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		<title>By: pbr90</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/03/aig-is-the-risk-systemic/comment-page-2/#comment-162807</link>
		<dc:creator>pbr90</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 13:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a dangerous precedent that threatens America!

After all of the debate over not negotiating with terrorists, we allow government to allow economic terrorists to drive us into a fear so profound that the distortion of extortion can be converted into a &quot;bail out&quot; mentality.

By any name, it is extortion, pure and simple - by private company or big government.

America cannot afford to operate by extortion - at peace or at war. It threatens the very Constitution that permits big business to form corporations in order to make money. Now, to hold Americans hostage because they did not make money, or because they were negligent or fraudulent is a complete distortion of capitalism based upon democracy and freedom. It rewards bad behavior, and dismisses the importance of regulatory agencies formed to prevent self indulgent bad behavior from being considered legitimate.

For government, and especially the Executive office to participate in this fraud and hostage taking on the American people through allowing the extortion is disgraceful. It is a generosity that lies well beyond the boundaries of generosity, and lies within the territory of stupidity.

It is said there is no cure for stupidity.
And, apparently our government has no cure for extortion, and hostage taking - whether in health care, banking, or any of its other favored prima donnas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a dangerous precedent that threatens America!</p>
<p>After all of the debate over not negotiating with terrorists, we allow government to allow economic terrorists to drive us into a fear so profound that the distortion of extortion can be converted into a &#8220;bail out&#8221; mentality.</p>
<p>By any name, it is extortion, pure and simple &#8211; by private company or big government.</p>
<p>America cannot afford to operate by extortion &#8211; at peace or at war. It threatens the very Constitution that permits big business to form corporations in order to make money. Now, to hold Americans hostage because they did not make money, or because they were negligent or fraudulent is a complete distortion of capitalism based upon democracy and freedom. It rewards bad behavior, and dismisses the importance of regulatory agencies formed to prevent self indulgent bad behavior from being considered legitimate.</p>
<p>For government, and especially the Executive office to participate in this fraud and hostage taking on the American people through allowing the extortion is disgraceful. It is a generosity that lies well beyond the boundaries of generosity, and lies within the territory of stupidity.</p>
<p>It is said there is no cure for stupidity.<br />
And, apparently our government has no cure for extortion, and hostage taking &#8211; whether in health care, banking, or any of its other favored prima donnas.</p>
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		<title>By: mkkby</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/03/aig-is-the-risk-systemic/comment-page-2/#comment-152572</link>
		<dc:creator>mkkby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s all really simple.  AIG and all the banks didn&#039;t predict their own demise.  And they were stupid enough to buy their own toxic derivatives, until it chocked them.  Why should their opinion matter now?  Especially when it seems so self serving.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s all really simple.  AIG and all the banks didn&#8217;t predict their own demise.  And they were stupid enough to buy their own toxic derivatives, until it chocked them.  Why should their opinion matter now?  Especially when it seems so self serving.</p>
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		<title>By: farmera1</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/03/aig-is-the-risk-systemic/comment-page-1/#comment-152222</link>
		<dc:creator>farmera1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FORTUNE did a good article on the AIG situation.  Worth reading.

http://www.insurancenewsnet.com/article.asp?a=top_news&amp;id=102152</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FORTUNE did a good article on the AIG situation.  Worth reading.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.insurancenewsnet.com/article.asp?a=top_news&#038;id=102152" rel="nofollow">http://www.insurancenewsnet.com/article.asp?a=top_news&#038;id=102152</a></p>
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		<title>By: DeDude</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/03/aig-is-the-risk-systemic/comment-page-1/#comment-152210</link>
		<dc:creator>DeDude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 13:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it really that simple as to just let “them” fail; then all the pieces can be sold or put in the garbage can, and all will return to what is was before, except for that small empty space they left behind, which will be filled in by others in no time?

What if the concequences of pissing on those that are owed money, is that they started looking at giving us loans, as being equivalent to giving loans to some banana-republic.  We would have to start taking our loans in foreign currency (so we could no longer pay them back by letting the $ fall), and we probably have to pay doubble digit interest rates.  What are the effects of having to pay 10% intrest in a country with 40 trillion in debt and a 12 trillion GDP, and no option of just letting inflation carry the debt away?  I mean a full 1/3 of the GDP just to pay interest.  Taxrates would have to at least double on anybody with a 6 figure income.  Would that be better or worse than just handing a few hundred billions to some foreigners, to retain their trust in the US financial system?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it really that simple as to just let “them” fail; then all the pieces can be sold or put in the garbage can, and all will return to what is was before, except for that small empty space they left behind, which will be filled in by others in no time?</p>
<p>What if the concequences of pissing on those that are owed money, is that they started looking at giving us loans, as being equivalent to giving loans to some banana-republic.  We would have to start taking our loans in foreign currency (so we could no longer pay them back by letting the $ fall), and we probably have to pay doubble digit interest rates.  What are the effects of having to pay 10% intrest in a country with 40 trillion in debt and a 12 trillion GDP, and no option of just letting inflation carry the debt away?  I mean a full 1/3 of the GDP just to pay interest.  Taxrates would have to at least double on anybody with a 6 figure income.  Would that be better or worse than just handing a few hundred billions to some foreigners, to retain their trust in the US financial system?</p>
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		<title>By: d4winds</title>
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		<dc:creator>d4winds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 08:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>100%  self-promotion and FUD.  Let &#039;em earn their keep: prepare a detailed plan for execution of Chapter 11.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>100%  self-promotion and FUD.  Let &#8216;em earn their keep: prepare a detailed plan for execution of Chapter 11.</p>
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		<title>By: Blurtman</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/03/aig-is-the-risk-systemic/comment-page-1/#comment-152156</link>
		<dc:creator>Blurtman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 03:48:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stop it now; you&#039;ll only make things worse for yourself. 

