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		<title>By: Avl Dao</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/02/depression-vs-recession/comment-page-1/#comment-149471</link>
		<dc:creator>Avl Dao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 03:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>meant to say, &quot;1) Did They Leap Far?   Or was it backwards?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>meant to say, &#8220;1) Did They Leap Far?   Or was it backwards?</p>
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		<title>By: Avl Dao</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/02/depression-vs-recession/comment-page-1/#comment-149470</link>
		<dc:creator>Avl Dao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 03:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gorobei;  U blamed it all on ur dad&#039;s profession/generation?  Ouch.

Che Stadium:  1) Did the Leap Far?  2) At somepoint in the past, every place practiced local production if only because of the limitations of transport technology at that time. Logic tells us that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gorobei;  U blamed it all on ur dad&#8217;s profession/generation?  Ouch.</p>
<p>Che Stadium:  1) Did the Leap Far?  2) At somepoint in the past, every place practiced local production if only because of the limitations of transport technology at that time. Logic tells us that.</p>
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		<title>By: MexicaliBlues</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/02/depression-vs-recession/comment-page-1/#comment-149322</link>
		<dc:creator>MexicaliBlues</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 16:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AT:  excellent analysis as always, thank you.

It does feel like playing with fire to press the short side from here, or at least it seems there will be better levels to be short from going forward. 

I cannot directly quote Prechter, however everything I have read on him suggests the view is that we are  finishing primary 1 down in Cycle C.  Perhaps others can confirm/expand on that.

The prospect of a 61.8 retrace of gains from 32 to 2000 is sobering!  My basement is devoid of any sort of stockpile other than cobwebs and 1/2 empty paint cans.....

Thanks again A.T. for the market panoramic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AT:  excellent analysis as always, thank you.</p>
<p>It does feel like playing with fire to press the short side from here, or at least it seems there will be better levels to be short from going forward. </p>
<p>I cannot directly quote Prechter, however everything I have read on him suggests the view is that we are  finishing primary 1 down in Cycle C.  Perhaps others can confirm/expand on that.</p>
<p>The prospect of a 61.8 retrace of gains from 32 to 2000 is sobering!  My basement is devoid of any sort of stockpile other than cobwebs and 1/2 empty paint cans&#8230;..</p>
<p>Thanks again A.T. for the market panoramic.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Tabbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Tabbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 15:33:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MexicaliBlues.

Whoa.  If he thinks what we just saw was only initial Primary Wave 1 down, then it&#039;s a dark forecast indeed!  I&#039;m really not sure what his exact count is, but I think he&#039;s counting the move down starting in 2007 as the dramatic C wave down that connects the 2000-2002 (A Wave down) and the 2002-2007 (B Wave down).

On the DJIA, the whole pattern from the 2000 highs is an &quot;expanded flat&quot; or an &quot;irregular correction.&quot; I have a few targets for the move between 6800 and 5900.  So, if I were trading a really large Spec book I would probably suggest covering 70-80% of the shorts as well.  The risk/reward down here is now favoring some sort of severe snapback rally.  We&#039;re looking at probably another 10-15% down from here, but would you want to press that trade when you&#039;re staring at the distinct possibility of a 30-40% snapback?

595 should really hold on the SP500.  That is a MAJOR, MAJOR support level and clear support zone as the 61.8% retracement of the ENTIRE 1932-2000 Bull Market.  If that level doesn&#039;t hold, then I would have to strongly recommend stockpiling guns, bullets, canned foods, gasoline, etc....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MexicaliBlues.</p>
<p>Whoa.  If he thinks what we just saw was only initial Primary Wave 1 down, then it&#8217;s a dark forecast indeed!  I&#8217;m really not sure what his exact count is, but I think he&#8217;s counting the move down starting in 2007 as the dramatic C wave down that connects the 2000-2002 (A Wave down) and the 2002-2007 (B Wave down).</p>
<p>On the DJIA, the whole pattern from the 2000 highs is an &#8220;expanded flat&#8221; or an &#8220;irregular correction.&#8221; I have a few targets for the move between 6800 and 5900.  So, if I were trading a really large Spec book I would probably suggest covering 70-80% of the shorts as well.  The risk/reward down here is now favoring some sort of severe snapback rally.  We&#8217;re looking at probably another 10-15% down from here, but would you want to press that trade when you&#8217;re staring at the distinct possibility of a 30-40% snapback?</p>
<p>595 should really hold on the SP500.  That is a MAJOR, MAJOR support level and clear support zone as the 61.8% retracement of the ENTIRE 1932-2000 Bull Market.  If that level doesn&#8217;t hold, then I would have to strongly recommend stockpiling guns, bullets, canned foods, gasoline, etc&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: MexicaliBlues</title>
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		<dc:creator>MexicaliBlues</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 14:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AT:  I did not see the interview w/ Prechter, I do know he advised closing S&amp;P short positions, not as a mkt call but simply to take profits after a tremendous gain on the short side since Oct 07.

