator>grumpyoldvet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 22:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barry.....good propaganda for the bottom callers though. Just like the Recession is 2 back-to-back down quarters...............</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barry&#8230;..good propaganda for the bottom callers though. Just like the Recession is 2 back-to-back down quarters&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mannwich</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/12/stock-market-performance-during-recessions/comment-page-1/#comment-130185</link>
		<dc:creator>Mannwich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 22:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Short Man:  Picked up some more SRS today at the close (126) and will continue to load up on big dips like this.  We&#039;ve got a long way to go before the commercial real estate mess is fixed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Short Man:  Picked up some more SRS today at the close (126) and will continue to load up on big dips like this.  We&#8217;ve got a long way to go before the commercial real estate mess is fixed.</p>
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		<title>By: Short Man</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/12/stock-market-performance-during-recessions/comment-page-1/#comment-130184</link>
		<dc:creator>Short Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 22:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Baltic Dry Index hit another low multiyear low today at 684.  After 9/11 the lowest it got to was around 870 and that was with at $25-$30 oil and no adjustment for inflation.  The fact that we are 27% below that mark with nearly double the price of oil (input cost) is telling.  The last time the index was at this level was in 1986.  Markets can do whatever they want on a day to day basis but turning around the world&#039;s economy (not just the US) is going to take years.  We haven&#039;t even begun to slow down the rate of destruction let alone position ourselves for growth.  

You can&#039;t go wrong with buying SRS on days like today.  1/4 to 1/3 of the retailers out there are toast when xmas sales disappoint.  Walmart converting middle class to upper middle class shoppers with huge success and they own their own stores.  Malls/REITS = dead money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baltic Dry Index hit another low multiyear low today at 684.  After 9/11 the lowest it got to was around 870 and that was with at $25-$30 oil and no adjustment for inflation.  The fact that we are 27% below that mark with nearly double the price of oil (input cost) is telling.  The last time the index was at this level was in 1986.  Markets can do whatever they want on a day to day basis but turning around the world&#8217;s economy (not just the US) is going to take years.  We haven&#8217;t even begun to slow down the rate of destruction let alone position ourselves for growth.  </p>
<p>You can&#8217;t go wrong with buying SRS on days like today.  1/4 to 1/3 of the retailers out there are toast when xmas sales disappoint.  Walmart converting middle class to upper middle class shoppers with huge success and they own their own stores.  Malls/REITS = dead money.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry Ritholtz</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/12/stock-market-performance-during-recessions/comment-page-1/#comment-130178</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry Ritholtz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 21:39:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remain unconvinced that markets lead by that much -- more like 3 months has been my observation</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remain unconvinced that markets lead by that much &#8212; more like 3 months has been my observation</p>
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		<title>By: CPJ13</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/12/stock-market-performance-during-recessions/comment-page-1/#comment-130147</link>
		<dc:creator>CPJ13</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 20:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ leftback:

I don&#039;t think you can really look at SKF and SRS and use the fact that they&#039;re potentially in a &#039;head and shoulders&#039; configuration when they&#039;re double inverse funds of another index. Slippage, friction due to the swaps, options, etc. that they use, as well as the fact that it&#039;s leveraged can really skew the picture. Take, for example, IYF - which is essentially the index that SKF tracks in inverse. Nothing about the following chart exhibits anything but a nasty downward channel, certainly not a trend that looks like it&#039;s going to reverse anytime soon.

http://finviz.com/quote.ashx?t=IYF

This chart is markedly different from SKF&#039;s - any way you look at it - so I think it&#039;s dangerous to try and make technical calls off of these double inverse triple leveraged sow cow ETF&#039;s that are trading out there. Gotta go to the source. This source is ugly.

Same thing with the chart SRS trades off of:

http://finviz.com/quote.ashx?t=iyr

Just my two cents. I don&#039;t think you can use TA on these leveraged ETFs effectively.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ leftback:</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think you can really look at SKF and SRS and use the fact that they&#8217;re potentially in a &#8216;head and shoulders&#8217; configuration when they&#8217;re double inverse funds of another index. Slippage, friction due to the swaps, options, etc. that they use, as well as the fact that it&#8217;s leveraged can really skew the picture. Take, for example, IYF &#8211; which is essentially the index that SKF tracks in inverse. Nothing about the following chart exhibits anything but a nasty downward channel, certainly not a trend that looks like it&#8217;s going to reverse anytime soon.</p>
<p><a href="http://finviz.com/quote.ashx?t=IYF" rel="nofollow">http://finviz.com/quote.ashx?t=IYF</a></p>
<p>This chart is markedly different from SKF&#8217;s &#8211; any way you look at it &#8211; so I think it&#8217;s dangerous to try and make technical calls off of these double inverse triple leveraged sow cow ETF&#8217;s that are trading out there. Gotta go to the source. This source is ugly.</p>
<p>Same thing with the chart SRS trades off of:</p>
<p><a href="http://finviz.com/quote.ashx?t=iyr" rel="nofollow">http://finviz.com/quote.ashx?t=iyr</a></p>
<p>Just my two cents. I don&#8217;t think you can use TA on these leveraged ETFs effectively.</p>
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		<title>By: Mannwich</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/12/stock-market-performance-during-recessions/comment-page-1/#comment-130139</link>
		<dc:creator>Mannwich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 20:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To quote the inimitable Vinny Barbarino, &quot;I&#039;m SO confused&quot;.........

Honestly, have no clue which way we&#039;re headed.  Time to sit this one out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To quote the inimitable Vinny Barbarino, &#8220;I&#8217;m SO confused&#8221;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>Honestly, have no clue which way we&#8217;re headed.  Time to sit this one out.</p>
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		<title>By: Mannwich</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/12/stock-market-performance-during-recessions/comment-page-1/#comment-130130</link>
		<dc:creator>Mannwich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 19:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I vote food in the short term.

Eventually energy, gold and stocks but just not sure when.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I vote food in the short term.</p>
<p>Eventually energy, gold and stocks but just not sure when.</p>
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