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		<title>By: Is Asheville's Real Estate market picking up at all? - Western North Carolina - North Carolina (NC) - The Mountain Region including Asheville - Page 9 - City-Data Forum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Is Asheville's Real Estate market picking up at all? - Western North Carolina - North Carolina (NC) - The Mountain Region including Asheville - Page 9 - City-Data Forum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 01:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] holocaust in inner Detroit; no one is claiming you&#039;ll be able to pick up a home for that price.  Median Home Price in Detroit = $7,500 &#124; The Big Picture  I&#039;m sorry that you&#039;re ignorant of the macro economic underpinnings of the current economic down [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] holocaust in inner Detroit; no one is claiming you&#8217;ll be able to pick up a home for that price.  Median Home Price in Detroit = $7,500 | The Big Picture  I&#8217;m sorry that you&#8217;re ignorant of the macro economic underpinnings of the current economic down [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Greg0658</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg0658</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 16:32:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>don&#039;t buy an old building with suburban TIFs in place .. if you get your own TIF maybe .. but I have seen TIFs around here alter the balance ... right now an old Holiday Inn (that Mrs. DwD Eisenhower stayed in) transferred to Indians (Asia)is being driven further into collapse by new structures aided by TIFs and another TIF in negotiations for a brand new Holiday Inn .... in other words abandon in place .. wait .. ask for taxpayer assistance to make the new building figures work

it was an interesting public hearing .. paper pushers want the deal (VC pay) .. manufacturing wants the deal (product creation) .. building trades want the deal (work) .. the city wants the deal (taxes)  .. the schools don&#039;t mind if made whole ..... all the while the neighboring city is offering a better deal for all of the above reasons

I&#039;m in favor of improvements and new buildings .. just irked at the legal leg work that outflanks others via perks ..
sorry friends and neighbors but someone has to save the little people from yourself .. thats how I see it</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>don&#8217;t buy an old building with suburban TIFs in place .. if you get your own TIF maybe .. but I have seen TIFs around here alter the balance &#8230; right now an old Holiday Inn (that Mrs. DwD Eisenhower stayed in) transferred to Indians (Asia)is being driven further into collapse by new structures aided by TIFs and another TIF in negotiations for a brand new Holiday Inn &#8230;. in other words abandon in place .. wait .. ask for taxpayer assistance to make the new building figures work</p>
<p>it was an interesting public hearing .. paper pushers want the deal (VC pay) .. manufacturing wants the deal (product creation) .. building trades want the deal (work) .. the city wants the deal (taxes)  .. the schools don&#8217;t mind if made whole &#8230;.. all the while the neighboring city is offering a better deal for all of the above reasons</p>
<p>I&#8217;m in favor of improvements and new buildings .. just irked at the legal leg work that outflanks others via perks ..<br />
sorry friends and neighbors but someone has to save the little people from yourself .. thats how I see it</p>
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		<title>By: arcticpup</title>
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		<dc:creator>arcticpup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 14:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Detroit has suburbs... it&#039;s just the inner city that suffering from these low-low-low prices... this is normal.  Look at the suburbs of Birmingham, Tory, West Bloomfield, and Royal Oak... for the truer cost of home ownership in/and around the inner city of Detroit.  People in Metro Detroit own cars and commute to work... because their is no subways... and the bus transit sucks.

Metro Detroit is one of the most diverse, affordable american cities... and it&#039;s getting less expensive everyday... that alone will encourage new families... to come live downtown in the core and... eventually the city/state planners... will build mass transit and the city again will live to see another day.  Redevelopment will occur.  Or it will fail like everyother american city... because when one area fails... they all will... no one is immune in this economic crisis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Detroit has suburbs&#8230; it&#8217;s just the inner city that suffering from these low-low-low prices&#8230; this is normal.  Look at the suburbs of Birmingham, Tory, West Bloomfield, and Royal Oak&#8230; for the truer cost of home ownership in/and around the inner city of Detroit.  People in Metro Detroit own cars and commute to work&#8230; because their is no subways&#8230; and the bus transit sucks.</p>
<p>Metro Detroit is one of the most diverse, affordable american cities&#8230; and it&#8217;s getting less expensive everyday&#8230; that alone will encourage new families&#8230; to come live downtown in the core and&#8230; eventually the city/state planners&#8230; will build mass transit and the city again will live to see another day.  Redevelopment will occur.  Or it will fail like everyother american city&#8230; because when one area fails&#8230; they all will&#8230; no one is immune in this economic crisis.</p>
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		<title>By: bdg123</title>
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		<dc:creator>bdg123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 14:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m very familiar with Detroit.  I had a lot of large clients in Michigan.  I have said a couple of times on my blog were I to buy real estate anywhere in the world, it would be in downtown Detroit.  And, if anyone has been to downtown Detroit, you would be aghast.  It looks more like Berlin in 1945.  There are fifty story buildings with windows knocked out.  Block after block of closed storefronts.

