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		<title>By: pseudonymous in nc</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/12/why-are-banks-so-different-from-autos/comment-page-2/#comment-132090</link>
		<dc:creator>pseudonymous in nc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think &lt;a href=&quot;http://ccinsider.comedycentral.com/cc_insider/2008/12/jon-stewarts-autoerotic-explanation.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jon Stewart&#039;s take&lt;/a&gt; has more truth in it than any professional commentator would care to admit: that&#039;s to say, Congresscritters think they know what the Big Three do, and feel qualified to pontificate about it, but don&#039;t have a clue what Wall Street actually does.

There are class considerations, as well as long-standing traditional rivalries here between the Union and the Confederight-to-work states.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think <a href="http://ccinsider.comedycentral.com/cc_insider/2008/12/jon-stewarts-autoerotic-explanation.html" rel="nofollow">Jon Stewart&#8217;s take</a> has more truth in it than any professional commentator would care to admit: that&#8217;s to say, Congresscritters think they know what the Big Three do, and feel qualified to pontificate about it, but don&#8217;t have a clue what Wall Street actually does.</p>
<p>There are class considerations, as well as long-standing traditional rivalries here between the Union and the Confederight-to-work states.</p>
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		<title>By: Bonesetter Brown</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/12/why-are-banks-so-different-from-autos/comment-page-2/#comment-132041</link>
		<dc:creator>Bonesetter Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 04:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wall St and Washington are two sides of one coin.  Washington&#039;s bail out of Wall St. is an act of self-preservation.   No such imperative exists for the domestic auto industry.

The industrial sector that will receive a bail out (after a fashion) is the Chinese manufacture-for-export sector.  As the Chinese de-value their currency against USD in the coming year, watch for the non-response out of Washington.  Quid quo pro for the increase in Chinese-purchased debt needed to fund the Washington/Wall St. rescue plan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wall St and Washington are two sides of one coin.  Washington&#8217;s bail out of Wall St. is an act of self-preservation.   No such imperative exists for the domestic auto industry.</p>
<p>The industrial sector that will receive a bail out (after a fashion) is the Chinese manufacture-for-export sector.  As the Chinese de-value their currency against USD in the coming year, watch for the non-response out of Washington.  Quid quo pro for the increase in Chinese-purchased debt needed to fund the Washington/Wall St. rescue plan.</p>
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		<title>By: roylat</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/12/why-are-banks-so-different-from-autos/comment-page-1/#comment-131990</link>
		<dc:creator>roylat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 02:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no mystery about the different treatment of financial and manufacturing firms. Political power in our country is tightly tied to the economic and profit contribution of a sector. For the last 50 years, the finance sector has been growing and the manufacturing sector has been declining, with the trends accelerating hugely since the early 1990s. Kevin Phillips shows it graphically in &quot;American Theocracy.&quot; 

By 2005, Financials accounted for roughly 40% of corporate profits; manufacturing for roughly 5%. The purchase of politicians tracked these lines. Both parties had become captives of the financial industry, doing their bidding, doing away with regulation, and bailing them out whenever excesses created  mini-collapses (all those bailouts that occurred over the years prior to the BIG Bailout of today) The Treasury and the Federal Reserve are staffed by members of the financial establishment; they believe in the supreme importance of finance. The Executive and the Congress are both captives of the financial sector. Except for the Congressmen from Michigan, none of the politicians are indebted to the automobile companies. All of this is manifest in the relative treatment of Citigroup and General Motors. 

