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	<title>Comments on: Joseph Stiglitz and Martin Feldstein Discuss Stimulus</title>
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		<title>By: Gabriel</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/01/joseph-stiglitz-and-martin-feldstein-discuss-stimulus/comment-page-1/#comment-138099</link>
		<dc:creator>Gabriel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 23:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot of mumbling of words, but no clear solution. Even Rose, a non-economist, picked up on the uncertain language. Feldstein couldn&#039;t connect the dots as to why this time it&#039;s different, after he proposed that it was different this time. The reason appeared to be that Keynesians cannot explain this situation. I&#039;m getting more and more convinced that Austrian School is right. I wonder how Shedlock would have whipped both of them.

The two of them suggesting a bailout of house-owners by subsidizing the value of their mortgages opens up Pandora&#039;s box. If there is a way, people will abuse the privilege, so the good old moral hazard would be the biggest issue in that solution. These solutions work only in ideal lab environment of academia - completely useless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of mumbling of words, but no clear solution. Even Rose, a non-economist, picked up on the uncertain language. Feldstein couldn&#8217;t connect the dots as to why this time it&#8217;s different, after he proposed that it was different this time. The reason appeared to be that Keynesians cannot explain this situation. I&#8217;m getting more and more convinced that Austrian School is right. I wonder how Shedlock would have whipped both of them.</p>
<p>The two of them suggesting a bailout of house-owners by subsidizing the value of their mortgages opens up Pandora&#8217;s box. If there is a way, people will abuse the privilege, so the good old moral hazard would be the biggest issue in that solution. These solutions work only in ideal lab environment of academia &#8211; completely useless.</p>
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		<title>By: leftback</title>
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		<dc:creator>leftback</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 21:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I watched this and it was excellent and sobering. I agree with Bruce in TN about the Rosenberg piece as well with regard to housing inventory being THE key variable, as CR and Barry have pointed out often. 

You can probably look forward to some &quot;urban renewal&quot; projects where some inner-city housing gets bulldozed to reduce supply. This gambit was used a couple of times in the UK on a smaller scale as part of social engineering projects. 

Not sure about those new exurban tracts that used to be farmland... or jobs for the people who live there. I suppose they could be scarecrows?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I watched this and it was excellent and sobering. I agree with Bruce in TN about the Rosenberg piece as well with regard to housing inventory being THE key variable, as CR and Barry have pointed out often. </p>
<p>You can probably look forward to some &#8220;urban renewal&#8221; projects where some inner-city housing gets bulldozed to reduce supply. This gambit was used a couple of times in the UK on a smaller scale as part of social engineering projects. </p>
<p>Not sure about those new exurban tracts that used to be farmland&#8230; or jobs for the people who live there. I suppose they could be scarecrows?</p>
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		<title>By: DL</title>
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		<dc:creator>DL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 17:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mish has a take on Obama’s “stimulus”

“Obama has been working with his advisers so that the proposed $750-billion-and-counting package of tax breaks and spending on infrastructure, education, health care and unemployment insurance is ready to go on Day One.

There are currently about 10 million unemployed workers in the U.S. (The Bureau of Labor Statistics defines as unemployed those persons who didn’t work in the week of the monthly employment survey, were available for work and made an effort to find work in the previous month.)

“If we write a check for $75,000 to each of the unemployed, we won’t have anyone ‘unemployed,’” said former Treasury Secretary Paul O’Neill.

O’Neill did the math so you don’t have to. Each job “will cost $250,000, which doesn’t suggest much labor intensity for the dollars spent,” he said. “It makes me wonder if any of the planners or commentators are good at arithmetic.”

They’re not good at arithmetic. And one wonders about their facility with economics.

If putting people to work is the goal, we could get rid of all the heavy earth-moving equipment and go back to digging ditches with shovels.

