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	<title>Comments on: US stock market returns – what is in store?</title>
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		<title>By: TrickStar</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/12/us-stock-market-returns-what-is-in-store/comment-page-1/#comment-130525</link>
		<dc:creator>TrickStar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 06:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prieur - Thanks for the great commentary.   Has anything about our economy, and specifically the composition of the companies making up the the S&amp;P500 that would merit a some sort of adjustment?

I ask because technology stocks now comprise over 16% of the S&amp;P500 and they consistently trade at a significant premium to companies in the &quot;old economy.&quot;  This fact seems to speak directly to your comment: 

&quot;given that the current 10-year normalized PE of 14.9 falls in the middle of this range, the exceptional volatility being experienced at the moment is consistent with historical patterns.&quot;

I wonder if using historical patterns is an apples to apples comparison.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prieur &#8211; Thanks for the great commentary.   Has anything about our economy, and specifically the composition of the companies making up the the S&amp;P500 that would merit a some sort of adjustment?</p>
<p>I ask because technology stocks now comprise over 16% of the S&amp;P500 and they consistently trade at a significant premium to companies in the &#8220;old economy.&#8221;  This fact seems to speak directly to your comment: </p>
<p>&#8220;given that the current 10-year normalized PE of 14.9 falls in the middle of this range, the exceptional volatility being experienced at the moment is consistent with historical patterns.&#8221;</p>
<p>I wonder if using historical patterns is an apples to apples comparison.</p>
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		<title>By: dcurley</title>
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		<dc:creator>dcurley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 17:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Hussman has a similar approach, except he looks at PE based on peak earnings to date, not current earnings.  What he&#039;s found is that peak-to-peak, S&amp;P500 earnings grow 6%, and that price to peak earnings to date varies from a low of around 5 to a high of 20 or so.  Not surprisingly, 10 year returns from the lows are pretty good, and those from the highs aren&#039;t.  I don&#039;t recall where we&#039;re at off the top of my head, but I think it&#039;s around 7-10 times peak earnings.

Speaking of current volativity, I&#039;d guess that the range of returns from the middle percentiles of PE in the article has a small relation to market volatility.  I think it&#039;s more a function of the fact that PE cycles from the low to the high and back again, so half of the time it&#039;s in the middle it&#039;s moving up, and half of the time it&#039;s moving down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Hussman has a similar approach, except he looks at PE based on peak earnings to date, not current earnings.  What he&#8217;s found is that peak-to-peak, S&amp;P500 earnings grow 6%, and that price to peak earnings to date varies from a low of around 5 to a high of 20 or so.  Not surprisingly, 10 year returns from the lows are pretty good, and those from the highs aren&#8217;t.  I don&#8217;t recall where we&#8217;re at off the top of my head, but I think it&#8217;s around 7-10 times peak earnings.</p>
<p>Speaking of current volativity, I&#8217;d guess that the range of returns from the middle percentiles of PE in the article has a small relation to market volatility.  I think it&#8217;s more a function of the fact that PE cycles from the low to the high and back again, so half of the time it&#8217;s in the middle it&#8217;s moving up, and half of the time it&#8217;s moving down.</p>
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		<title>By: karmageddon</title>
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		<dc:creator>karmageddon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 16:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The stealth breadlines are getting longer and longer
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&amp;safe=off&amp;rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUS277&amp;q=food%20stamp%20population</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The stealth breadlines are getting longer and longer<br />
<a href="http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&amp;safe=off&amp;rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUS277&amp;q=food%20stamp%20population" rel="nofollow">http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&amp;safe=off&amp;rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUS277&amp;q=food%20stamp%20population</a></p>
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		<title>By: RonN</title>
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		<dc:creator>RonN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 16:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pierre,

Very nice analysis and great presentation charts.  I  read Robt Shiller&#039;s books during an August vacation and did enough statistical analysis on his website data to convince myself to begin selling stocks and buying ultrashorts, beginning Sept 12th.  So I&#039;ve actually made money in this downturn.  I got so tired of some of the &quot;expert commentary during Oct that I published some of my data (see http://seekingalpha.com/article/101934-how-low-are-pe-ratios-a-comment-on-mark-hulberts-take).  For the most part, I&#039;m sitting on the stock sideline looking for reasonable yield muni and corp bonds until such time as PE10&#039;s get into a lower range.   

Other factors, publicized by Pimco yesterday, are likely to push returns to the lower part of your distribution.  These include:  1) we&#039;re likely to see a secular adjustment downward on future earnings due to higher interest rates, government medling, less leverage, etc and 2) the 10 year average that Shiller likes to use may not be a long enough period of time to actually &quot;capture a business cycle&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pierre,</p>
<p>Very nice analysis and great presentation charts.  I  read Robt Shiller&#8217;s books during an August vacation and did enough statistical analysis on his website data to convince myself to begin selling stocks and buying ultrashorts, beginning Sept 12th.  So I&#8217;ve actually made money in this downturn.  I got so tired of some of the &#8220;expert commentary during Oct that I published some of my data (see <a href="http://seekingalpha.com/article/101934-how-low-are-pe-ratios-a-comment-on-mark-hulberts-take)" rel="nofollow">http://seekingalpha.com/article/101934-how-low-are-pe-ratios-a-comment-on-mark-hulberts-take)</a>.  For the most part, I&#8217;m sitting on the stock sideline looking for reasonable yield muni and corp bonds until such time as PE10&#8217;s get into a lower range.   </p>
<p>Other factors, publicized by Pimco yesterday, are likely to push returns to the lower part of your distribution.  These include:  1) we&#8217;re likely to see a secular adjustment downward on future earnings due to higher interest rates, government medling, less leverage, etc and 2) the 10 year average that Shiller likes to use may not be a long enough period of time to actually &#8220;capture a business cycle&#8221;.</p>
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