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		<title>By: Friday links: not-so boring banks &#124; HeatUp.com - Internet News</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/05/stress-test-25-to-1-leverage/comment-page-1/#comment-171944</link>
		<dc:creator>Friday links: not-so boring banks &#124; HeatUp.com - Internet News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 15:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The stress tests could have been more stressful, in part because banks pleaded for lenience.  (WSJ.com, WashingtonPost.com, naked capitalism, Big Picture) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The stress tests could have been more stressful, in part because banks pleaded for lenience.  (WSJ.com, WashingtonPost.com, naked capitalism, Big Picture) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Banken Stress-Tests: Übungen im Schönrechnen?&#160;&#8226;&#160;Börsennotizbuch</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/05/stress-test-25-to-1-leverage/comment-page-1/#comment-170342</link>
		<dc:creator>Banken Stress-Tests: Übungen im Schönrechnen?&#160;&#8226;&#160;Börsennotizbuch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 10:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Barry Ritholtz (Big Picture): Stress Test: 25-to-1 Leverage as a Healthy Bank Target? [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Stress Test B.S. &#171; The Freedom Thinker</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/05/stress-test-25-to-1-leverage/comment-page-1/#comment-170336</link>
		<dc:creator>Stress Test B.S. &#171; The Freedom Thinker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 07:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] via Stress Test: 25-to-1 Leverage as a Healthy Bank Target? &#124; The Big Picture. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: How Banks Cut Stress Test Cap Requirements in Half &#124; The Big Picture</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/05/stress-test-25-to-1-leverage/comment-page-1/#comment-169933</link>
		<dc:creator>How Banks Cut Stress Test Cap Requirements in Half &#124; The Big Picture</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 12:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Stress Test: 25-to-1 Leverage as a Healthy Bank Target? (May 8th, 2009) http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/05/stress-test-25-to-1-leverage/ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Stress Test: 25-to-1 Leverage as a Healthy Bank Target? (May 8th, 2009) <a href="http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/05/stress-test-25-to-1-leverage/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/05/stress-test-25-to-1-leverage/</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Pat G.</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/05/stress-test-25-to-1-leverage/comment-page-1/#comment-169881</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 00:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Come on BR.. cut them some slack.  Afterall, 25 x 1 is better then 40 to 50 x 1 like it was.  See.. all our money did help make a difference.  LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come on BR.. cut them some slack.  Afterall, 25 x 1 is better then 40 to 50 x 1 like it was.  See.. all our money did help make a difference.  LOL</p>
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		<title>By: Signs that the Reserve banks are getting it right at catallaxyfiles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Signs that the Reserve banks are getting it right at catallaxyfiles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 22:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is not my expertise, but I&#8217;ve got to agree with Barry Ritholtz, that working on a 25:1 leverage ratio suggests these are not stress tests are all. Moreover, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is not my expertise, but I&#8217;ve got to agree with Barry Ritholtz, that working on a 25:1 leverage ratio suggests these are not stress tests are all. Moreover, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: jritzema</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/05/stress-test-25-to-1-leverage/comment-page-1/#comment-169771</link>
		<dc:creator>jritzema</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 18:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>25 to 1 is a little off as the target for Tier 1 is 6%, so that would be 16.7 to 1.  Then if you consider that a significant chunk of liabilities are FDIC insured deposits, even the 16.7 to 1 is high.

I would agree with you that leverage is too high for banks that have a lot more volatility in assets (Citi, BofA, etc.) but the regionals that didn&#039;t go crazy with subprime/construction loans should be allowed more leverage than the investment banks masquerading as depository institutions.  The amount of leverage should have an inverse relationship with the risk on the asset side.  Companies that load up on crappy assets should have low leverage.

