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	<title>Comments on: 2008 U.S. Foreclosure Heat Map</title>
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		<title>By: Steve Barry</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/01/08-foreclosure-heatmap/comment-page-1/#comment-139725</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 05:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@constant:

&quot;All humor aside, I do find it mind-boggling that the foreclosure madness has gone on this long. I sure woulda expected pitchforks and torches in the hands of angry mobs of the dispossessed.&quot;

So far, most that have been foreclosed on think they got over on someone for awhile and finally got caught...they never qualified to own homes in the first place and should be renters. They were pawns, used ultimately by Wall Street, to facilitate selling so much securitized product that the losses seem to never end. They can always go back to renting.

About &quot;recovery 2015&quot;, yeah, I sugar-coated it...what I really see is &quot;major declines over 2015&quot;...but they will spin it as a recovery.</description>
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<p>&#8220;All humor aside, I do find it mind-boggling that the foreclosure madness has gone on this long. I sure woulda expected pitchforks and torches in the hands of angry mobs of the dispossessed.&#8221;</p>
<p>So far, most that have been foreclosed on think they got over on someone for awhile and finally got caught&#8230;they never qualified to own homes in the first place and should be renters. They were pawns, used ultimately by Wall Street, to facilitate selling so much securitized product that the losses seem to never end. They can always go back to renting.</p>
<p>About &#8220;recovery 2015&#8243;, yeah, I sugar-coated it&#8230;what I really see is &#8220;major declines over 2015&#8243;&#8230;but they will spin it as a recovery.</p>
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		<title>By: constantnormal</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/01/08-foreclosure-heatmap/comment-page-1/#comment-139723</link>
		<dc:creator>constantnormal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 05:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Steve Barry (4:52pm) --

&quot;Recovery in 2015.&quot;

Sir, you are an incorrigible optimist.  The Japanese are still in decline, entering their 19th year following their own real estate bubble imploding in 1990.  We are following a very similar policy to date, pouring government funds (i.e., borrow money using the taxpayers&#039; credit card) into the dead/dying financial industry and generally wrecking the financial infrastructure on a quasi-permanent basis.

2015!  Ha!

All humor aside, I do find it mind-boggling that the foreclosure madness has gone on this long.  I sure woulda expected pitchforks and torches in the hands of angry mobs of the dispossessed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Steve Barry (4:52pm) &#8211;</p>
<p>&#8220;Recovery in 2015.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sir, you are an incorrigible optimist.  The Japanese are still in decline, entering their 19th year following their own real estate bubble imploding in 1990.  We are following a very similar policy to date, pouring government funds (i.e., borrow money using the taxpayers&#8217; credit card) into the dead/dying financial industry and generally wrecking the financial infrastructure on a quasi-permanent basis.</p>
<p>2015!  Ha!</p>
<p>All humor aside, I do find it mind-boggling that the foreclosure madness has gone on this long.  I sure woulda expected pitchforks and torches in the hands of angry mobs of the dispossessed.</p>
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		<title>By: AGG</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/01/08-foreclosure-heatmap/comment-page-1/#comment-139691</link>
		<dc:creator>AGG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 00:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bush gave a speech yesterday. Here&#039;s the translation:
Greed is not good.
Greed is GOD!
Forget, hell!
We&#039;ll be back.