The perspective that Detroit ist kaput is highly publicized.  There is forty years of complete mismanagement by the city that has caused corporations and individuals to leave.  But, people aren&#039;t necessarily leaving the state.  They are headed to the burbs.  Detroit&#039;s suburbs are as nice as any major metropolitan area.  But, they obviously are suffering tremendously as well.

At some point in time, a city, country or society&#039;s costs fall well below trend.  And, that provides for opportunity.  I&#039;m not an attorney but the Michigan governor has stepped into city politics in the past under constitutional authority.  At some point in time, if there is some ability to do so, I wouldn&#039;t doubt if Detroit is taken over by Michigan.  Parts of the city are a war zone but it is ridiculous to say all is lost.  The city is geographically well positioned on the Great Lakes, the state has a top university system focused on substantial research, there are a lot of small technology companies popping up in Michigan and the city is so bad that the towel has been thrown in.  Everyone has given up.  There are terrible problems.  But Michigan is still the same state that rose to become a powerhouse one hundred years ago.

Sounds like a perfect opportunity for business and community regentrification and community redevelopment.  And, for those who say there is no money, well, there sure is.  Human capital creates wealth not the other way around.  And, one need not look any further than Detroit&#039;s past to prove this very point</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m very familiar with Detroit.  I had a lot of large clients in Michigan.  I have said a couple of times on my blog were I to buy real estate anywhere in the world, it would be in downtown Detroit.  And, if anyone has been to downtown Detroit, you would be aghast.  It looks more like Berlin in 1945.  There are fifty story buildings with windows knocked out.  Block after block of closed storefronts.</p>
<p>The perspective that Detroit ist kaput is highly publicized.  There is forty years of complete mismanagement by the city that has caused corporations and individuals to leave.  But, people aren&#8217;t necessarily leaving the state.  They are headed to the burbs.  Detroit&#8217;s suburbs are as nice as any major metropolitan area.  But, they obviously are suffering tremendously as well.</p>
<p>At some point in time, a city, country or society&#8217;s costs fall well below trend.  And, that provides for opportunity.  I&#8217;m not an attorney but the Michigan governor has stepped into city politics in the past under constitutional authority.  At some point in time, if there is some ability to do so, I wouldn&#8217;t doubt if Detroit is taken over by Michigan.  Parts of the city are a war zone but it is ridiculous to say all is lost.  The city is geographically well positioned on the Great Lakes, the state has a top university system focused on substantial research, there are a lot of small technology companies popping up in Michigan and the city is so bad that the towel has been thrown in.  Everyone has given up.  There are terrible problems.  But Michigan is still the same state that rose to become a powerhouse one hundred years ago.</p>
<p>Sounds like a perfect opportunity for business and community regentrification and community redevelopment.  And, for those who say there is no money, well, there sure is.  Human capital creates wealth not the other way around.  And, one need not look any further than Detroit&#8217;s past to prove this very point</p>
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		<title>By: John from Concord</title>
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		<dc:creator>John from Concord</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 11:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Detroit is just mind-boggling now. My dad grew up in MI and I remember as a kid driving with him through the Indian Village section of Detroit in the early &#039;70s... huge mansions built by Gilded Age auto tycoons, gorgeous properties right near downtown valued in the millions.  A lot of those houses are for sale for peanuts right now -- check &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sothebysrealty.com/en/PropertyDetails.aspx?R=104145280&amp;WT.mc_id=Trulia&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this one&lt;/a&gt;, 7 bed, 6 bath, 3 car garage, walking distance to the marinas and Belle Isle and not far from downtown, servant&#039;s quarters, gorgeous period detailing, $850k.  Too spendy? There are some really nice ones around $500k, too.  That&#039;s still starter-house money in suburban Boston, even now.

Some friends and I joked about buying 10-15 of them close together and moving there en masse. But... what do you do after that, in Detroit, in 2009?