It is suprising to me that anyone would assess companies that largely do unsecured lending (AmEx &amp; Capital One) as needing no more capital.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>25 to 1 is a little off as the target for Tier 1 is 6%, so that would be 16.7 to 1.  Then if you consider that a significant chunk of liabilities are FDIC insured deposits, even the 16.7 to 1 is high.</p>
<p>I would agree with you that leverage is too high for banks that have a lot more volatility in assets (Citi, BofA, etc.) but the regionals that didn&#8217;t go crazy with subprime/construction loans should be allowed more leverage than the investment banks masquerading as depository institutions.  The amount of leverage should have an inverse relationship with the risk on the asset side.  Companies that load up on crappy assets should have low leverage.</p>
<p>It is suprising to me that anyone would assess companies that largely do unsecured lending (AmEx &amp; Capital One) as needing no more capital.</p>
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		<title>By: hawleyl</title>
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		<dc:creator>hawleyl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 17:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please forgive my naiveness, but the only thing I vaguely remember from my college economics class 50 years ago was the cute girl I sat next to.  So how does this 25-1 leverage work?  

1.  If a bank has $4 do they just write someone a check for $100 to buy some asset (stock, bond, SIV, etc.); or do they actually borrow $96 from a greater fool?  If they do just write a check for $100, this would seem to be stretching the meaning of credit (previously shown to be derived from the Latin for &quot;trust me&quot;).

2.  If the value of their asset initially worth $100 declines to $96 is the bank wiped out?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please forgive my naiveness, but the only thing I vaguely remember from my college economics class 50 years ago was the cute girl I sat next to.  So how does this 25-1 leverage work?  </p>
<p>1.  If a bank has $4 do they just write someone a check for $100 to buy some asset (stock, bond, SIV, etc.); or do they actually borrow $96 from a greater fool?  If they do just write a check for $100, this would seem to be stretching the meaning of credit (previously shown to be derived from the Latin for &#8220;trust me&#8221;).</p>
<p>2.  If the value of their asset initially worth $100 declines to $96 is the bank wiped out?</p>
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		<title>By: Market Talk &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Not Everything&#8217;s Peachy In Stress-Test Land</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/05/stress-test-25-to-1-leverage/comment-page-1/#comment-169720</link>
		<dc:creator>Market Talk &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Not Everything&#8217;s Peachy In Stress-Test Land</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 17:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] - basically considering 25-to-1 leverage as safe - seems too generous, FusionIQ CEO Barry Ritholtz says. He recalls that in 2004, rules limited leverage to 12-to-1 for investment [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8211; basically considering 25-to-1 leverage as safe &#8211; seems too generous, FusionIQ CEO Barry Ritholtz says. He recalls that in 2004, rules limited leverage to 12-to-1 for investment [...]</p>
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		<title>By: danm</title>
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		<dc:creator>danm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 16:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So where was a good place to park your money in Japan during the lost decade?
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Post office.

Growth is overrated.

When you work hard and get a bonus you can decide to divy up the money between the exisitng members of your clan or decide to add a little one.  In the first case everyione is a little richer, in the second case, everyone is a little poorer.

That&#039;s exactly what we&#039;ve been doing in the western world.  Everyone is obsessed with GDP growth and population growth, never questionaing it it madkes sense.

You can have a flat GDP amid a declining population, yet everybody gets richer.

Every time I&#039;ve been out West, I&#039;ve witnessed the Japanses&#039;s incredible buying power on the ski hills.  Let me tell you, it does not look as if they&#039;ve suffered much in the last decade.  Maybe the next one will be different but that&#039;s another issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So where was a good place to park your money in Japan during the lost decade?<br />
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Post office.</p>
<p>Growth is overrated.</p>
<p>When you work hard and get a bonus you can decide to divy up the money between the exisitng members of your clan or decide to add a little one.  In the first case everyione is a little richer, in the second case, everyone is a little poorer.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s exactly what we&#8217;ve been doing in the western world.  Everyone is obsessed with GDP growth and population growth, never questionaing it it madkes sense.</p>
<p>You can have a flat GDP amid a declining population, yet everybody gets richer.</p>
<p>Every time I&#8217;ve been out West, I&#8217;ve witnessed the Japanses&#8217;s incredible buying power on the ski hills.  Let me tell you, it does not look as if they&#8217;ve suffered much in the last decade.  Maybe the next one will be different but that&#8217;s another issue.</p>
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