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		<title>By: rktbrkr</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/03/markets-gain-12/comment-page-2/#comment-153272</link>
		<dc:creator>rktbrkr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 18:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CITI has doubled since Vikram&#039;s internal memo about Jan &amp; Feb profits hit wide distribution in the press. I think it&#039;s safe to say CITI will be very profitable for 2 months and 29 days until the writedowns and bad debts get booked at the end of March, especially if their voluntary foreclosure moritorium ends and they lock in those 40-50% losses on bubble state foreclosure sales.

Suspension of mark-to-market accounting won&#039;t be able to help with bad debt expense and reserves</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CITI has doubled since Vikram&#8217;s internal memo about Jan &amp; Feb profits hit wide distribution in the press. I think it&#8217;s safe to say CITI will be very profitable for 2 months and 29 days until the writedowns and bad debts get booked at the end of March, especially if their voluntary foreclosure moritorium ends and they lock in those 40-50% losses on bubble state foreclosure sales.</p>
<p>Suspension of mark-to-market accounting won&#8217;t be able to help with bad debt expense and reserves</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 07:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This chart from The Economist proves how powerful the media is in shaping perceptions.

http://www.economist.com/daily/chartgallery/displayStory.cfm?story_id=13271781

And how stupid 2/3 of republicans are.  :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This chart from The Economist proves how powerful the media is in shaping perceptions.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.economist.com/daily/chartgallery/displayStory.cfm?story_id=13271781" rel="nofollow">http://www.economist.com/daily/chartgallery/displayStory.cfm?story_id=13271781</a></p>
<p>And how stupid 2/3 of republicans are.  <img src='http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Todd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 04:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is so scary on the debt, is you how you hear the pundits referring that we are in a credit wind down, everyone is de-leveraging. Yet the debt outstanding is still rising on a Y-Y basis on most measures. Consumer credit, household, Total Debt. The rates of growth are dropping like stones, but they haven&#039;t reached zero Y-Y , or shrunk. It should happen sometime this quarter.What I&#039;m trying to say is: either there is a lot of debt that is not being captured, of the unwinding is not happening as fast as people keep inferring.

I did do a quick calc, every 1% drop in GDP results in an increase of 4% on the debt to GDP, that is keeping  debt levels even. Debt is growing thanks to the Govt, and there are at least 2-3 more negative GDP quarters ahead. Steves call for 130% to GDP is going to take awhile to reach. Not happening this year. I did go ahead and pay for an economagic to get numbers. Saves time. I think tracking debt and some other macro stats will become factors in all investing decisions.

The Market is the Market. I have several positions sitting at their 50 SMA, INTC blew through it&#039;s today, but it&#039;s done that 3 times since december and always comes back, so it is discounted. It&#039;s 50/50, I wouldn&#039;t mind being called out on my positions and be left with cash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is so scary on the debt, is you how you hear the pundits referring that we are in a credit wind down, everyone is de-leveraging. Yet the debt outstanding is still rising on a Y-Y basis on most measures. Consumer credit, household, Total Debt. The rates of growth are dropping like stones, but they haven&#8217;t reached zero Y-Y , or shrunk. It should happen sometime this quarter.What I&#8217;m trying to say is: either there is a lot of debt that is not being captured, of the unwinding is not happening as fast as people keep inferring.</p>
<p>I did do a quick calc, every 1% drop in GDP results in an increase of 4% on the debt to GDP, that is keeping  debt levels even. Debt is growing thanks to the Govt, and there are at least 2-3 more negative GDP quarters ahead. Steves call for 130% to GDP is going to take awhile to reach. Not happening this year. I did go ahead and pay for an economagic to get numbers. Saves time. I think tracking debt and some other macro stats will become factors in all investing decisions.</p>
<p>The Market is the Market. I have several positions sitting at their 50 SMA, INTC blew through it&#8217;s today, but it&#8217;s done that 3 times since december and always comes back, so it is discounted. It&#8217;s 50/50, I wouldn&#8217;t mind being called out on my positions and be left with cash.</p>
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		<title>By: ben22</title>
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		<dc:creator>ben22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 03:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mike C

That&#039;s true about grantham but he&#039;s also prepared for the S&amp;P to go as low as 450.  That&#039;s a long way down from here.  Most people aren&#039;t going to have that sort of game plan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mike C</p>
<p>That&#8217;s true about grantham but he&#8217;s also prepared for the S&amp;P to go as low as 450.  That&#8217;s a long way down from here.  Most people aren&#8217;t going to have that sort of game plan.</p>
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		<title>By: ben22</title>
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		<dc:creator>ben22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 03:31:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know several folks who using this rally as an opportunity to take what’s left of their 401k and convert to physical gold. This rally has covered the early withdrawal penalty for them.

@ Cy Hastings

No way.  You pay tax on the distribution @ ordinary income PLUS the penalty, unless these peeps make no $$ they didn&#039;t have anything, not even the 10% penalty, covered in this rally, in the 401k especially, crap mutual funds didn&#039;t just do better or probably even as well as the market, maybe it could be the case if they work at a bank  and bought all the company stock they could a few days ago, but that&#039;s unlikely.  They would be better of seeing if the company allows no-penalty early distribution and should roll it to an IRA if so, and there they could buy gold.  All you have to do is ask for your summary plan description to see if you have that option, a lot more companies allow it than you would think, otherwise, that&#039;s a dumb idea.