I wonder what&#039;ll happen to those places.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Detroit is just mind-boggling now. My dad grew up in MI and I remember as a kid driving with him through the Indian Village section of Detroit in the early &#8217;70s&#8230; huge mansions built by Gilded Age auto tycoons, gorgeous properties right near downtown valued in the millions.  A lot of those houses are for sale for peanuts right now &#8212; check <a href="http://www.sothebysrealty.com/en/PropertyDetails.aspx?R=104145280&amp;WT.mc_id=Trulia" rel="nofollow">this one</a>, 7 bed, 6 bath, 3 car garage, walking distance to the marinas and Belle Isle and not far from downtown, servant&#8217;s quarters, gorgeous period detailing, $850k.  Too spendy? There are some really nice ones around $500k, too.  That&#8217;s still starter-house money in suburban Boston, even now.</p>
<p>Some friends and I joked about buying 10-15 of them close together and moving there en masse. But&#8230; what do you do after that, in Detroit, in 2009?</p>
<p>I wonder what&#8217;ll happen to those places.</p>
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		<title>By: usphoenix</title>
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		<dc:creator>usphoenix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 02:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am going to try a post from another article again.  Perhaps the blog gods will let it float.  

@AGG:  good points.  The only problem is cities controlling Urban Growth Areas and inspections and permits and fees, with contributing friends, want lots to shrink.  I heard a city planner recently say &quot; we can&#039;t afford to service a subdivision with fewer than 7 lots per acre&quot;.  So much for aesthetics and freedom of choice.  There is a stranglehold going on.  Particularly in Oregon.  

Unions.  Really, really easy target.  I recall friends that were responsible for throughput, ....  Can&#039;t remember the term.  Industrial something.  Well I guess that confirms their current irrelevance.  Anyway, they liked unions.  If you had a floor problem you went to the steward and got it fixed.  Robots aren&#039;t unionized.  

Unfortunately, union leaders are now as corrupt as executives.  So that makes them the bad guys?  

It&#039;s not really about unions.  It&#039;s about alligator mouths and canary brains.  Promises that won&#039;t be kept. Perhaps there was this brief phase in American history thanks to Henry Ford, where corporate executives had no off-shoring choices, and chose to share the wealth with common employees.  What a horrible idea.   Pay a decent salary and they can afford your product.  Duh.  

I am reminded of the one Adam  Smith statement in &quot;Wealth of Nations&quot; about the American colonists that stayed with me: &quot;They could afford to be generous&quot;.   I guess not so much anymore.  Hey, their gated communities and McMansions are expensive.  

And finally, I was forced to endure an Industrial relations course that was nothing more than enduring for one quarter a &quot;professor&quot; ranting about the evil, violent nature of unions.  So what was there a about industrial relations?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am going to try a post from another article again.  Perhaps the blog gods will let it float.  </p>
<p>@AGG:  good points.  The only problem is cities controlling Urban Growth Areas and inspections and permits and fees, with contributing friends, want lots to shrink.  I heard a city planner recently say &#8221; we can&#8217;t afford to service a subdivision with fewer than 7 lots per acre&#8221;.  So much for aesthetics and freedom of choice.  There is a stranglehold going on.  Particularly in Oregon.  </p>
<p>Unions.  Really, really easy target.  I recall friends that were responsible for throughput, &#8230;.  Can&#8217;t remember the term.  Industrial something.  Well I guess that confirms their current irrelevance.  Anyway, they liked unions.  If you had a floor problem you went to the steward and got it fixed.  Robots aren&#8217;t unionized.  </p>
<p>Unfortunately, union leaders are now as corrupt as executives.  So that makes them the bad guys?  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not really about unions.  It&#8217;s about alligator mouths and canary brains.  Promises that won&#8217;t be kept. Perhaps there was this brief phase in American history thanks to Henry Ford, where corporate executives had no off-shoring choices, and chose to share the wealth with common employees.  What a horrible idea.   Pay a decent salary and they can afford your product.  Duh.  </p>
<p>I am reminded of the one Adam  Smith statement in &#8220;Wealth of Nations&#8221; about the American colonists that stayed with me: &#8220;They could afford to be generous&#8221;.   I guess not so much anymore.  Hey, their gated communities and McMansions are expensive.  </p>
<p>And finally, I was forced to endure an Industrial relations course that was nothing more than enduring for one quarter a &#8220;professor&#8221; ranting about the evil, violent nature of unions.  So what was there a about industrial relations?</p>
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		<title>By: Pat G.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 23:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After the &#039;67 riots my father moved us to the suburbs, St Clair Shores.  A couple of years later I was doing a tour in Vietnam.  I haven&#039;t lived in Michigan in years.  It&#039;s tough watching the downtown metropolitan area where you went for coney islands  (Onasiss) or hot fudge sundays (Sanders) on the weekends  but... After years of governmental malfeasance and/or political corruption it was bound to happen.  Even the small edge that Detroit garnered in manufacturing was sacrificed by the automakers who allowed foreign competitors to gain a foothold in the industry, then market share through technology and innovation.  Even now as GM goes back to the well for the umpteenth time, you can still buy one of their products for 60 months, interest free.  Because that&#039;s how they&#039;ve spent the last bailout money we gave them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After the &#8217;67 riots my father moved us to the suburbs, St Clair Shores.  A couple of years later I was doing a tour in Vietnam.  I haven&#8217;t lived in Michigan in years.  It&#8217;s tough watching the downtown metropolitan area where you went for coney islands  (Onasiss) or hot fudge sundays (Sanders) on the weekends  but&#8230; After years of governmental malfeasance and/or political corruption it was bound to happen.  Even the small edge that Detroit garnered in manufacturing was sacrificed by the automakers who allowed foreign competitors to gain a foothold in the industry, then market share through technology and innovation.  Even now as GM goes back to the well for the umpteenth time, you can still buy one of their products for 60 months, interest free.  Because that&#8217;s how they&#8217;ve spent the last bailout money we gave them.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce in Tn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce in Tn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 23:16:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evening..

