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		<title>By: philipat</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/04/cdsfasb/comment-page-1/#comment-159307</link>
		<dc:creator>philipat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 04:27:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought everyone agreed that more and more effective regulation is needed. And then we get this before any positive change has taken place. Mark to solvency begins. It seems patently clear that trusting bankers to apply fair marks is a grave mistake. Mark to market was the one remaining bit of reality in a sea of greed and corruption. God help us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought everyone agreed that more and more effective regulation is needed. And then we get this before any positive change has taken place. Mark to solvency begins. It seems patently clear that trusting bankers to apply fair marks is a grave mistake. Mark to market was the one remaining bit of reality in a sea of greed and corruption. God help us.</p>
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		<title>By: usphoenix</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/04/cdsfasb/comment-page-1/#comment-159260</link>
		<dc:creator>usphoenix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 22:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lots of interesting crap yet to be purged.  All the off-shore mess,  etc etc etc.  Trying to juice real estate again.

If there were some sanity IMHO it would focus on jobs and pay.  Who&#039;s going to feed the kitty?  

As SB has said, we are yet to extinguish the credit bubble.  

Consider the logic.  If I were considering buying into bank assets, would I consider the rule change a confidence builder?  I don&#039;t think so.  Run!  It&#039;s alive.   So the taxpayer is the last payer standing around.  

Well bank stock prices can be rationalized higher.  Or can they?  My head hurts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots of interesting crap yet to be purged.  All the off-shore mess,  etc etc etc.  Trying to juice real estate again.</p>
<p>If there were some sanity IMHO it would focus on jobs and pay.  Who&#8217;s going to feed the kitty?  </p>
<p>As SB has said, we are yet to extinguish the credit bubble.  </p>
<p>Consider the logic.  If I were considering buying into bank assets, would I consider the rule change a confidence builder?  I don&#8217;t think so.  Run!  It&#8217;s alive.   So the taxpayer is the last payer standing around.  </p>
<p>Well bank stock prices can be rationalized higher.  Or can they?  My head hurts.</p>
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		<title>By: The Curmudgeon</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/04/cdsfasb/comment-page-1/#comment-159253</link>
		<dc:creator>The Curmudgeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 22:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wells Fargo is now getting back into wholesale mortgage lending, i.e., with running money through mortgage brokers, one of the many practices leading to the housing crash.  (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&amp;sid=ayexylFUItmw)

This is all so stupid I think my head might explode.  Yes, if you juice things enough you can reflate housing.  But only at the expense of having it all crash down again once the reflation-induced illusion of demand is stripped bare. 

How could it possibly be that we wish to return to the housing market of 2005 that got us in this jam to start with?

Easiest prediction I&#039;ve ever made:  This too will end badly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wells Fargo is now getting back into wholesale mortgage lending, i.e., with running money through mortgage brokers, one of the many practices leading to the housing crash.  (<a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&#038;sid=ayexylFUItmw" rel="nofollow">http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&#038;sid=ayexylFUItmw</a>)</p>
<p>This is all so stupid I think my head might explode.  Yes, if you juice things enough you can reflate housing.  But only at the expense of having it all crash down again once the reflation-induced illusion of demand is stripped bare. </p>
<p>How could it possibly be that we wish to return to the housing market of 2005 that got us in this jam to start with?</p>
<p>Easiest prediction I&#8217;ve ever made:  This too will end badly.</p>
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		<title>By: Clay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 21:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If my memory serves me, I read something recently which stated that this new or temporary rule regarding mark-to-market writedowns of assets will still require such writedowns to be recorded, just not as current losses on the income statement but probably as deferred charges on the asset side of the balance sheet.  At some point these entities will have to recognize these writedowns unless the value of the foreclosed properties behind the mortgage-backed secutities rises enough in the future to recoup such writedowns before the writedowns are required to be recognized by FASB rules in the future.
After all, once real property becomes foreclosed property, then the value of the related mortgage will be dependent upon whatever the mortgagor can sell the property for.

