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		<title>By: Dow</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/01/l-o-n-g-recession/comment-page-1/#comment-137596</link>
		<dc:creator>Dow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 06:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The more I read articles like the above, the more it feels like the Great Correction is only just getting started.</description>
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		<title>By: Kent @ The Financial Philosopher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kent @ The Financial Philosopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 20:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bruce:

I only partially disagree with you but respect your opinions completely.  With regard to your commenting that you &quot;strongly disagree that the majority of investors can&#039;t make sound decisions about the source of information,&quot; perhaps I could have worded my preceding comment better.

I agree that investors can potentially make sound decisions but there certainly is no evidence that investors, as a collective herd, are making more sound decisions today because of financial blogs.

I will also agree that blogs, in general, as you say, are a &quot;good thing.&quot;  

I believe that an individual should allocate their attention much as a prudent investor might allocate their investment assets:  A diverse mix of information sources (books, periodicals, blogs, etc) is certainly prudent; however, too much of a &quot;good thing&quot; can be potentially hazardous to one&#039;s financial health.

Ultimately, and in my opinion, moderation and self-awareness are valuable in almost any human endeavor.

“Moderation, which consists in indifference about little things, and in a prudent and well-proportioned zeal about things of importance, can proceed from nothing but true knowledge, which has its foundation in self-acquaintance.” ~ Plato

With regard to Texas and Tennessee, both are great states but I do find it quite interesting that Sam Houston was a Tennessean...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruce:</p>
<p>I only partially disagree with you but respect your opinions completely.  With regard to your commenting that you &#8220;strongly disagree that the majority of investors can&#8217;t make sound decisions about the source of information,&#8221; perhaps I could have worded my preceding comment better.</p>
<p>I agree that investors can potentially make sound decisions but there certainly is no evidence that investors, as a collective herd, are making more sound decisions today because of financial blogs.</p>
<p>I will also agree that blogs, in general, as you say, are a &#8220;good thing.&#8221;  </p>
<p>I believe that an individual should allocate their attention much as a prudent investor might allocate their investment assets:  A diverse mix of information sources (books, periodicals, blogs, etc) is certainly prudent; however, too much of a &#8220;good thing&#8221; can be potentially hazardous to one&#8217;s financial health.</p>
<p>Ultimately, and in my opinion, moderation and self-awareness are valuable in almost any human endeavor.</p>
<p>“Moderation, which consists in indifference about little things, and in a prudent and well-proportioned zeal about things of importance, can proceed from nothing but true knowledge, which has its foundation in self-acquaintance.” ~ Plato</p>
<p>With regard to Texas and Tennessee, both are great states but I do find it quite interesting that Sam Houston was a Tennessean&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce N Tennessee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce N Tennessee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 19:28:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kent:

That thinking is way too Orwellian for me.  The blogs aren&#039;t supposed to give &quot;good judgement&quot;...that is up to us as a sentient being.  And I strongly disagree that the majority of investors can&#039;t make sound decisions about the source of information. Biblically it would be akin to separating the wheat from the chaff.  But that too, is why blogs are a good thing, so we can discuss that with which we disagree.  And I was born in Texas, but by the grace of .......you know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kent:</p>
<p>That thinking is way too Orwellian for me.  The blogs aren&#8217;t supposed to give &#8220;good judgement&#8221;&#8230;that is up to us as a sentient being.  And I strongly disagree that the majority of investors can&#8217;t make sound decisions about the source of information. Biblically it would be akin to separating the wheat from the chaff.  But that too, is why blogs are a good thing, so we can discuss that with which we disagree.  And I was born in Texas, but by the grace of &#8230;&#8230;.you know.</p>
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		<title>By: The Curmudgeon</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Curmudgeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 19:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a) &quot;recession&quot; , as has been duly noted here many times, is often as much a matter of semantics as it is about economic contraction--for example, the &quot;recessions&quot; of &#039;90-&#039;91 and &#039;01 were so mild as to be barely noticeable.

b) even though &#039;29-&#039;33 was the longest before this one, remember that it was followed by expansions that quickly collapsed, most notably in 1937.  It wasn&#039;t until we got ourselves in a good ol&#039; empire-building war that sustainable and more or less steady growth obtained, and lasted until the seventies.

