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		<title>By: I. Madeoff</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/03/time-for-wall-street-insurance/comment-page-2/#comment-154903</link>
		<dc:creator>I. Madeoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:26:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will this 1% Tax go into the &quot;lock box&quot; Al Gore spoke of  setting up or a a &quot;Trust Fund&quot; similar to the  Social Security Taxes we pay go into?  The government will piss it away faster than it comes in on stink bug research or some other waste.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will this 1% Tax go into the &#8220;lock box&#8221; Al Gore spoke of  setting up or a a &#8220;Trust Fund&#8221; similar to the  Social Security Taxes we pay go into?  The government will piss it away faster than it comes in on stink bug research or some other waste.</p>
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		<title>By: yacc</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/03/time-for-wall-street-insurance/comment-page-2/#comment-154884</link>
		<dc:creator>yacc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 09:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@b_thunder

Well the idea of a transaction tax is not exactly new, and I guess could be made to be semiglobal.

That leaves the problem of taxhavens, but you have them now and they won&#039;t go away easily.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@b_thunder</p>
<p>Well the idea of a transaction tax is not exactly new, and I guess could be made to be semiglobal.</p>
<p>That leaves the problem of taxhavens, but you have them now and they won&#8217;t go away easily.</p>
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		<title>By: JasRas</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/03/time-for-wall-street-insurance/comment-page-2/#comment-154739</link>
		<dc:creator>JasRas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 23:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, ha ha.  We all know this has been one huge cluster f(*k of a mess.  No, all of this shouldn&#039;t be guaranteed.  Yes, there are serious problems with the existing system.  And yes, just like we all experience throughout life (so it shouldn&#039;t be a surprise) the biggest screwups get the most attention and have the most dollars spent on them.  This is the way life works, fellas.  The lifer in prison is going to get more state and Federal dollars over his life than any single, law abiding citizen.  The loser in the family is the one that parents end up spending all their time and resources on.  Such is life as a human.  In the animal world, these would be the stragglers at the back of the pack that the predators would tear into...we all know this, but since we are human, we over ride the darwinism.  Unless you&#039;re in the mob--then you are deposited somewhere in the meadowlands...

So what?  Now, I would argue that some of these &quot;products&quot; and &quot;solutions&quot; would have worked fine if they had been populated with good investments to begin with.  But they weren&#039;t.  They were populated with crap.  First, by accident, then later it appears that it was on purpose in an effort to dissipate the crapiness of the the crap.

Let&#039;s remember some of the examples from Richard Bookstaber&#039;s book:  The more complex the system, them more opportunity for catastrophic failure and the less ability to mitigate it.  The system is only as good as its weakest link.  With mortgages, the weakest link wasn&#039;t on Wall Street, guys.  The weakest link was the mortgage officer and the oversite of their workflow.  They weren&#039;t being compensated for quality of mortgage aps, they were compensated for quantity of mortgage aps.  There were few qualifications to becoming a mortgage officer, whether at a bank or at a mortgage brokerage shop.  There was little oversite.  The system was set to fail at point one.  The best outcome possible was failure in the end.  

Now, you can fault Wall Street for being enablers--providing a venue for banks to get their crap off their books.  But there was a natural point to stop lending and banks themselves chose to get creative and do paired mortgages, ninja loans, negative amortizing, teaser rates, ...  You can rail on Wall Street all you want, but they weren&#039;t the mastermind, only a participant.

Now, what of AIG???  Is that Wall Street?  Umm, I think that is the insurance industry.  The only financial entity to successfully duck having a Federal Regulatory Body dedicated to oversite.  I want their lobbying groups because, damn they&#039;re good.  Somehow, they&#039;ve convinced the Federal government that most of their business is already well regulated because each state has it&#039;s own insurance commission...  yeah, right.  Somehow they were able to create an insurance product, not call it &quot;insurance&quot; so it could be unregulated:  voila!! CDS-credit default swap...  You want to talk about an industry that made schmucks out of all of us?  Insurance boys, insurance...  The mob can&#039;t do it better than them.

Maybe the path we&#039;re taking is going to be a longer, more drawn out, more painful path by propping up JPM, C, BAC, etc... but it seems we are too far down this path to change coarse...  There probably was a better way that might have been more painful short term, but better long term--but that time has past.

You know, it would be nice to hear some contrition from these politicians too!  These buffoons that are haranguing Wall St and everyone else are the same confederacy of dunces that unlocked the liquor cabinet, cranked the stereo, and raided the fridge at this party!  And now that we&#039;re all busted, they&#039;re the backstabbing people you hated in school.

