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		<title>By: hjortsbergster</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/01/risk-mismanagement-var/comment-page-1/#comment-137438</link>
		<dc:creator>hjortsbergster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 11:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you liked this article you must read: 

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2009/01/woefully-misleading-piece-on-value-at.html

Which discusses the article above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you liked this article you must read: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2009/01/woefully-misleading-piece-on-value-at.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2009/01/woefully-misleading-piece-on-value-at.html</a></p>
<p>Which discusses the article above.</p>
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		<title>By: JG</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/01/risk-mismanagement-var/comment-page-1/#comment-137358</link>
		<dc:creator>JG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 18:57:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The limitations of VaR were widely known and considered.   The main issue on Wall Street was the lack of investment in alternative analytical tools and systems to measure risk, and the discounting of opinions of those who predicted an end to the party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The limitations of VaR were widely known and considered.   The main issue on Wall Street was the lack of investment in alternative analytical tools and systems to measure risk, and the discounting of opinions of those who predicted an end to the party.</p>
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		<title>By: Moss</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/01/risk-mismanagement-var/comment-page-1/#comment-137327</link>
		<dc:creator>Moss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 16:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@danm:
Also prudence  

What exactly was the black swan event???
No single event represents this crisis.
A number of factors led up to it.

In the end it is human behavior.  
What motivated the behavior?  Ego, hubris, greed, Ideology, group think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@danm:<br />
Also prudence  </p>
<p>What exactly was the black swan event???<br />
No single event represents this crisis.<br />
A number of factors led up to it.</p>
<p>In the end it is human behavior.<br />
What motivated the behavior?  Ego, hubris, greed, Ideology, group think.</p>
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		<title>By: danm</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/01/risk-mismanagement-var/comment-page-1/#comment-137298</link>
		<dc:creator>danm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 13:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We need to move from finance based models of risk to actuarial models of risk
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Actuarial models are entirely based on past experience and based on the same math principles.  As a portfolio manager, we used those tools/models because the consultants (actuaries) NEEDED to see numbers!

No model will ever catch the black swan event. 

There is one basic principle to keep a system stable...

1.  Consistency. 

Your breakfast is not 4 toasts when you are thin and 2 toasts when you are trying to lose weight.  The key to maintaining your weight is to get the number of toasts right sticking to it.

Other examples:
You don&#039;t lower rates by 6% in in year
You don&#039;t go from 20% down to 0% down
You don&#039;t use historical data when the types of mortgages have changed

The list goes on.

Obviously consistency is not attractive nor exciting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We need to move from finance based models of risk to actuarial models of risk<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<br />
Actuarial models are entirely based on past experience and based on the same math principles.  As a portfolio manager, we used those tools/models because the consultants (actuaries) NEEDED to see numbers!</p>
<p>No model will ever catch the black swan event. </p>
<p>There is one basic principle to keep a system stable&#8230;</p>
<p>1.  Consistency. </p>
<p>Your breakfast is not 4 toasts when you are thin and 2 toasts when you are trying to lose weight.  The key to maintaining your weight is to get the number of toasts right sticking to it.</p>
<p>Other examples:<br />
You don&#8217;t lower rates by 6% in in year<br />
You don&#8217;t go from 20% down to 0% down<br />
You don&#8217;t use historical data when the types of mortgages have changed</p>
<p>The list goes on.</p>
<p>Obviously consistency is not attractive nor exciting.</p>
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		<title>By: danm</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/01/risk-mismanagement-var/comment-page-1/#comment-137297</link>
		<dc:creator>danm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 13:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing about the quants is that people often confuse hard work and knowledge of a narrow discipline with intelligence
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So true.  When I was doing my math degree, there was a high functioning autistic math genius in the program who only got 99s and 100s.  I guess the best comparison I could make is that he was like Raymond in Rainman, somebody had to direct him and tell him where to use his intelligence.

Our society admires genius and barely notices a well-rounded person with above average intelligence in all areas...  Diversification is not only key in portfolio management but in most areas of life, yet is rarely valued.

It&#039;s no wonder risk is mismanaged, we don&#039;t value the right types of people and intelligence for our own good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing about the quants is that people often confuse hard work and knowledge of a narrow discipline with intelligence<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
So true.  When I was doing my math degree, there was a high functioning autistic math genius in the program who only got 99s and 100s.  I guess the best comparison I could make is that he was like Raymond in Rainman, somebody had to direct him and tell him where to use his intelligence.</p>
<p>Our society admires genius and barely notices a well-rounded person with above average intelligence in all areas&#8230;  Diversification is not only key in portfolio management but in most areas of life, yet is rarely valued.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s no wonder risk is mismanaged, we don&#8217;t value the right types of people and intelligence for our own good.</p>
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		<title>By: David Merkel</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Merkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 05:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We need to move from finance based models of risk to actuarial models of risk.  The pity is that the actuarial societies have been silent because of a misbegotten inferiority complex because of the seeming success of Wall Street models.