c) the seventies through &#039;82 seem very similar here....while the economy might&#039;n contract every quarter for a longer period than &#039;29-&#039;33, it seems unlikely that true sustainable growth based on sound economic fundamentals will obtain until  something &quot;black swan-ish&quot; happens, like a war, or a truly new political direction, neither of which is bound to happen anytime soon.  It&#039;s apt to be a long slog, and I fear we have a long way down yet to go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a) &#8220;recession&#8221; , as has been duly noted here many times, is often as much a matter of semantics as it is about economic contraction&#8211;for example, the &#8220;recessions&#8221; of &#8216;90-&#8217;91 and &#8216;01 were so mild as to be barely noticeable.</p>
<p>b) even though &#8216;29-&#8217;33 was the longest before this one, remember that it was followed by expansions that quickly collapsed, most notably in 1937.  It wasn&#8217;t until we got ourselves in a good ol&#8217; empire-building war that sustainable and more or less steady growth obtained, and lasted until the seventies.</p>
<p>c) the seventies through &#8216;82 seem very similar here&#8230;.while the economy might&#8217;n contract every quarter for a longer period than &#8216;29-&#8217;33, it seems unlikely that true sustainable growth based on sound economic fundamentals will obtain until  something &#8220;black swan-ish&#8221; happens, like a war, or a truly new political direction, neither of which is bound to happen anytime soon.  It&#8217;s apt to be a long slog, and I fear we have a long way down yet to go.</p>
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		<title>By: Kent @ The Financial Philosopher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kent @ The Financial Philosopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 18:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bruce N Tennessee:

Yes, I agree that there is certainly more information available (i.e. The Big Picture) from which a rational investor can potentially make more prudent investment decisions as compared to periods prior to the existence of such financial blogs.

It seems, however, that you may be overlooking the fact that there are millions of other blogs out there.  How many of these blogs do you believe are dispensing &quot;good judgment?&quot;

Perhaps we may agree that 10% of the financial blogs in the blogosphere dispense quality and useful information but the other 90% are just noise that add to the intensity of anxiety, which may explain why we are experiencing record levels of volatility.

We must also remember that the vast majority of investors do not have the capacity to choose between a &quot;good source&quot; of information or a &quot;bad source&quot; of information.  An increase in information simply means more choice and more potential for confusion.

Ultimately, investors are drawn to information sources that align to their conceptions (or misconceptions) of financial markets.  For example, if an investor is predisposed to a bullish view, they will likely read bullish information, which will confirm those predispositions.

Of course, none of my comments here are scientific in nature -- only logical -- so I will humbly admit that I could be completely wrong.

Also, I will add that I was born in the great state of Tennessee.

Cheers...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruce N Tennessee:</p>
<p>Yes, I agree that there is certainly more information available (i.e. The Big Picture) from which a rational investor can potentially make more prudent investment decisions as compared to periods prior to the existence of such financial blogs.</p>
<p>It seems, however, that you may be overlooking the fact that there are millions of other blogs out there.  How many of these blogs do you believe are dispensing &#8220;good judgment?&#8221;</p>
<p>Perhaps we may agree that 10% of the financial blogs in the blogosphere dispense quality and useful information but the other 90% are just noise that add to the intensity of anxiety, which may explain why we are experiencing record levels of volatility.</p>
<p>We must also remember that the vast majority of investors do not have the capacity to choose between a &#8220;good source&#8221; of information or a &#8220;bad source&#8221; of information.  An increase in information simply means more choice and more potential for confusion.</p>
<p>Ultimately, investors are drawn to information sources that align to their conceptions (or misconceptions) of financial markets.  For example, if an investor is predisposed to a bullish view, they will likely read bullish information, which will confirm those predispositions.</p>
<p>Of course, none of my comments here are scientific in nature &#8212; only logical &#8212; so I will humbly admit that I could be completely wrong.</p>
<p>Also, I will add that I was born in the great state of Tennessee.</p>
<p>Cheers&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: pmorrisonfl</title>
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		<dc:creator>pmorrisonfl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 18:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cage match:

 Philosopher/Simon&gt; &quot;Hence a wealth of information creates a poverty of attention and a need to allocate that attention efficiently among the overabundance of information sources that might consume it.&quot;

Bruce &gt; &quot;If your point is that too much information can result in bad judgement…well, I would always side on the side of too much information than too little.&quot;

In my readings of papers on safety, more attention is being paid lately to the idea that such things as aircraft and nuclear plant &#039;cockpits&#039; need to be designed to reflect the limited information processing abilities of their operators - humans - rather than simply presenting every possible reading and leaving it to human judgement to sort things out.  