Now that financial profits have collapsed and a President has been elected who is not in their pocket, there may be a shift in political priorities -- but not a guarantee. Obama&#039;s advisers are heavily drawn from the financial sector, educated by universities whose professors have bought into (or been bought by) the paradigm that holds finance to be the king of all endeavors, who genuinely believe that ensuring the survival of the big financial firms is necessary for the good of all.  But, there is an opening now, and hopefully some alternative voices will get through. Obama&#039;s continued emphasis on Main Street suggests that some have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no mystery about the different treatment of financial and manufacturing firms. Political power in our country is tightly tied to the economic and profit contribution of a sector. For the last 50 years, the finance sector has been growing and the manufacturing sector has been declining, with the trends accelerating hugely since the early 1990s. Kevin Phillips shows it graphically in &#8220;American Theocracy.&#8221; </p>
<p>By 2005, Financials accounted for roughly 40% of corporate profits; manufacturing for roughly 5%. The purchase of politicians tracked these lines. Both parties had become captives of the financial industry, doing their bidding, doing away with regulation, and bailing them out whenever excesses created  mini-collapses (all those bailouts that occurred over the years prior to the BIG Bailout of today) The Treasury and the Federal Reserve are staffed by members of the financial establishment; they believe in the supreme importance of finance. The Executive and the Congress are both captives of the financial sector. Except for the Congressmen from Michigan, none of the politicians are indebted to the automobile companies. All of this is manifest in the relative treatment of Citigroup and General Motors. </p>
<p>Now that financial profits have collapsed and a President has been elected who is not in their pocket, there may be a shift in political priorities &#8212; but not a guarantee. Obama&#8217;s advisers are heavily drawn from the financial sector, educated by universities whose professors have bought into (or been bought by) the paradigm that holds finance to be the king of all endeavors, who genuinely believe that ensuring the survival of the big financial firms is necessary for the good of all.  But, there is an opening now, and hopefully some alternative voices will get through. Obama&#8217;s continued emphasis on Main Street suggests that some have.</p>
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		<title>By: RiskAverseAlert</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/12/why-are-banks-so-different-from-autos/comment-page-1/#comment-131965</link>
		<dc:creator>RiskAverseAlert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 01:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One is well-advised to study the rise of fascism in Europe and brace yourself for such chilling similarities as finds financiers possessing dogmas largely originating in the City of London, consolidating political control, building global cartels, while at the same time gutting labor. 

Believe it or not, there was a U.S. President who saw this coming...

&lt;i&gt;&quot;One of the great American industrialists of our day—a man who has rendered yeoman service to his country in this crisis—recently emphasized the grave dangers of &quot;rightist reaction&quot; in this Nation. All clear-thinking businessmen share his concern. Indeed, if such reaction should develop—if history were to repeat itself and we were to return to the so-called &quot;normalcy&quot; of the 1920’s—then it is certain that even though we shall have conquered our enemies on the battlefields abroad, we shall have yielded to the spirit of Fascism here at home.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;
-- FDR, 1944 State of the Union Address

This year&#039;s blatant hijacking of the U.S. Treasury stands as a watershed event in that an opportunity to assert the principles put forward by this nation&#039;s founders in opposition to tyranny has been squandered. Just how far removed we are from being anything remotely resembling the nation we were formed to be is dramatically revealed by the contrast you make, Barry, pitting the treatment given financiers versus industry in this grave moment of bankruptcy whose political manifestation is most disgusting of all...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One is well-advised to study the rise of fascism in Europe and brace yourself for such chilling similarities as finds financiers possessing dogmas largely originating in the City of London, consolidating political control, building global cartels, while at the same time gutting labor. </p>
<p>Believe it or not, there was a U.S. President who saw this coming&#8230;</p>
<p><i>&#8220;One of the great American industrialists of our day—a man who has rendered yeoman service to his country in this crisis—recently emphasized the grave dangers of &#8220;rightist reaction&#8221; in this Nation. All clear-thinking businessmen share his concern. Indeed, if such reaction should develop—if history were to repeat itself and we were to return to the so-called &#8220;normalcy&#8221; of the 1920’s—then it is certain that even though we shall have conquered our enemies on the battlefields abroad, we shall have yielded to the spirit of Fascism here at home.&#8221;</i><br />
&#8211; FDR, 1944 State of the Union Address</p>
<p>This year&#8217;s blatant hijacking of the U.S. Treasury stands as a watershed event in that an opportunity to assert the principles put forward by this nation&#8217;s founders in opposition to tyranny has been squandered. Just how far removed we are from being anything remotely resembling the nation we were formed to be is dramatically revealed by the contrast you make, Barry, pitting the treatment given financiers versus industry in this grave moment of bankruptcy whose political manifestation is most disgusting of all&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Pat G.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having worked for the state, I know that there are several hundred rules that welfare recipients must abide by because they receive goverment assistance.  Why doesn&#039;t the same hold true for banks, autos or any other company who receives goverment assistance?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having worked for the state, I know that there are several hundred rules that welfare recipients must abide by because they receive goverment assistance.  Why doesn&#8217;t the same hold true for banks, autos or any other company who receives goverment assistance?</p>
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		<title>By: fratastic</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/12/why-are-banks-so-different-from-autos/comment-page-1/#comment-131929</link>
		<dc:creator>fratastic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 23:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barry, in the recent Citigroup term sheet.  It specifically states that Citigroup can not pay dividends greater than one.  Direct quote from the term sheet is below.  