You want to affect change?  Do it at the voting booth.  Actually take some time and vote your proxies based on what YOU think, not some proxy service or tossing it.  You want this system to be better?  Don&#039;t be complicit when everything seems to be good.  What is it that grizzled veterans say?  &quot;Vigilance is the price of freedom&quot;

We are all angry, but it does no good towards solving the problems we have.  You want to help?  Get involved in the political game.  Write congress people.  Help Obama keep on task and not go too far left!   Help at a charity.   Give to your church food pantry.  But don&#039;t be haters leaving flaming messages on blogs.  What good does that do?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, ha ha.  We all know this has been one huge cluster f(*k of a mess.  No, all of this shouldn&#8217;t be guaranteed.  Yes, there are serious problems with the existing system.  And yes, just like we all experience throughout life (so it shouldn&#8217;t be a surprise) the biggest screwups get the most attention and have the most dollars spent on them.  This is the way life works, fellas.  The lifer in prison is going to get more state and Federal dollars over his life than any single, law abiding citizen.  The loser in the family is the one that parents end up spending all their time and resources on.  Such is life as a human.  In the animal world, these would be the stragglers at the back of the pack that the predators would tear into&#8230;we all know this, but since we are human, we over ride the darwinism.  Unless you&#8217;re in the mob&#8211;then you are deposited somewhere in the meadowlands&#8230;</p>
<p>So what?  Now, I would argue that some of these &#8220;products&#8221; and &#8220;solutions&#8221; would have worked fine if they had been populated with good investments to begin with.  But they weren&#8217;t.  They were populated with crap.  First, by accident, then later it appears that it was on purpose in an effort to dissipate the crapiness of the the crap.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s remember some of the examples from Richard Bookstaber&#8217;s book:  The more complex the system, them more opportunity for catastrophic failure and the less ability to mitigate it.  The system is only as good as its weakest link.  With mortgages, the weakest link wasn&#8217;t on Wall Street, guys.  The weakest link was the mortgage officer and the oversite of their workflow.  They weren&#8217;t being compensated for quality of mortgage aps, they were compensated for quantity of mortgage aps.  There were few qualifications to becoming a mortgage officer, whether at a bank or at a mortgage brokerage shop.  There was little oversite.  The system was set to fail at point one.  The best outcome possible was failure in the end.  </p>
<p>Now, you can fault Wall Street for being enablers&#8211;providing a venue for banks to get their crap off their books.  But there was a natural point to stop lending and banks themselves chose to get creative and do paired mortgages, ninja loans, negative amortizing, teaser rates, &#8230;  You can rail on Wall Street all you want, but they weren&#8217;t the mastermind, only a participant.</p>
<p>Now, what of AIG???  Is that Wall Street?  Umm, I think that is the insurance industry.  The only financial entity to successfully duck having a Federal Regulatory Body dedicated to oversite.  I want their lobbying groups because, damn they&#8217;re good.  Somehow, they&#8217;ve convinced the Federal government that most of their business is already well regulated because each state has it&#8217;s own insurance commission&#8230;  yeah, right.  Somehow they were able to create an insurance product, not call it &#8220;insurance&#8221; so it could be unregulated:  voila!! CDS-credit default swap&#8230;  You want to talk about an industry that made schmucks out of all of us?  Insurance boys, insurance&#8230;  The mob can&#8217;t do it better than them.</p>
<p>Maybe the path we&#8217;re taking is going to be a longer, more drawn out, more painful path by propping up JPM, C, BAC, etc&#8230; but it seems we are too far down this path to change coarse&#8230;  There probably was a better way that might have been more painful short term, but better long term&#8211;but that time has past.</p>
<p>You know, it would be nice to hear some contrition from these politicians too!  These buffoons that are haranguing Wall St and everyone else are the same confederacy of dunces that unlocked the liquor cabinet, cranked the stereo, and raided the fridge at this party!  And now that we&#8217;re all busted, they&#8217;re the backstabbing people you hated in school.</p>
<p>You want to affect change?  Do it at the voting booth.  Actually take some time and vote your proxies based on what YOU think, not some proxy service or tossing it.  You want this system to be better?  Don&#8217;t be complicit when everything seems to be good.  What is it that grizzled veterans say?  &#8220;Vigilance is the price of freedom&#8221;</p>
<p>We are all angry, but it does no good towards solving the problems we have.  You want to help?  Get involved in the political game.  Write congress people.  Help Obama keep on task and not go too far left!   Help at a charity.   Give to your church food pantry.  But don&#8217;t be haters leaving flaming messages on blogs.  What good does that do?</p>
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		<title>By: JayBondman</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/03/time-for-wall-street-insurance/comment-page-2/#comment-154734</link>
		<dc:creator>JayBondman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 23:24:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brilliant !!

A one percent transaction tax on every stock and bond transaction.

This will solve our biggest problem, falling real estate prices, almost over night!

