GDP Too Good
Vincent Farrell, Jr. is Chief Investment Officer of Scotsman Capital Management LLC., a New York based investment management company. Over his long career on Wall Street, he has worked for numerous distinguished firms. Mr. Farrell graduated from Princeton University in 1969 and received his M.B.A. from the Iona College Graduate School of Business in 1972.
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Q4 Gross Domestic Product came in much better than expected, falling “only” 3.8%. But, and there seems to always be a but, inventories grew and added 1.3% to the final number. We had been hoping for inventory liquidation so we could have a sort of wash out quarter. Since inventories will still need to be pared back I would guess that the first quarter GDP will be more in line with the quarter just reported.
If you look at the bum economic quarters since WW II most have been followed by a subsequently better quarter. If you take all the quarters where GDP fell by 4% or more (11 in total) the average decline has been around 5.5% and the average recovery quarter has been a positive 1.7%. The numbers are all over the lot and there is a wide disparity in performance, but that is how it breaks out. It would have been better to have had a worse Q4 and get some of the pain over with. I do suspect that anyone that had a dream for a second half recovery will need to push back the time horizon.
That does not mean the stock market needs to fall to new lows. It could. But as we have been saying bottoms usually take 6 to 12 months to form and the news will stay unrelentingly bad during the process. We are only four months into what I hope will prove to be the process that marks a bottom so the calendar is on schedule – market against the economy. And while the market has not gone down recently on bad news, it has not gone up either. We’ll be more in the clear when stocks rally on bad news.
If the stock market is to have hope for tomorrow the credit markets need to heal themselves. The news there has been, on balance, more encouraging than not. The TED spread we look at so often is now less than 100 basis points. That is the difference between the three month Libor rate and the three month US Treasury bill rate. “Normal” is around 50 basis points. The ten year Treasury has moved from a 2.2% yield to its current 2.8%. That is probably the markets acknowledgment of the large supply of paper that will need to be sold by the Treasury to finance the stimulus package and the growing deficit. 30 year fixed rate mortgages are around 5.1% so the difference between the two is 2.3% and the historic spread is around 170 basis points. So even though the 10 year bond has moved up in yield, it should be no surprise with the volume of financing needed and the good news is the spreads are improving.
The commercial paper market seems to be back on its feet as the latest report shows that the Fed’s holdings of commercial paper fell by over $90 billion which means other financing methods were available to those companies.
Lastly there is a lot of noise and pro/con debate about the bad bank concept. Hopefully we will get the government’s thoughts soon, since I think it’s needed and although imperfect, better than what we aren’t doing right now.


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January 31st, 2009 at 8:55 am
I am not picking on Vince, BUT where is the “news”, the new idea,” here’s what I see”….
This is the problem with investment advisors… I could have written the article above, and said just as much, or just as little…
As this drags on be sure that if you are using an advisor, that you are getting more real information than this rehash…
January 31st, 2009 at 10:12 am
I don’t take Vince very seriously any more after seeing him suck up to LK last Fall in picking market bottoms.
Remember how Bush reached the point of becoming so radioactive among other politicians? LK will soon join him as he continues to spew his political elitist blather. It is obvious the Pubs hate the Dems and Obama and are not going to put “America first” unless it puts money into their collective pockets. It’s all about greed and money with the Pubs. I guess it always was.
That is something to watch for during this new year as Larry reveals more about his character. Did you notice Luskin in a suit the other night? What’s that all about?
Watch, listen and learn is the best advice I can give. Use your own brain, not someone else’s.
IMO as the Kudlow Klan continues their attempt to shift all of the problems from the Pubs to the Dems, it will finally begin to sink into the heads of many Americans that much of what they hear and see on TV and radio are nothing more than lies.
It is time for people to open their eyes and use their own brain for reaching their conclusions. Only then will we be closer to the truth.
January 31st, 2009 at 9:19 pm
Government manipulates statistics on GDP and Inflation trough substitution/weighting/hedonics adjustments. And its not just the US government. All do it, some more than others. I´m sure mine does it.You should not trust these figures 100%. The TED spread can be much lower then in the last few months, but it has to be, with the FED and Governments bailing out everyone. However, many investors, including guys who predicted the burst of the real estate bubble and the subsequent deleverging that we are seeing ,(max keiser, peter schiff, roudini ) believe the worst is yeat to come regarding the toxic assets that banks still have in ther balance sheets. couple that with the huge amounts of money being printed that will lead to inflation on the long (or not so long) run, and the picture gets very gloomy.
February 1st, 2009 at 10:16 am
BR….I’m losing respect, why do you keep putting this putz in the cafe, he is useless, i repeat, useless….and does not deserve this publicity…he gets plenty from CNBC and I have never heard an original thought or idea from him…