He maintains stocks are still very overvalued by all measures, and I believe him.  However I believe his Wave count has us finishing up Primary wave 1 down, and if that is the case Primary wave 2 should provide an intermediate rally within an overall G.S. Bear.

Do you see this as a likely scenario as well AT? 

SB? even if we do ultimately crash to 500 on the SPX?

I could see a sharp fierce rally up from anywhere between 670 and 720 lasting multiple mos, followed by another collapse once folks realize there is no recovery this yr or next.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AT:  I did not see the interview w/ Prechter, I do know he advised closing S&amp;P short positions, not as a mkt call but simply to take profits after a tremendous gain on the short side since Oct 07.</p>
<p>He maintains stocks are still very overvalued by all measures, and I believe him.  However I believe his Wave count has us finishing up Primary wave 1 down, and if that is the case Primary wave 2 should provide an intermediate rally within an overall G.S. Bear.</p>
<p>Do you see this as a likely scenario as well AT? </p>
<p>SB? even if we do ultimately crash to 500 on the SPX?</p>
<p>I could see a sharp fierce rally up from anywhere between 670 and 720 lasting multiple mos, followed by another collapse once folks realize there is no recovery this yr or next.</p>
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		<title>By: Amos Satterlee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amos Satterlee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 14:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this one Barry. It finally got my wife laughing about this madness!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this one Barry. It finally got my wife laughing about this madness!</p>
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		<title>By: rktbrkr</title>
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		<dc:creator>rktbrkr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 14:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Common Man

Maybe it&#039;s time to start necklacing our bankers

http://cronkite.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/south_africa_execution_by_necklacing_13.jpg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Common Man</p>
<p>Maybe it&#8217;s time to start necklacing our bankers</p>
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		<title>By: rktbrkr</title>
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		<dc:creator>rktbrkr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 14:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I favor drecession. but we need to give it more time to see if we have wine or vinegar, I&#039;m sure the Great Depression didn&#039;t earn that label immediately. This economic event is already longer than any other post war recession and I think what will set it (farther) apart are the aftereffects of the Lehman credit &quot;panic&quot; (to use the pre GD terminology). The real estate meltdown and now job losses seem to be bottomless, haven&#039;t heard anybody announce the inning lately!

Hyperinflation following hard on the heels of the drecession is what will put this in the Economic Hall of Fame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I favor drecession. but we need to give it more time to see if we have wine or vinegar, I&#8217;m sure the Great Depression didn&#8217;t earn that label immediately. This economic event is already longer than any other post war recession and I think what will set it (farther) apart are the aftereffects of the Lehman credit &#8220;panic&#8221; (to use the pre GD terminology). The real estate meltdown and now job losses seem to be bottomless, haven&#8217;t heard anybody announce the inning lately!</p>
<p>Hyperinflation following hard on the heels of the drecession is what will put this in the Economic Hall of Fame.</p>
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		<title>By: Che Stadium</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/02/depression-vs-recession/comment-page-1/#comment-149271</link>
		<dc:creator>Che Stadium</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 12:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are early in the process to truly label the current recession/depression.  Part of the cure has been to paralyze the self-correcting mechanism of capitalism by maintaining as much overcapacity in the economy as possible.   Add in protectionism, a couple trillion in indirect cap and trade taxes,  and widespread government choosing of winners and losers, and my money is on the D word.  All of these things are in play right now.  

@Avl Dao:  There was already something tried along the lines of  &quot;promoting local production across all 50 states, depending on their competitive advantages, and promote regional economic networks internally&quot;.  It was called the Great Leap Forward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are early in the process to truly label the current recession/depression.  Part of the cure has been to paralyze the self-correcting mechanism of capitalism by maintaining as much overcapacity in the economy as possible.   Add in protectionism, a couple trillion in indirect cap and trade taxes,  and widespread government choosing of winners and losers, and my money is on the D word.  All of these things are in play right now.  </p>
<p>@Avl Dao:  There was already something tried along the lines of  &#8220;promoting local production across all 50 states, depending on their competitive advantages, and promote regional economic networks internally&#8221;.  It was called the Great Leap Forward.</p>
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		<title>By: workedlate</title>
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		<dc:creator>workedlate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 10:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only grain of hope I could imagine would be that now that everyone on TV and in the news seems to have finally thrown in the towel ...everyone saying how horrible it is and not mentioning &quot;Goldie Locks&quot; every two seconds might mean we are getting a little closer to a bottom.......but seems like Jan and Feb have really gotten the downward train rolling.


http://financialrealityrevisited.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only grain of hope I could imagine would be that now that everyone on TV and in the news seems to have finally thrown in the towel &#8230;everyone saying how horrible it is and not mentioning &#8220;Goldie Locks&#8221; every two seconds might mean we are getting a little closer to a bottom&#8230;&#8230;.but seems like Jan and Feb have really gotten the downward train rolling.</p>
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