Dividends: Institution is prohibited from paying common stock dividends, in excess
of $.01 per share per quarter, for 3 years without UST/FDIC/FRB consent.
A factor taken into account for consideration of the USG’s consent is the
ability to complete a common stock offering of appropriate size.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barry, in the recent Citigroup term sheet.  It specifically states that Citigroup can not pay dividends greater than one.  Direct quote from the term sheet is below.  </p>
<p>Dividends: Institution is prohibited from paying common stock dividends, in excess<br />
of $.01 per share per quarter, for 3 years without UST/FDIC/FRB consent.<br />
A factor taken into account for consideration of the USG’s consent is the<br />
ability to complete a common stock offering of appropriate size.</p>
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		<title>By: S Brennan</title>
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		<dc:creator>S Brennan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 21:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DL give it a rest,

You truly know nothing about engineering:

&quot;U.S. motor vehicle parts suppliers comprise the nation’s leading manufacturing sector, contributing to 4.5 million jobs nationwide and providing more jobs than any other sector in seven states, according to findings of a landmark study of the industry by the Center for Automotive Research (CAR) for the Motor &amp; Equipment Manufacturers Association (MEMA). &quot;

And as for manufacture worldwide...you should study up before you let fly, because plants are shutting down across the globe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DL give it a rest,</p>
<p>You truly know nothing about engineering:</p>
<p>&#8220;U.S. motor vehicle parts suppliers comprise the nation’s leading manufacturing sector, contributing to 4.5 million jobs nationwide and providing more jobs than any other sector in seven states, according to findings of a landmark study of the industry by the Center for Automotive Research (CAR) for the Motor &amp; Equipment Manufacturers Association (MEMA). &#8221;</p>
<p>And as for manufacture worldwide&#8230;you should study up before you let fly, because plants are shutting down across the globe</p>
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		<title>By: DL</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/12/why-are-banks-so-different-from-autos/comment-page-1/#comment-131897</link>
		<dc:creator>DL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 21:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>doug   @ 3:27 “

“the banksters suck, but the car guys suck even more….”

I think that pretty well sums it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>doug   @ 3:27 “</p>
<p>“the banksters suck, but the car guys suck even more….”</p>
<p>I think that pretty well sums it up.</p>
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		<title>By: ap</title>
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		<dc:creator>ap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, why aren&#039;t any Bailout Bank CEOs having to accept 1$ a year, No Bonuses, No other compensations. Like they didn&#039;t pillage enough in the last few years - like Paulson with the obscene payout of over $500 Million.

SBrennan - thank you for that shocking history of actions against workers. Very sad.

I really hope we can find a way to get rid of the obscene influence that the financial industry has on governing. But yes, that means finding a way to get rid of GREED.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, why aren&#8217;t any Bailout Bank CEOs having to accept 1$ a year, No Bonuses, No other compensations. Like they didn&#8217;t pillage enough in the last few years &#8211; like Paulson with the obscene payout of over $500 Million.</p>
<p>SBrennan &#8211; thank you for that shocking history of actions against workers. Very sad.</p>
<p>I really hope we can find a way to get rid of the obscene influence that the financial industry has on governing. But yes, that means finding a way to get rid of GREED.</p>
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		<title>By: jessica</title>
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		<dc:creator>jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fact that banks are treated with such deference and manufacturing companies pissed all over is a big part of how we got in this mess in the first place.
(It is not about relative competence.  The Big 3 had a bad hand and played it poorly.  The banks had a great hand but screwed up anyway.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that banks are treated with such deference and manufacturing companies pissed all over is a big part of how we got in this mess in the first place.<br />
(It is not about relative competence.  The Big 3 had a bad hand and played it poorly.  The banks had a great hand but screwed up anyway.)</p>
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