It was hoped that Australia would be spared some of the worst of this...but I see today they were just a bit later to the party than the rest of us...

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601081&amp;sid=aKxJ_7LMC6iM&amp;refer=australia

Australia’s February Manufacturing Index Slumps to Record Low 

I do understand how frustrating it can be for all of us Keynesians and Austrians, still working and recently laid off,well or poorly prepared, most more or less still hopeful...

I also understand how angry people can become whether in chat rooms or protesting against government policies...it seems as Americans we&#039;ve lost the ability to control our situation, and as individuals and as a country, we&#039;re  not used to this.

Anyway, I still think that here the first of March what will continue to make this tsunami unavoidable is the global and still synchronous nature of the wave...I very much hope this is wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evening..</p>
<p>It was hoped that Australia would be spared some of the worst of this&#8230;but I see today they were just a bit later to the party than the rest of us&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601081&#038;sid=aKxJ_7LMC6iM&#038;refer=australia" rel="nofollow">http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601081&#038;sid=aKxJ_7LMC6iM&#038;refer=australia</a></p>
<p>Australia’s February Manufacturing Index Slumps to Record Low </p>
<p>I do understand how frustrating it can be for all of us Keynesians and Austrians, still working and recently laid off,well or poorly prepared, most more or less still hopeful&#8230;</p>
<p>I also understand how angry people can become whether in chat rooms or protesting against government policies&#8230;it seems as Americans we&#8217;ve lost the ability to control our situation, and as individuals and as a country, we&#8217;re  not used to this.</p>
<p>Anyway, I still think that here the first of March what will continue to make this tsunami unavoidable is the global and still synchronous nature of the wave&#8230;I very much hope this is wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 23:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m shocked that Detroit is deteriorating in this way, given the excellent political leadership they&#039;ve had for around the last 20 years, as well having,  what are arguably some of the sharpest executives in charge of the only industry they rely on, and yes I&#039;m talking about Rick &quot;caught by surprise&quot; Wagner, and Bob &quot;flooring is in aisle 6&quot; Nardelli, and of course Bob &quot;I always leave before they catch on&quot; Putz, or rather Lutz.
Oh yeah, Roger Smith too. He was a sharp tack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m shocked that Detroit is deteriorating in this way, given the excellent political leadership they&#8217;ve had for around the last 20 years, as well having,  what are arguably some of the sharpest executives in charge of the only industry they rely on, and yes I&#8217;m talking about Rick &#8220;caught by surprise&#8221; Wagner, and Bob &#8220;flooring is in aisle 6&#8243; Nardelli, and of course Bob &#8220;I always leave before they catch on&#8221; Putz, or rather Lutz.<br />
Oh yeah, Roger Smith too. He was a sharp tack.</p>
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		<title>By: SWMOD52</title>
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		<dc:creator>SWMOD52</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 21:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In defense of Michigan in general western Michigan has some of the most spectacular beaches in the country. I kid you not. Around southwestern MI you will pay $150.00 a night to stay at a Super 8 motel a mile from the beach weekends in the summer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In defense of Michigan in general western Michigan has some of the most spectacular beaches in the country. I kid you not. Around southwestern MI you will pay $150.00 a night to stay at a Super 8 motel a mile from the beach weekends in the summer.</p>
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