Another issue which will probably arise at some time in the future will be related to offshore entities set up and administered by the banks and others, which are holding some type(s) of mortgage backed securities.  The banks begged the FASB last summer to defer a rule to be implemented late in 2008 requiring entities to recognize offshore entities in their financial statements and thus would be required to take huge write-downs due to the mark-to-market rules.  (I think the FASB chairman said he was a bit shocked at information presented by the banks.)  These additonal disclosures and write-downs would have reduced the banks&#039; equity so much that they would have been required to raise large sums of capital to meet the banking reg minimums.  These are a bunch of black boxes waiting to be opened, and my guess is there are only an elite few who have been made privy to this information, i.e., upper Corp. mgt. and BOD&#039;s, the FASB and possibly the Fed Reserve, FDIC, Treasury, some Bush &amp; Obama admins, etc.

Also, I think the Office of Thift Supervision forecasts loan losses to increase steadily through the end of this year.  Their data also showed that redefault rates on loans was increasing over time.  So even with temporary suspension of mark-to-market write-downs, loan losses should continue to rise.  Have the banks accounted for some of these yet?   I guess we shall see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If my memory serves me, I read something recently which stated that this new or temporary rule regarding mark-to-market writedowns of assets will still require such writedowns to be recorded, just not as current losses on the income statement but probably as deferred charges on the asset side of the balance sheet.  At some point these entities will have to recognize these writedowns unless the value of the foreclosed properties behind the mortgage-backed secutities rises enough in the future to recoup such writedowns before the writedowns are required to be recognized by FASB rules in the future.<br />
After all, once real property becomes foreclosed property, then the value of the related mortgage will be dependent upon whatever the mortgagor can sell the property for.</p>
<p>Another issue which will probably arise at some time in the future will be related to offshore entities set up and administered by the banks and others, which are holding some type(s) of mortgage backed securities.  The banks begged the FASB last summer to defer a rule to be implemented late in 2008 requiring entities to recognize offshore entities in their financial statements and thus would be required to take huge write-downs due to the mark-to-market rules.  (I think the FASB chairman said he was a bit shocked at information presented by the banks.)  These additonal disclosures and write-downs would have reduced the banks&#8217; equity so much that they would have been required to raise large sums of capital to meet the banking reg minimums.  These are a bunch of black boxes waiting to be opened, and my guess is there are only an elite few who have been made privy to this information, i.e., upper Corp. mgt. and BOD&#8217;s, the FASB and possibly the Fed Reserve, FDIC, Treasury, some Bush &amp; Obama admins, etc.</p>
<p>Also, I think the Office of Thift Supervision forecasts loan losses to increase steadily through the end of this year.  Their data also showed that redefault rates on loans was increasing over time.  So even with temporary suspension of mark-to-market write-downs, loan losses should continue to rise.  Have the banks accounted for some of these yet?   I guess we shall see.</p>
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		<title>By: DeDude</title>
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		<dc:creator>DeDude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 21:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robespierre;