Well, he certainly has been consistent. Either that or his speech writers are kept on a steady cocaine diet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bush gave a speech yesterday. Here&#8217;s the translation:<br />
Greed is not good.<br />
Greed is GOD!<br />
Forget, hell!<br />
We&#8217;ll be back.</p>
<p>Well, he certainly has been consistent. Either that or his speech writers are kept on a steady cocaine diet.</p>
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		<title>By: AGG</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/01/08-foreclosure-heatmap/comment-page-1/#comment-139689</link>
		<dc:creator>AGG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 00:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama said that if Paul Krugman had advice, he would listen. Well, here it is Mr. President:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/16/opinion/16krugman.html?_r=2&amp;ref=opinion</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama said that if Paul Krugman had advice, he would listen. Well, here it is Mr. President:<br />
<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/16/opinion/16krugman.html?_r=2&amp;ref=opinion" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/16/opinion/16krugman.html?_r=2&amp;ref=opinion</a></p>
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		<title>By: AGG</title>
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		<dc:creator>AGG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 00:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Winston. Help me out with the plane ditching metaphor. You&#039;re the one that got me to thinking about it. A new airplane (economic model) to replace the one that sank?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Winston. Help me out with the plane ditching metaphor. You&#8217;re the one that got me to thinking about it. A new airplane (economic model) to replace the one that sank?</p>
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		<title>By: AGG</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/01/08-foreclosure-heatmap/comment-page-1/#comment-139687</link>
		<dc:creator>AGG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 00:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We saw the future of our economy in similie and metaphor yesterday.
The airport&#039;s name comes from a former mayor of New York City namedLa Guardia. This is Italian for &quot;the guard&quot;.
The plane is the economy.
The passengers are the American people.
The pilot and crew are Obama and his administration.
The geese are Republican Senators.

So the old guard puts Obama in charge for a new takeoff of our economy. The American people are mostly on board. The crew is disciplined and well trained. The &quot;geese&quot;   filibuster to destruction the engines of economic takeoff  for a healthy economy rather than allow success. They destroy their carreers (career suicide) by their actions. Obama &quot;lands&quot; the &quot;economy&quot; softly on a river of liquidity. The  economy &quot;sinks&quot;  but the people survive, poorer but thankful of having a skilled pilot. Next up are determined efforts to keep &quot;geese&quot; away from the &quot;airports&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We saw the future of our economy in similie and metaphor yesterday.<br />
The airport&#8217;s name comes from a former mayor of New York City namedLa Guardia. This is Italian for &#8220;the guard&#8221;.<br />
The plane is the economy.<br />
The passengers are the American people.<br />
The pilot and crew are Obama and his administration.<br />
The geese are Republican Senators.</p>
<p>So the old guard puts Obama in charge for a new takeoff of our economy. The American people are mostly on board. The crew is disciplined and well trained. The &#8220;geese&#8221;   filibuster to destruction the engines of economic takeoff  for a healthy economy rather than allow success. They destroy their carreers (career suicide) by their actions. Obama &#8220;lands&#8221; the &#8220;economy&#8221; softly on a river of liquidity. The  economy &#8220;sinks&#8221;  but the people survive, poorer but thankful of having a skilled pilot. Next up are determined efforts to keep &#8220;geese&#8221; away from the &#8220;airports&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Mannwich</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/01/08-foreclosure-heatmap/comment-page-1/#comment-139666</link>
		<dc:creator>Mannwich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 22:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@willid3:  To be honest, I would have much rather the Feds bailed out homeowners at the beginning of this mess.  Would have been far less costly and probably far more effective, but we can&#039;t keep bailing everyone out forever without any consequences, can we?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@willid3:  To be honest, I would have much rather the Feds bailed out homeowners at the beginning of this mess.  Would have been far less costly and probably far more effective, but we can&#8217;t keep bailing everyone out forever without any consequences, can we?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Barry</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/01/08-foreclosure-heatmap/comment-page-1/#comment-139647</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 21:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Recovery in 2015.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recovery in 2015.</p>
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		<title>By: The Curmudgeon</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Curmudgeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 21:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;now can some one tell me what any body is really doing to solve the real problem. that would be those collapsing wages, until we fix that, the housing prices will continue to collapse too! till they match wages. along with just about every thing else!&quot;

There is nothing that can be done short of armed conflict that will stop the ongoing international wage arbitrage where, for example, the Chinese peasant enters the industrial work force making widgets to get better pay than he got at subsistence farming, but his doing so drives down the wages of the American worker that was already making widgets for a princely salary, with benefits.  Until the peasant&#039;s wages and the American worker&#039;s wages roughly equillibrate in terms of buying power, the arbitrage will continue.  When an hour&#039;s worth of labor in China (or elsewhere--pick a trading partner) buys a Big Mac combo, supersized, like it does for min wage workers here, then wages in America will stop dropping.

