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		<title>By: The Recent History of Gold, 1954-2009 &#171; ForgottenEcomony.com</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/02/the-recent-history-of-gold-1954-2009/comment-page-2/#comment-167931</link>
		<dc:creator>The Recent History of Gold, 1954-2009 &#171; ForgottenEcomony.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 23:11:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: goldbuggg</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/02/the-recent-history-of-gold-1954-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-148596</link>
		<dc:creator>goldbuggg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 07:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only way of surviving this depression is to protect yourself by owning precious metals. Buying physical gold coins is not a speculative investment in this economic environment. In the past holding a 10% investment in gold was considered a smart hedge against inflation, but now gold and other precious metals should make up the majority of your portfolio. 

What&#039;s interesting is that a very small percentage of US Citizens actually own physical gold. If the gold and silver ETF&#039;s didn&#039;t exist most people wouldn&#039;t even pay attention to the gold and silver markets.

Anyone that has ever held a gold coin in their hand understands the difference between the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.goldnewswire.net/gold-coin-shortage#gold-coin&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;gold coin&lt;/a&gt; and paper fiat. It&#039;s hard to detach people from the paper structure they grew up with, and unfortunately the majority of people that keep their money in paper will eventually become poor. The following article shows just how much demand there is for gold coins..... 
http://www.goldnewswire.net/gold-coin-shortage#gold-coin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only way of surviving this depression is to protect yourself by owning precious metals. Buying physical gold coins is not a speculative investment in this economic environment. In the past holding a 10% investment in gold was considered a smart hedge against inflation, but now gold and other precious metals should make up the majority of your portfolio. </p>
<p>What&#8217;s interesting is that a very small percentage of US Citizens actually own physical gold. If the gold and silver ETF&#8217;s didn&#8217;t exist most people wouldn&#8217;t even pay attention to the gold and silver markets.</p>
<p>Anyone that has ever held a gold coin in their hand understands the difference between the <a href="http://www.goldnewswire.net/gold-coin-shortage#gold-coin" rel="nofollow">gold coin</a> and paper fiat. It&#8217;s hard to detach people from the paper structure they grew up with, and unfortunately the majority of people that keep their money in paper will eventually become poor. The following article shows just how much demand there is for gold coins&#8230;..<br />
<a href="http://www.goldnewswire.net/gold-coin-shortage#gold-coin" rel="nofollow">http://www.goldnewswire.net/gold-coin-shortage#gold-coin</a></p>
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		<title>By: royrogers</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/02/the-recent-history-of-gold-1954-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-145144</link>
		<dc:creator>royrogers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 00:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>guys, the difference between the other commodities like oil and gold is that
demand has cratered for the other commodities, while gold, being the original
currency has held up well.
If I see 90% of this board siting fundamental reasons for owning gold, then that
will be the time to unload it.
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JohnDoe Says:
February 10th, 2009 at 10:21 am

How can gold possibly go up much more than 10-15% more if everybody (and their grandparents) are already invested in gold fully expecting it to skyrocket? You seldom get as much consensus for an investment as there is out there for gold right now. I just don’t see how it can work.
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John, this is not the casejust look at the market cap of financials vs gold and gold stocks
Nowhere near the bubble stage</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>guys, the difference between the other commodities like oil and gold is that<br />
demand has cratered for the other commodities, while gold, being the original<br />
currency has held up well.<br />
If I see 90% of this board siting fundamental reasons for owning gold, then that<br />
will be the time to unload it.<br />
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JohnDoe Says:<br />
February 10th, 2009 at 10:21 am</p>
<p>How can gold possibly go up much more than 10-15% more if everybody (and their grandparents) are already invested in gold fully expecting it to skyrocket? You seldom get as much consensus for an investment as there is out there for gold right now. I just don’t see how it can work.<br />
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John, this is not the casejust look at the market cap of financials vs gold and gold stocks<br />
Nowhere near the bubble stage</p>
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		<title>By: royrogers</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/02/the-recent-history-of-gold-1954-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-145142</link>
		<dc:creator>royrogers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 00:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought the Gold price was fixed now, atleast they are trying to keep a lid on it 
from going over 1000
They could also confiscate gold for US investors , if it really started to react to
the fall in the USD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought the Gold price was fixed now, atleast they are trying to keep a lid on it<br />
from going over 1000<br />
They could also confiscate gold for US investors , if it really started to react to<br />
the fall in the USD.</p>
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		<title>By: Brendan</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/02/the-recent-history-of-gold-1954-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-145103</link>
		<dc:creator>Brendan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 21:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry for the double post.  Please ignore the one at 4:28.</description>
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		<title>By: Brendan</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/02/the-recent-history-of-gold-1954-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-145101</link>
		<dc:creator>Brendan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 21:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Marcus - That assumes gold would chosen to back currency again.  For the US to unilaterally decide to go to gold backing would not be beneficial to the US, so if you assume the whole world does.  Would the powers that be really want that?  What countries would benefit from that, and what countries would lose?  What kind of instant transfer of wealth would that create?  The stashes in Fort Knox aren&#039;t what they used to be and there are a hell of a lot more dollars out there and the US still has a lot of sway in the world.  It&#039;s been quite a while since currency was gold backed and a lot of gold has moved that doesn&#039;t relate to how money and wealth has moved since then.  For the world to decide tomorrow that countries currently holding gold would instantly have more money than countries not holding would be quite controversial.  Not that it couldn&#039;t be done, but it would result in huge losses for certain players.  Even if a backed currency does happen (which I see as about as likely as us going back to the horse and carriage - for all of the flaws with the automobile, it&#039;s still far superior), why instantly assume it&#039;ll be backed by gold?  