Why stop there? If it takes one man two days to dig a trench three feet deep and 30 feet long with a shovel, how long would it take 100 men using spoons?”

http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/


&gt;&gt; So let’s just write everyone a check for $75K.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mish has a take on Obama’s “stimulus”</p>
<p>“Obama has been working with his advisers so that the proposed $750-billion-and-counting package of tax breaks and spending on infrastructure, education, health care and unemployment insurance is ready to go on Day One.</p>
<p>There are currently about 10 million unemployed workers in the U.S. (The Bureau of Labor Statistics defines as unemployed those persons who didn’t work in the week of the monthly employment survey, were available for work and made an effort to find work in the previous month.)</p>
<p>“If we write a check for $75,000 to each of the unemployed, we won’t have anyone ‘unemployed,’” said former Treasury Secretary Paul O’Neill.</p>
<p>O’Neill did the math so you don’t have to. Each job “will cost $250,000, which doesn’t suggest much labor intensity for the dollars spent,” he said. “It makes me wonder if any of the planners or commentators are good at arithmetic.”</p>
<p>They’re not good at arithmetic. And one wonders about their facility with economics.</p>
<p>If putting people to work is the goal, we could get rid of all the heavy earth-moving equipment and go back to digging ditches with shovels.</p>
<p>Why stop there? If it takes one man two days to dig a trench three feet deep and 30 feet long with a shovel, how long would it take 100 men using spoons?”</p>
<p><a href="http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/</a></p>
<p>&gt;&gt; So let’s just write everyone a check for $75K.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce in Tn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce in Tn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 16:06:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heard an interesting idea this morning on CNBC...have municipalities stop building permits until this housing surplus is fixed.  Interesting idea, I think by David Rosenberg, and he is right, the country won&#039;t get back on its feet until the housing surplus, and its drain on the economy is righted.  My thought, is why not use some of the TARP money to take the place of the money the municipalities get from issuing the building permits, inspections, sewer fees, etc.  The builders are getting crushed anyway, and maybe they would have a timeline that they could count on to get back in business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heard an interesting idea this morning on CNBC&#8230;have municipalities stop building permits until this housing surplus is fixed.  Interesting idea, I think by David Rosenberg, and he is right, the country won&#8217;t get back on its feet until the housing surplus, and its drain on the economy is righted.  My thought, is why not use some of the TARP money to take the place of the money the municipalities get from issuing the building permits, inspections, sewer fees, etc.  The builders are getting crushed anyway, and maybe they would have a timeline that they could count on to get back in business.</p>
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		<title>By: km4</title>
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		<dc:creator>km4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 15:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron Paul: Failure of dollar will dwarf current crisis

President-elect Barack Obama has started warning that getting the country out of its current economic hole may mean trillion-dollar deficits for years to come -- but Rep. Ron Paul has very different ideas.

&quot;I think it&#039;s just more of the same,&quot; the former presidential candidate told CNN&#039;s John Roberts on Wednesday. &quot;I don&#039;t think it&#039;ll solve the problems. It&#039;s turning the spending responsibility over to government rather than individuals, and that&#039;s not the way you make an economy work.&quot;

&quot;To me it&#039;s a philosophic problem,&quot; Paul insisted. &quot;Why are we spending all this money? ... We cannot solve our problem by doing exactly the same thing that got us into this mess.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron Paul: Failure of dollar will dwarf current crisis</p>
<p>President-elect Barack Obama has started warning that getting the country out of its current economic hole may mean trillion-dollar deficits for years to come &#8212; but Rep. Ron Paul has very different ideas.</p>
<p>&#8220;I think it&#8217;s just more of the same,&#8221; the former presidential candidate told CNN&#8217;s John Roberts on Wednesday. &#8220;I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;ll solve the problems. It&#8217;s turning the spending responsibility over to government rather than individuals, and that&#8217;s not the way you make an economy work.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;To me it&#8217;s a philosophic problem,&#8221; Paul insisted. &#8220;Why are we spending all this money? &#8230; We cannot solve our problem by doing exactly the same thing that got us into this mess.&#8221;</p>
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