As for housing, wages did not drive the prices up.  Plain and simply, too much money/credit did, causing housing to become a speculative investment vehicle instead of a home.  Wages for American workers have barely risen, on a real, inflation-adjusted basis, since the 70&#039;s (international wage arbitrage, above).  Housing prices have much left to fall to return to the fundamental value in the main benefit of ownership, i.e., as shelter.   Anything, including preventing (which is really only forestalling) foreclosures that tries to make an artificial bottom in housing will only delay the inevitable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;now can some one tell me what any body is really doing to solve the real problem. that would be those collapsing wages, until we fix that, the housing prices will continue to collapse too! till they match wages. along with just about every thing else!&#8221;</p>
<p>There is nothing that can be done short of armed conflict that will stop the ongoing international wage arbitrage where, for example, the Chinese peasant enters the industrial work force making widgets to get better pay than he got at subsistence farming, but his doing so drives down the wages of the American worker that was already making widgets for a princely salary, with benefits.  Until the peasant&#8217;s wages and the American worker&#8217;s wages roughly equillibrate in terms of buying power, the arbitrage will continue.  When an hour&#8217;s worth of labor in China (or elsewhere&#8211;pick a trading partner) buys a Big Mac combo, supersized, like it does for min wage workers here, then wages in America will stop dropping.</p>
<p>As for housing, wages did not drive the prices up.  Plain and simply, too much money/credit did, causing housing to become a speculative investment vehicle instead of a home.  Wages for American workers have barely risen, on a real, inflation-adjusted basis, since the 70&#8217;s (international wage arbitrage, above).  Housing prices have much left to fall to return to the fundamental value in the main benefit of ownership, i.e., as shelter.   Anything, including preventing (which is really only forestalling) foreclosures that tries to make an artificial bottom in housing will only delay the inevitable.</p>
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		<title>By: willid3</title>
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		<dc:creator>willid3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 21:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i wonder why some complain that other might get a bail out since they were responsible. now that we have blamed the buyers lets consider this. if your neighbor is one of those who got sucked into this debacle, it means that if that home if foreclosed on (eventually. sort of wonder why the lenders are bothering. what are they going to do with that house when they get it back? sell it? for .50 on the dollar?). and that means in the following years  you might get one benefit, lower property taxes, but you will definitely get a home that worth less, maybe a lot less (remember the lender sold that home they foreclosed on for 1/2 price).  which may mean you got tagged to.      it may not matter to you now as you have no plans to sell. but you may have to for some unforeseen event have to. and now you may join your neighbor in this debacle as your home is now worth less than what you owe on it too!
now can some one tell me what any body is really doing to solve the real problem. that would be those collapsing wages, until we fix that, the housing prices will continue to collapse too! till they match wages. along with just about every thing else!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i wonder why some complain that other might get a bail out since they were responsible. now that we have blamed the buyers lets consider this. if your neighbor is one of those who got sucked into this debacle, it means that if that home if foreclosed on (eventually. sort of wonder why the lenders are bothering. what are they going to do with that house when they get it back? sell it? for .50 on the dollar?). and that means in the following years  you might get one benefit, lower property taxes, but you will definitely get a home that worth less, maybe a lot less (remember the lender sold that home they foreclosed on for 1/2 price).  which may mean you got tagged to.      it may not matter to you now as you have no plans to sell. but you may have to for some unforeseen event have to. and now you may join your neighbor in this debacle as your home is now worth less than what you owe on it too!<br />
now can some one tell me what any body is really doing to solve the real problem. that would be those collapsing wages, until we fix that, the housing prices will continue to collapse too! till they match wages. along with just about every thing else!</p>
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