@Cool Change - your office is more valuable in one piece than it is in scrap materials, so to rip it apart for scrap doesn&#039;t make sense.  I mean really, does everyone around here think that we&#039;re heading toward Armageddon, or what?  If Armageddon does happen, then you should have bought some good farm land and a gun...forget gold.  If Armageddon doesn&#039;t happen, your $10K in gold could easily be worth only $5K if its value adjusts to match other commodities over the last year, so that really isn&#039;t a good investment (which is my point).  If the only thing to happen is devaluing of currency, then you still should have picked something other than gold, which is high relative to a vast number of other possible investments available for trade on the world market (the materials above are just a few of the possible examples).  Seems like a lose-lose-lose proposition to me.  Why is the choice only between cash or gold?  I&#039;d spend 10K on a non-inflated commodity or to better insulate my home before I&#039;d get 10K worth of gold.   It&#039;ll either keep my heating bills down (assuming that Mad Max doesn&#039;t show up), or it&#039;ll keep the house from getting so cold in the winter if the Thunderdome is built and I can&#039;t afford energy.  Or, if the dollar halves in value, I&#039;ve gotten twice as much labor and materials for my money.   And who&#039;s to say that the government doesn&#039;t decide to take your bar of gold &quot;for the greater good&quot; at any point in time for Marcus&#039; gold-backed currency.  We&#039;re back to the land and gun.  It&#039;s unlikely that my new insulation will be ripped out for any reason.  I can understand being worried about inflation; but gold... seriously?  