The sad thing is that this backdoor had to be created because in this idiocracy of ours it was impossible to communicate to people that this problem will land on the taxpayers one way or another.  Whether you destroy pensions, economic growth, create hyperinflation or any of the other wonderful side-effects of “solutions” that screaming idiots put forth - most of the suffering will land on ordinary people.  The losses WILL be socialized, however our masters would never allow that the assets also become socialized.  As long as the majority in this idiocracy can be scared by buggymen word such as socializing, government and restrictions; just bend over – because it is not a question of whether you are going to get taken, just when and how.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robespierre;</p>
<p>The sad thing is that this backdoor had to be created because in this idiocracy of ours it was impossible to communicate to people that this problem will land on the taxpayers one way or another.  Whether you destroy pensions, economic growth, create hyperinflation or any of the other wonderful side-effects of “solutions” that screaming idiots put forth &#8211; most of the suffering will land on ordinary people.  The losses WILL be socialized, however our masters would never allow that the assets also become socialized.  As long as the majority in this idiocracy can be scared by buggymen word such as socializing, government and restrictions; just bend over – because it is not a question of whether you are going to get taken, just when and how.</p>
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		<title>By: JustinTheSkeptic</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/04/cdsfasb/comment-page-1/#comment-159229</link>
		<dc:creator>JustinTheSkeptic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 20:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bubba, I do!  He no doubt, feels that since we have been in this bear, this long his prognostication might come true.  But what do they say about the flip of a penny?  I believe it is that the chances of the next flip are always the same.  If we are out of the bear, then we are in to a flat-line.  With perhaps a CNBC false rally, every now and then.  They are reporting as if to apeal to mass phycology, not mass reality.  I truly do believe that there is an implicit mandate for all the news channels to &quot;talk the market up.&quot;  That is how bad things are.  AND THEY KNOW IT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bubba, I do!  He no doubt, feels that since we have been in this bear, this long his prognostication might come true.  But what do they say about the flip of a penny?  I believe it is that the chances of the next flip are always the same.  If we are out of the bear, then we are in to a flat-line.  With perhaps a CNBC false rally, every now and then.  They are reporting as if to apeal to mass phycology, not mass reality.  I truly do believe that there is an implicit mandate for all the news channels to &#8220;talk the market up.&#8221;  That is how bad things are.  AND THEY KNOW IT.</p>
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		<title>By: leftback</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/04/cdsfasb/comment-page-1/#comment-159226</link>
		<dc:creator>leftback</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 20:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One Man&#039;s Bottom is Another Man&#039;s Ass....good luck, tomorrow, dudes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One Man&#8217;s Bottom is Another Man&#8217;s Ass&#8230;.good luck, tomorrow, dudes.</p>
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		<title>By: bubba</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/04/cdsfasb/comment-page-1/#comment-159225</link>
		<dc:creator>bubba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 20:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>saw Cramer calling an end to the bear market this morning on CNBS. Does anyone recall (or better yet have a link) him making a bottom call when we came of the Oct or Nov lows in 2008?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>saw Cramer calling an end to the bear market this morning on CNBS. Does anyone recall (or better yet have a link) him making a bottom call when we came of the Oct or Nov lows in 2008?</p>
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		<title>By: Robespierre</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/04/cdsfasb/comment-page-1/#comment-159224</link>
		<dc:creator>Robespierre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 20:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Banks will give back the TARP money because the FED/Treasury/FDIC has given them a back door to re-capitalize with tax payer&#039;s money without ANY congress oversight. The FDIC now says that they can go be part of the companies that bid for toxic assets.  So what is a partially own bidder to do but to overpay and then dump into the tax payers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Banks will give back the TARP money because the FED/Treasury/FDIC has given them a back door to re-capitalize with tax payer&#8217;s money without ANY congress oversight. The FDIC now says that they can go be part of the companies that bid for toxic assets.  So what is a partially own bidder to do but to overpay and then dump into the tax payers?</p>
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		<title>By: dead hobo</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/04/cdsfasb/comment-page-1/#comment-159221</link>
		<dc:creator>dead hobo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 20:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I learned a lot of neat sayings over the years. One that just came to mind is ....

&quot;Every Solution Introduces New Problems&quot;

This is as true as true can be. It applies to everything.  Every time someone tries to fix something, they create the opportunity for new problems to enter the picture. They may be delayed a bit so the cause and effect aren&#039;t obvious. But they&#039;re going to appear. A physicist might call it entropy. A cynic might call it the &quot;Law Of Unintended Consequences&quot;.

It doesn&#039;t matter who does what or when it happens. It will create a problem for someone. This will require someone to figure out a new solution which will add new problems into the system. The old problems may disappear, however,  as a consequence of the new solution and the new problems.   

Now, apply this to TARP, TALF, or anything in the mix at this time. Life will be interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I learned a lot of neat sayings over the years. One that just came to mind is &#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8220;Every Solution Introduces New Problems&#8221;</p>
<p>This is as true as true can be. It applies to everything.  Every time someone tries to fix something, they create the opportunity for new problems to enter the picture. They may be delayed a bit so the cause and effect aren&#8217;t obvious. But they&#8217;re going to appear. A physicist might call it entropy. A cynic might call it the &#8220;Law Of Unintended Consequences&#8221;.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t matter who does what or when it happens. It will create a problem for someone. This will require someone to figure out a new solution which will add new problems into the system. The old problems may disappear, however,  as a consequence of the new solution and the new problems.   </p>
<p>Now, apply this to TARP, TALF, or anything in the mix at this time. Life will be interesting.</p>
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