Further, what a sell signal on gold this would be if lots of people did it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know several folks who using this rally as an opportunity to take what’s left of their 401k and convert to physical gold. This rally has covered the early withdrawal penalty for them.</p>
<p>@ Cy Hastings</p>
<p>No way.  You pay tax on the distribution @ ordinary income PLUS the penalty, unless these peeps make no $$ they didn&#8217;t have anything, not even the 10% penalty, covered in this rally, in the 401k especially, crap mutual funds didn&#8217;t just do better or probably even as well as the market, maybe it could be the case if they work at a bank  and bought all the company stock they could a few days ago, but that&#8217;s unlikely.  They would be better of seeing if the company allows no-penalty early distribution and should roll it to an IRA if so, and there they could buy gold.  All you have to do is ask for your summary plan description to see if you have that option, a lot more companies allow it than you would think, otherwise, that&#8217;s a dumb idea.</p>
<p>Further, what a sell signal on gold this would be if lots of people did it.</p>
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		<title>By: ben22</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 03:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Steve B

God, that chart is scary.  

I had not heard about that double counting someone mentioned above on mortgages.

To all, 

What are people thinking about the Option ARM and ALT-A resets coming in 2010 and 2011.  I find it curious that C and BAC think they need no new capital considering that is coming up.  My understanding is that the total size of Option ARM loans is 750 billion, so you can do some simple math and see how the market caps of WFC, BAC, C and JPM couldn&#039;t handle more big losses and they of course will need more capital.

How much of this is priced in?  Have many of these pools already been dropped in credit rating?

Last, SRS got absolutely killed the last few days, I&#039;m going to look for a long position there.

Last last, has anyone looked at the options you can buy the XXX ultra&#039;s, that&#039;s where the real action has been the last three days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Steve B</p>
<p>God, that chart is scary.  </p>
<p>I had not heard about that double counting someone mentioned above on mortgages.</p>
<p>To all, </p>
<p>What are people thinking about the Option ARM and ALT-A resets coming in 2010 and 2011.  I find it curious that C and BAC think they need no new capital considering that is coming up.  My understanding is that the total size of Option ARM loans is 750 billion, so you can do some simple math and see how the market caps of WFC, BAC, C and JPM couldn&#8217;t handle more big losses and they of course will need more capital.</p>
<p>How much of this is priced in?  Have many of these pools already been dropped in credit rating?</p>
<p>Last, SRS got absolutely killed the last few days, I&#8217;m going to look for a long position there.</p>
<p>Last last, has anyone looked at the options you can buy the XXX ultra&#8217;s, that&#8217;s where the real action has been the last three days.</p>
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		<title>By: try2bamused</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 02:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy Tabbo:

Point taken. 

Please pardon the hyperbole. All that relentless financial media pumping, and grumpy geezer permabears turning bullish, and CEOs of insolvent pseudo-nationalized banks boasting of profits and a few consecutive upticks have made me flat out giddy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy Tabbo:</p>
<p>Point taken. </p>
<p>Please pardon the hyperbole. All that relentless financial media pumping, and grumpy geezer permabears turning bullish, and CEOs of insolvent pseudo-nationalized banks boasting of profits and a few consecutive upticks have made me flat out giddy!</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Tabbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Tabbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 01:14:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>try2beamused:

&quot;The next major milestone for the bulls is the so-big-you-can-drive-a-trunk-through-it gap at 821.25 set on 02/13.&quot;

In the context of the daily candlesticks, I&#039;m not sure I would say you could drive a truck through it....maybe a bicycle.  I might suggest that the previous days action on 2/12 actually occupied that gap.  Gaps in charts are more notable when no immediate price action occupied it.  For instance, the gap you cited around 734  was definitely a gap that needed to be filled as it set a fresh low on a gap.  I don&#039;t think you can say the same about the gap on 2/13.

Just something to consider....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>try2beamused:</p>
<p>&#8220;The next major milestone for the bulls is the so-big-you-can-drive-a-trunk-through-it gap at 821.25 set on 02/13.&#8221;</p>
<p>In the context of the daily candlesticks, I&#8217;m not sure I would say you could drive a truck through it&#8230;.maybe a bicycle.  I might suggest that the previous days action on 2/12 actually occupied that gap.  Gaps in charts are more notable when no immediate price action occupied it.  For instance, the gap you cited around 734  was definitely a gap that needed to be filled as it set a fresh low on a gap.  I don&#8217;t think you can say the same about the gap on 2/13.</p>
<p>Just something to consider&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: JasRas</title>
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		<dc:creator>JasRas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 00:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read more Cramer than I watch.  Words in print can be measured.  His bullishness in print hasn&#039;t reached the frothy point just yet.

He&#039;s just a clown on the TV.  But that&#039;s what your supposed to do in order to get advertising dollars and ratings.  Sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read more Cramer than I watch.  Words in print can be measured.  His bullishness in print hasn&#8217;t reached the frothy point just yet.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s just a clown on the TV.  But that&#8217;s what your supposed to do in order to get advertising dollars and ratings.  Sad.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 00:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.investmentpostcards.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/reinvesting-when-terrified.pdf

&quot;Finally, be aware
that the market does not turn when it sees light at the
end of the tunnel. It turns when all looks black, but just a
subtle shade less black than the day before.&quot;

Grantham is hardly a permabull, in fact until recently he had been consistently labeled a &quot;permabear&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.investmentpostcards.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/reinvesting-when-terrified.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.investmentpostcards.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/reinvesting-when-terrified.pdf</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Finally, be aware<br />
that the market does not turn when it sees light at the<br />
end of the tunnel. It turns when all looks black, but just a<br />
subtle shade less black than the day before.&#8221;</p>
<p>Grantham is hardly a permabull, in fact until recently he had been consistently labeled a &#8220;permabear&#8221;.</p>
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