The way I see it, buying $X of gold right now is the same as betting half that amount that more  people will become so paranoid that they will continue to buy gold.  You have to assume that people will speculate that it&#039;s worth more than people already speculate it is worth.  If recent history is a guide, that&#039;s a pretty ballsy bet.  There&#039;s no logical reason to buy it otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Marcus &#8211; That assumes gold would chosen to back currency again.  For the US to unilaterally decide to go to gold backing would not be beneficial to the US, so if you assume the whole world does.  Would the powers that be really want that?  What countries would benefit from that, and what countries would lose?  What kind of instant transfer of wealth would that create?  The stashes in Fort Knox aren&#8217;t what they used to be and there are a hell of a lot more dollars out there and the US still has a lot of sway in the world.  It&#8217;s been quite a while since currency was gold backed and a lot of gold has moved that doesn&#8217;t relate to how money and wealth has moved since then.  For the world to decide tomorrow that countries currently holding gold would instantly have more money than countries not holding would be quite controversial.  Not that it couldn&#8217;t be done, but it would result in huge losses for certain players.  Even if a backed currency does happen (which I see as about as likely as us going back to the horse and carriage &#8211; for all of the flaws with the automobile, it&#8217;s still far superior), why instantly assume it&#8217;ll be backed by gold?  </p>
<p>@Cool Change &#8211; your office is more valuable in one piece than it is in scrap materials, so to rip it apart for scrap doesn&#8217;t make sense.  I mean really, does everyone around here think that we&#8217;re heading toward Armageddon, or what?  If Armageddon does happen, then you should have bought some good farm land and a gun&#8230;forget gold.  If Armageddon doesn&#8217;t happen, your $10K in gold could easily be worth only $5K if its value adjusts to match other commodities over the last year, so that really isn&#8217;t a good investment (which is my point).  If the only thing to happen is devaluing of currency, then you still should have picked something other than gold, which is high relative to a vast number of other possible investments available for trade on the world market (the materials above are just a few of the possible examples).  Seems like a lose-lose-lose proposition to me.  Why is the choice only between cash or gold?  I&#8217;d spend 10K on a non-inflated commodity or to better insulate my home before I&#8217;d get 10K worth of gold.   It&#8217;ll either keep my heating bills down (assuming that Mad Max doesn&#8217;t show up), or it&#8217;ll keep the house from getting so cold in the winter if the Thunderdome is built and I can&#8217;t afford energy.  Or, if the dollar halves in value, I&#8217;ve gotten twice as much labor and materials for my money.   And who&#8217;s to say that the government doesn&#8217;t decide to take your bar of gold &#8220;for the greater good&#8221; at any point in time for Marcus&#8217; gold-backed currency.  We&#8217;re back to the land and gun.  It&#8217;s unlikely that my new insulation will be ripped out for any reason.  I can understand being worried about inflation; but gold&#8230; seriously?  </p>
<p>The way I see it, buying $X of gold right now is the same as betting half that amount that more  people will become so paranoid that they will continue to buy gold.  You have to assume that people will speculate that it&#8217;s worth more than people already speculate it is worth.  If recent history is a guide, that&#8217;s a pretty ballsy bet.  There&#8217;s no logical reason to buy it otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: Brendan</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/02/the-recent-history-of-gold-1954-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-145100</link>
		<dc:creator>Brendan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 21:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Marcus - That assumes gold would chosen to back currency again.  For the US to unilaterally decide to go to gold backing would not be beneficial to the US, so if you assume the whole world does, would the powers that be really want that?  What countries would benefit from that, and what countries would lose?  What kind of instant transfer of wealth would that create?  The stashes in Fort Knox aren&#039;t what they used to be and there are a hell of a lot more dollars out there and the US still has a lot of sway in the world still.  It&#039;s been quite a while since currency was gold backed and a lot of gold has moved that doesn&#039;t relate to how money and wealth has moved since then.  For the world to decide tomorrow that countries currently holding gold would instantly have more money than countries not would be quite controversial.  Not that it couldn&#039;t be done, but it would result in huge losses for certain players.  Even if a backed currency does happen (which I see as about as likely as us going back to the horse and carriage - for all of the flaws with the automobile, it&#039;s still far superior), why instantly assume it&#039;ll be backed by gold?  

@Cool Change - your office is more valuable in one piece than it is in scrap materials, so to rip it apart for scrap doesn&#039;t make sense.  I mean really, does everyone around here think that we&#039;re heading toward Armageddon, or what?  If Armageddon does happen, then you should have bought some good farm land and a gun...forget gold.  If Armageddon doesn&#039;t happen, your $10K in gold could easily be worth only $5K if its value adjusts to match other commodities over the last year, so that really isn&#039;t a good investment (which is my point).  If the only thing to happen is devaluing of currency, then you still should have picked something other than gold, which is high relative to a vast number of other possible investments available for trade on the world market (the materials above are just a few of the possible examples).  Seems like a lose-lose-lose proposition to me.  Why is the choice only between cash or gold?  I&#039;d spend 10K on a non-inflated commodity or to better insulate my home before I&#039;d get 10K worth of gold.   It&#039;ll either keep my heating bills down (assuming that Mad Max doesn&#039;t show up), or it&#039;ll keep the house from getting so cold in the winter if the Thunderdome is built and I can&#039;t afford energy.  Or, if the dollar halves in value, I&#039;ve gotten twice as much labor and materials for my money.   And who&#039;s to say that the government doesn&#039;t decide to take your bar of gold &quot;for the greater good&quot; at any point in time for Marcus&#039; gold-backed currency.  It&#039;s unlikely that my new insulation will be ripped out for any reason.  I can understand being worried about inflation; but gold... seriously?  