I can see it now. 

In no time at all, every last penny (minus 1%) will have been pulled out of the stock and bond markets and INVESTED IN REAL ESTATE !!!!  Housing prices will ZOOM!

There won&#039;t be a single bad loan in the entire world and we will all be saved.

Ahhh....the unintended consequences. Gotta love &#039;em!

JayBondman</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brilliant !!</p>
<p>A one percent transaction tax on every stock and bond transaction.</p>
<p>This will solve our biggest problem, falling real estate prices, almost over night!</p>
<p>I can see it now. </p>
<p>In no time at all, every last penny (minus 1%) will have been pulled out of the stock and bond markets and INVESTED IN REAL ESTATE !!!!  Housing prices will ZOOM!</p>
<p>There won&#8217;t be a single bad loan in the entire world and we will all be saved.</p>
<p>Ahhh&#8230;.the unintended consequences. Gotta love &#8216;em!</p>
<p>JayBondman</p>
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		<title>By: polit2k</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/03/time-for-wall-street-insurance/comment-page-2/#comment-154729</link>
		<dc:creator>polit2k</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 23:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gordo365 is correct.  Transaction taxes (stamp duties) should be introduced widely.  The alternative is huge increases in corporation and personal income taxes, which is a more socialist method for governments to raise revenue.  Of course, both types (indirect and direct) of tax will be used to help balance the budget because there is no alternative.  Arguments that, say, a 1% tax on financial services would reduce the amount of such services are not born out by experience in other countries where indirect taxation is much greater than in the US.  Canceling tax relief on mortgage interest had zero effect on the demand for homes in the UK, for example, and stamp duty of 6% on house purchases in France doesn&#039;t dampen sales.   It&#039;s odd, perhaps, that European governments that have &quot;socialist&quot; reputations use far more capitalist methods for raising revenues than the US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gordo365 is correct.  Transaction taxes (stamp duties) should be introduced widely.  The alternative is huge increases in corporation and personal income taxes, which is a more socialist method for governments to raise revenue.  Of course, both types (indirect and direct) of tax will be used to help balance the budget because there is no alternative.  Arguments that, say, a 1% tax on financial services would reduce the amount of such services are not born out by experience in other countries where indirect taxation is much greater than in the US.  Canceling tax relief on mortgage interest had zero effect on the demand for homes in the UK, for example, and stamp duty of 6% on house purchases in France doesn&#8217;t dampen sales.   It&#8217;s odd, perhaps, that European governments that have &#8220;socialist&#8221; reputations use far more capitalist methods for raising revenues than the US.</p>
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		<title>By: Moss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 22:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BR post is right on, especially on the transfer of wealth. This has been the whole point of the supply side theory. The fact that the stealth aspect of it has been exposed by the meltdown must have poor Art in a total conundrum. AIG is Wall Streets insurer .. the only problem is that the taxpayers are funding the  f*cking premiums that were past due for the last 10 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BR post is right on, especially on the transfer of wealth. This has been the whole point of the supply side theory. The fact that the stealth aspect of it has been exposed by the meltdown must have poor Art in a total conundrum. AIG is Wall Streets insurer .. the only problem is that the taxpayers are funding the  f*cking premiums that were past due for the last 10 years.</p>
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		<title>By: dubeagle</title>
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		<dc:creator>dubeagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 19:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahhh, a Pigovian Tax!

I know BR is being cheeky, but he may be onto something!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahhh, a Pigovian Tax!</p>
<p>I know BR is being cheeky, but he may be onto something!</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce N Tennessee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce N Tennessee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 18:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lefty:

Glad you are doing well...the salt mine is losing a partner in June due to divorce, so we won&#039;t be quite as big...I imagine all of us together don&#039;t make enough to pay for your cab fare...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lefty:</p>
<p>Glad you are doing well&#8230;the salt mine is losing a partner in June due to divorce, so we won&#8217;t be quite as big&#8230;I imagine all of us together don&#8217;t make enough to pay for your cab fare&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: wunsacon</title>
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		<dc:creator>wunsacon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 18:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt; I imagine the playing field in banking looks like a night game with most of the lights out..you probably don’t know where on the field you are…

...but the TARP guys are wearing night-vision goggles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt; I imagine the playing field in banking looks like a night game with most of the lights out..you probably don’t know where on the field you are…</p>
<p>&#8230;but the TARP guys are wearing night-vision goggles.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce N Tennessee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce N Tennessee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 18:29:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And HR...this was a checking account...may have made a difference in his mind that the entire sum could leave in a month...

Again, I am no banker...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And HR&#8230;this was a checking account&#8230;may have made a difference in his mind that the entire sum could leave in a month&#8230;</p>
<p>Again, I am no banker&#8230;</p>
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