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	<title>Comments on: Trading With the Big Boys</title>
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		<title>By: mkkby</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/01/trading-with-the-big-boys/comment-page-1/#comment-143313</link>
		<dc:creator>mkkby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 20:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why bother proving it.  First of all, you can&#039;t prove anything.  All results are subject to starting criteria bias.  Second, people who believe in systems aren&#039;t the types who require proof.  All systems work sometimes and fail at others.  But most people want to believe in Santa Claus and free lunches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why bother proving it.  First of all, you can&#8217;t prove anything.  All results are subject to starting criteria bias.  Second, people who believe in systems aren&#8217;t the types who require proof.  All systems work sometimes and fail at others.  But most people want to believe in Santa Claus and free lunches.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry Ritholtz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry Ritholtz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 21:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On my list of things to do just that on many of these other indices -- not just S&amp;P500 and DJIA, but things like the IBD and Valueline ranks and others -- then overlay the Fusion Ranking system, on top of them.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On my list of things to do just that on many of these other indices &#8212; not just S&#038;P500 and DJIA, but things like the IBD and Valueline ranks and others &#8212; then overlay the Fusion Ranking system, on top of them.</p>
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		<title>By: NovBear</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/01/trading-with-the-big-boys/comment-page-1/#comment-143107</link>
		<dc:creator>NovBear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 14:39:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Barry,

Given FusionIQs use of technicals and fundamentals, I was wondering how your screens compare with the IBD 100 and IBD 200.    For example, what would be the FusionIQ scores for a typical IBD 100 list during a bull market?  Are most of the IBD 100 stocks highly ranked by FusionIQ?  Are there important stocks that IBD misses?  How important is relative strength in FusionIQ&#039;s screens?  

Thanks,

Paul</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Barry,</p>
<p>Given FusionIQs use of technicals and fundamentals, I was wondering how your screens compare with the IBD 100 and IBD 200.    For example, what would be the FusionIQ scores for a typical IBD 100 list during a bull market?  Are most of the IBD 100 stocks highly ranked by FusionIQ?  Are there important stocks that IBD misses?  How important is relative strength in FusionIQ&#8217;s screens?  </p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>Paul</p>
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		<title>By: Barry Ritholtz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry Ritholtz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 20:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have a white paper coming out, by a 3rd party who objectively testing the software. The results were quite good.

Our own back-testing -- verified by a different outside tester (a fractal analyst) --  showed that the returns are monotonic. The stocks ranked 90 or higher do  better than the 80-90, which do better than 70-80, etc. 

The total market (all stocks) averaged around 70 . Stocks below that raking tend to underperform, and stocks above tend to out-perform.  Note I say tend, because a few sub-70 stocks out performed while a few above 70 stocks underperformed.  But the average return of the group. 

One caveat: the 0-10 stocks were an odd cohort -- those that did not go out of business (!) tended to do well as deep value stocks.

~~~

You can use the ValueEngine tool you referenced as a good way to find cheap stocks. We always recommend using other disciplines if they work for you.  However, we don&#039;t like huge drawdowns.  So we have built into this tool a risk management/capital preservation algorithm. 

Other tools like value engine do not. See their VE Standard 20 -- Long Strategy  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.valuengine.com/pub/main?p=4&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;draw down during the crash&lt;/a&gt; -- it was a horrific 68.85%; VE Star 20 -- Long Strategy was down -70.42%


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have a white paper coming out, by a 3rd party who objectively testing the software. The results were quite good.</p>
<p>Our own back-testing &#8212; verified by a different outside tester (a fractal analyst) &#8212;  showed that the returns are monotonic. The stocks ranked 90 or higher do  better than the 80-90, which do better than 70-80, etc. </p>
<p>The total market (all stocks) averaged around 70 . Stocks below that raking tend to underperform, and stocks above tend to out-perform.  Note I say tend, because a few sub-70 stocks out performed while a few above 70 stocks underperformed.  But the average return of the group. </p>
<p>One caveat: the 0-10 stocks were an odd cohort &#8212; those that did not go out of business (!) tended to do well as deep value stocks.</p>
<p>~~~</p>
<p>You can use the ValueEngine tool you referenced as a good way to find cheap stocks. We always recommend using other disciplines if they work for you.  However, we don&#8217;t like huge drawdowns.  So we have built into this tool a risk management/capital preservation algorithm. </p>
<p>Other tools like value engine do not. See their VE Standard 20 &#8212; Long Strategy  <a href="http://www.valuengine.com/pub/main?p=4" rel="nofollow">draw down during the crash</a> &#8212; it was a horrific 68.85%; VE Star 20 &#8212; Long Strategy was down -70.42%</p>
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		<title>By: tranchefoot</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/01/trading-with-the-big-boys/comment-page-1/#comment-143023</link>
		<dc:creator>tranchefoot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 19:12:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A couple of good calls does not an analysis tool make, let alone a trading system!  For an unbiased view of a supposedly unbiased analytical tool,  please publish  a ratio of good calls to bad calls or false positive/false negative rates or  a sample portfolio or something!  Also, how does this tool distinguish itself from Tradestation, eSignal, Value Engine, etc.?  

Thanks in advance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of good calls does not an analysis tool make, let alone a trading system!  For an unbiased view of a supposedly unbiased analytical tool,  please publish  a ratio of good calls to bad calls or false positive/false negative rates or  a sample portfolio or something!  Also, how does this tool distinguish itself from Tradestation, eSignal, Value Engine, etc.?  </p>
<p>Thanks in advance.</p>
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