The way I see it, buying $X of gold right now is the same as betting half that amount that more  people will become so paranoid that they will continue to buy gold.  You have to assume that people will speculate that it&#039;s worth more than people already speculate it is worth.  If recent history is a guide, that&#039;s a pretty ballsy bet.  There&#039;s no logical reason to buy it otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Marcus &#8211; That assumes gold would chosen to back currency again.  For the US to unilaterally decide to go to gold backing would not be beneficial to the US, so if you assume the whole world does, would the powers that be really want that?  What countries would benefit from that, and what countries would lose?  What kind of instant transfer of wealth would that create?  The stashes in Fort Knox aren&#8217;t what they used to be and there are a hell of a lot more dollars out there and the US still has a lot of sway in the world still.  It&#8217;s been quite a while since currency was gold backed and a lot of gold has moved that doesn&#8217;t relate to how money and wealth has moved since then.  For the world to decide tomorrow that countries currently holding gold would instantly have more money than countries not would be quite controversial.  Not that it couldn&#8217;t be done, but it would result in huge losses for certain players.  Even if a backed currency does happen (which I see as about as likely as us going back to the horse and carriage &#8211; for all of the flaws with the automobile, it&#8217;s still far superior), why instantly assume it&#8217;ll be backed by gold?  </p>
<p>@Cool Change &#8211; your office is more valuable in one piece than it is in scrap materials, so to rip it apart for scrap doesn&#8217;t make sense.  I mean really, does everyone around here think that we&#8217;re heading toward Armageddon, or what?  If Armageddon does happen, then you should have bought some good farm land and a gun&#8230;forget gold.  If Armageddon doesn&#8217;t happen, your $10K in gold could easily be worth only $5K if its value adjusts to match other commodities over the last year, so that really isn&#8217;t a good investment (which is my point).  If the only thing to happen is devaluing of currency, then you still should have picked something other than gold, which is high relative to a vast number of other possible investments available for trade on the world market (the materials above are just a few of the possible examples).  Seems like a lose-lose-lose proposition to me.  Why is the choice only between cash or gold?  I&#8217;d spend 10K on a non-inflated commodity or to better insulate my home before I&#8217;d get 10K worth of gold.   It&#8217;ll either keep my heating bills down (assuming that Mad Max doesn&#8217;t show up), or it&#8217;ll keep the house from getting so cold in the winter if the Thunderdome is built and I can&#8217;t afford energy.  Or, if the dollar halves in value, I&#8217;ve gotten twice as much labor and materials for my money.   And who&#8217;s to say that the government doesn&#8217;t decide to take your bar of gold &#8220;for the greater good&#8221; at any point in time for Marcus&#8217; gold-backed currency.  It&#8217;s unlikely that my new insulation will be ripped out for any reason.  I can understand being worried about inflation; but gold&#8230; seriously?  </p>
<p>The way I see it, buying $X of gold right now is the same as betting half that amount that more  people will become so paranoid that they will continue to buy gold.  You have to assume that people will speculate that it&#8217;s worth more than people already speculate it is worth.  If recent history is a guide, that&#8217;s a pretty ballsy bet.  There&#8217;s no logical reason to buy it otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: gms777</title>
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		<dc:creator>gms777</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 20:52:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gold spikes during periods of extreme political fear, such as in 1979 and 1980 when the Iran-Iraq War began. 

That&#039;s what Barry&#039;s charts above show.

If you think, as VP Biden predicted, that some dire international test will befall the U.S. during the first months of the Obama administration, gold might just be a good short-term bet, especially if you think that investors will continue to flee U.S. equities because nobody seems to know how to get out of the pickle we&#039;re in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gold spikes during periods of extreme political fear, such as in 1979 and 1980 when the Iran-Iraq War began. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s what Barry&#8217;s charts above show.</p>
<p>If you think, as VP Biden predicted, that some dire international test will befall the U.S. during the first months of the Obama administration, gold might just be a good short-term bet, especially if you think that investors will continue to flee U.S. equities because nobody seems to know how to get out of the pickle we&#8217;re in.</p>
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		<title>By: CoolChange</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/02/the-recent-history-of-gold-1954-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-145069</link>
		<dc:creator>CoolChange</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 20:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brenden,

I have a platinum wedding ring that looks and feels just like stainless steel. My wife’s ring looks like tin. The shear amount of copper and steel that I could rip out of my office right now testifies to how common it is.  People all over the world, who have never invested in a stock, have a little stash of gold(probably jewelry or coins) that the keep hidden away.

Gold is over priced right now. Maybe a bubble. I’m not buying it because the value will go down when things calm down. But then again, I already have all the gold I need. I’d rather have a $10k bar of gold laying around the house than 10k in cash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brenden,</p>
<p>I have a platinum wedding ring that looks and feels just like stainless steel. My wife’s ring looks like tin. The shear amount of copper and steel that I could rip out of my office right now testifies to how common it is.  People all over the world, who have never invested in a stock, have a little stash of gold(probably jewelry or coins) that the keep hidden away.</p>
<p>Gold is over priced right now. Maybe a bubble. I’m not buying it because the value will go down when things calm down. But then again, I already have all the gold I need. I’d rather have a $10k bar of gold laying around the house than 10k in cash.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus Aurelius</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/02/the-recent-history-of-gold-1954-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-145043</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcus Aurelius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 19:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brendan:

A gold-backed currency is still possible - and preferable to fiat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brendan:</p>
<p>A gold-backed currency is still possible &#8211; and preferable to fiat.</p>
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