I suspect it comes down to the kind of time available to reflect; the more time available for reflection, the more likely more inputs can be properly sorted out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cage match:</p>
<p> Philosopher/Simon&gt; &#8220;Hence a wealth of information creates a poverty of attention and a need to allocate that attention efficiently among the overabundance of information sources that might consume it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Bruce &gt; &#8220;If your point is that too much information can result in bad judgement…well, I would always side on the side of too much information than too little.&#8221;</p>
<p>In my readings of papers on safety, more attention is being paid lately to the idea that such things as aircraft and nuclear plant &#8216;cockpits&#8217; need to be designed to reflect the limited information processing abilities of their operators &#8211; humans &#8211; rather than simply presenting every possible reading and leaving it to human judgement to sort things out.  </p>
<p>I suspect it comes down to the kind of time available to reflect; the more time available for reflection, the more likely more inputs can be properly sorted out.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 17:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am struck by the phrase &quot;Models developed in the more normal times of the past few decades.&quot;  What makes them normal?  The historical pattern, after all, has been boom-and-bust.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am struck by the phrase &#8220;Models developed in the more normal times of the past few decades.&#8221;  What makes them normal?  The historical pattern, after all, has been boom-and-bust.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce N Tennessee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce N Tennessee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 17:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kent,

I&#039;d disagree with that...mainly these blogs and other similar sites have offered alternative opinions now since the market was 13k...Barry, Mish, Roubini...these people would have not had a voice that was widely available in 1970.  Sure the information is more topical...but alternatives to the MSM are available now to the average investor for only the cost of access to the internet.

Judgment is judgment...but if the alternative information is less available, well, then you may make the wrong choice from lack of information...

If your point is that too  much information can result in bad judgement...well, I would always side on the side of too much information than too little.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kent,</p>
<p>I&#8217;d disagree with that&#8230;mainly these blogs and other similar sites have offered alternative opinions now since the market was 13k&#8230;Barry, Mish, Roubini&#8230;these people would have not had a voice that was widely available in 1970.  Sure the information is more topical&#8230;but alternatives to the MSM are available now to the average investor for only the cost of access to the internet.</p>
<p>Judgment is judgment&#8230;but if the alternative information is less available, well, then you may make the wrong choice from lack of information&#8230;</p>
<p>If your point is that too  much information can result in bad judgement&#8230;well, I would always side on the side of too much information than too little.</p>
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		<title>By: Moss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 17:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How long does a mustard seed take to grow? We have thousands of them according to some.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How long does a mustard seed take to grow? We have thousands of them according to some.</p>
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		<title>By: Kent @ The Financial Philosopher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kent @ The Financial Philosopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 16:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Bruce N Tennessee @ 9:26 am:

Assuming I am understanding your comment correctly, I would counter your comment and venture to guess that the velocity and abundance of information via the proliferation of financial blogs and other investment-related web sites has changed the playing field for investors -- not necessarily for the good or the bad -- but primarily in intensity.

More information may translate into more knowledge but this increase in the speed and availability of knowledge outside of the mainstream media does not translate into  more wisdom or good judgment -- it actually creates more distraction and noise; hence more opportunity for an increase in bad judgment (albeit at a faster, broader and deeper scale).

&quot;... in an information-rich world, the wealth of information means a dearth of something else:  a scarcity of whatever it is that information consumes.  What information consumes is rather obvious:  it consumes the attention of its recipients.  Hence a wealth of information creates a poverty of attention and a need to allocate that attention efficiently among the overabundance of information sources that might consume it.&quot; ~ Herbert Simon (1916 - 2001)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Bruce N Tennessee @ 9:26 am:</p>
<p>Assuming I am understanding your comment correctly, I would counter your comment and venture to guess that the velocity and abundance of information via the proliferation of financial blogs and other investment-related web sites has changed the playing field for investors &#8212; not necessarily for the good or the bad &#8212; but primarily in intensity.</p>
<p>More information may translate into more knowledge but this increase in the speed and availability of knowledge outside of the mainstream media does not translate into  more wisdom or good judgment &#8212; it actually creates more distraction and noise; hence more opportunity for an increase in bad judgment (albeit at a faster, broader and deeper scale).</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230; in an information-rich world, the wealth of information means a dearth of something else:  a scarcity of whatever it is that information consumes.  What information consumes is rather obvious:  it consumes the attention of its recipients.  Hence a wealth of information creates a poverty of attention and a need to allocate that attention efficiently among the overabundance of information sources that might consume it.&#8221; ~ Herbert Simon (1916 &#8211; 2001)</p>
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