I&#039;ll write about this at my blog soon.  The main idea is to have risk models that work even when markets freeze up.  If you can&#039;t live with the markets being closed, or even wide bid-ask spreads, your risk model does not work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We need to move from finance based models of risk to actuarial models of risk.  The pity is that the actuarial societies have been silent because of a misbegotten inferiority complex because of the seeming success of Wall Street models.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll write about this at my blog soon.  The main idea is to have risk models that work even when markets freeze up.  If you can&#8217;t live with the markets being closed, or even wide bid-ask spreads, your risk model does not work.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike in Nola</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/01/risk-mismanagement-var/comment-page-1/#comment-137277</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike in Nola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 05:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks. Very cogent article. When I saw how many pages it was, I almost gave up, thinking here&#039;s someone failing at trying to explain something very complicated. But, he did a good job. Taleb sounds just like I pictured him after reading his books.

The thing about the quants is that people often confuse hard work and knowledge of a narrow discipline with intelligence. They are not the same. I remember some of the Ph.D&#039;s in the math dept. where I studied were really not very bright, but they did have a Ph.D. Quants may be able to do all those calculations, but they may not be able to tell you when they are worth anything. 

My two cents: 

VaR is like many other things where people try to apply complicated mathematics to situations for which they aren&#039;t meant. It looks impressive to those who don&#039;t know any better and gives them a feeling of certainty which is something many like. 

I remember after getting my M.S., I interviewed with a small company that did predictions of future energy needs for whatever Entergy used to be called 30 years ago. They did it by fitting curves to past numbers and thinking that the curve was predictive. Of course, the curve only told you what &lt;i&gt;had&lt;/i&gt; happened and not what &lt;i&gt;would&lt;/i&gt; happen. Real BS

I tend to agree with those who said that VaR was good for showing you when things were getting abnormal. For that, it&#039;s probably a useful tool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks. Very cogent article. When I saw how many pages it was, I almost gave up, thinking here&#8217;s someone failing at trying to explain something very complicated. But, he did a good job. Taleb sounds just like I pictured him after reading his books.</p>
<p>The thing about the quants is that people often confuse hard work and knowledge of a narrow discipline with intelligence. They are not the same. I remember some of the Ph.D&#8217;s in the math dept. where I studied were really not very bright, but they did have a Ph.D. Quants may be able to do all those calculations, but they may not be able to tell you when they are worth anything. </p>
<p>My two cents: </p>
<p>VaR is like many other things where people try to apply complicated mathematics to situations for which they aren&#8217;t meant. It looks impressive to those who don&#8217;t know any better and gives them a feeling of certainty which is something many like. </p>
<p>I remember after getting my M.S., I interviewed with a small company that did predictions of future energy needs for whatever Entergy used to be called 30 years ago. They did it by fitting curves to past numbers and thinking that the curve was predictive. Of course, the curve only told you what <i>had</i> happened and not what <i>would</i> happen. Real BS</p>
<p>I tend to agree with those who said that VaR was good for showing you when things were getting abnormal. For that, it&#8217;s probably a useful tool.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce in Tn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce in Tn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 05:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Risk mismanagement on a governmental level:

http://www.reuters.com/article/ousiv/idUSTRE5021V320090104

When all you have is an elephant gun, everything looks like a charging elephant...

good night.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Risk mismanagement on a governmental level:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/ousiv/idUSTRE5021V320090104" rel="nofollow">http://www.reuters.com/article/ousiv/idUSTRE5021V320090104</a></p>
<p>When all you have is an elephant gun, everything looks like a charging elephant&#8230;</p>
<p>good night.</p>
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		<title>By: gorobei</title>
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		<dc:creator>gorobei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 04:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KJ,

Bill Werner is an optimist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KJ,</p>
<p>Bill Werner is an optimist.</p>
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		<title>By: KJ Foehr</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/01/risk-mismanagement-var/comment-page-1/#comment-137269</link>
		<dc:creator>KJ Foehr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 04:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Bill Werner 

Wiser words I have rarely read.  Thank you for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Bill Werner </p>
<p>Wiser words I have rarely read.  Thank you for that.</p>
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