How could it be worse? Jehovah, Jehovah, Jehovah!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stop it now; you&#8217;ll only make things worse for yourself. </p>
<p>How could it be worse? Jehovah, Jehovah, Jehovah!</p>
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		<title>By: batmando</title>
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		<dc:creator>batmando</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 03:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well summarized, miamiocean @ 5:46 p.m. and 8:08 p.m.

In terms of one&#039;s own guts full of boiling anger, does anyone else think Clinton (repeal of Glass-Steagall), Gramm (Leach-Gramm-Whosit Act), Alan Greenspan (Easy-Credit Al), (add your own least favorite here) et. al. would feel any culpability at all should a great part of the world in be in flames as a result of their infinite arrogance/cupidity/stupidity/duplicity (choose one or more)? 

Not fucking likely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well summarized, miamiocean @ 5:46 p.m. and 8:08 p.m.</p>
<p>In terms of one&#8217;s own guts full of boiling anger, does anyone else think Clinton (repeal of Glass-Steagall), Gramm (Leach-Gramm-Whosit Act), Alan Greenspan (Easy-Credit Al), (add your own least favorite here) et. al. would feel any culpability at all should a great part of the world in be in flames as a result of their infinite arrogance/cupidity/stupidity/duplicity (choose one or more)? </p>
<p>Not fucking likely.</p>
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		<title>By: miamiocean</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/03/aig-is-the-risk-systemic/comment-page-1/#comment-152118</link>
		<dc:creator>miamiocean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 00:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@MichaelLA

My point was that systemic risk might be applied in more than just a financial sense.   I am positive that greed, abuse and fraud have been a part of financial systems throughout human history and the exposure of such has not always directly resulted in wars to my knowledge.   Some of the comments I have read of late, seem to imply that the U.S. does not need to concern itself with what happens overseas.  

What I am trying to point out is that there are a number of regional hot spots in which imploding economies could drive a climate of unrest and militaristic opportunism.    I am mad enough about the whole debacle that I would choose, if I could, the option of shutting down the failed institutions and just letting the chips fall where they may.   However, I also recognize that it is not realistic for the U.S. as the provider of the world&#039;s reserve currency and the sole military super-power to close our borders, take care of our own financial problems and let the rest of the world muddle through on their own.   I see that as dangerously naive and not a realistic option.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@MichaelLA</p>
<p>My point was that systemic risk might be applied in more than just a financial sense.   I am positive that greed, abuse and fraud have been a part of financial systems throughout human history and the exposure of such has not always directly resulted in wars to my knowledge.   Some of the comments I have read of late, seem to imply that the U.S. does not need to concern itself with what happens overseas.  </p>
<p>What I am trying to point out is that there are a number of regional hot spots in which imploding economies could drive a climate of unrest and militaristic opportunism.    I am mad enough about the whole debacle that I would choose, if I could, the option of shutting down the failed institutions and just letting the chips fall where they may.   However, I also recognize that it is not realistic for the U.S. as the provider of the world&#8217;s reserve currency and the sole military super-power to close our borders, take care of our own financial problems and let the rest of the world muddle through on their own.   I see that as dangerously naive and not a realistic option.</p>
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		<title>By: jpo</title>
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		<dc:creator>jpo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 23:50:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reading the comments here I think the Lehmann shock really starts to fade. The treasury tried to be firm exactly once, you know, back a looong time ago in September &#039;08. This knocked the world economy close to the brink (Did you hear the one about Japans exports falling 46%? The US economy shrinking at an annualized rate of more than 6%? ...). And this was when a bank failed that was considered NOT to be systemic risk.
Yes, it is galling to the extreme that the tax payer is now forced to bail out these institutions, but then, those same tax payers elected the politicians that did nothing to prevent this. How is it that people who reelected Bush in 2004 now feel victimized?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading the comments here I think the Lehmann shock really starts to fade. The treasury tried to be firm exactly once, you know, back a looong time ago in September &#8217;08. This knocked the world economy close to the brink (Did you hear the one about Japans exports falling 46%? The US economy shrinking at an annualized rate of more than 6%? &#8230;). And this was when a bank failed that was considered NOT to be systemic risk.<br />
Yes, it is galling to the extreme that the tax payer is now forced to bail out these institutions, but then, those same tax payers elected the politicians that did nothing to prevent this. How is it that people who reelected Bush in 2004 now feel victimized?</p>
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		<title>By: 10 cc</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/03/aig-is-the-risk-systemic/comment-page-1/#comment-152109</link>
		<dc:creator>10 cc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 23:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, tent cities around the country was the lead story on the national news tonight.  That oughtta get people out to the Malls this weekend; or at least to the sporting goods store.

What&#039;s a decent tent go for these days anyway?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, tent cities around the country was the lead story on the national news tonight.  That oughtta get people out to the Malls this weekend; or at least to the sporting goods store.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s a decent tent go for these days anyway?</p>
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