Food for thought: every American consulate in Europe has a long list of people waiting to relocate to the US; not many of the American “natural population” dreams of emigrating to Europe, damn idiots.

The International Organization for Migration says:

“there are more than 200 million migrants around the world today. Europe hosted the largest number of immigrants, with 70.6 million people in 2005, the latest year for which figures are available. North America, with over 45.1 million immigrants, is second, followed by Asia, which hosts nearly 25.3 million.”

I didn’t think you had any facts to back up your opinion.

@wunsacon, I get your point; in fact, I thought about trying to join the CIA after 9/11, but not really seriously I guess. I do think that a lot of folks want govt. jobs for the a) security, b) pension/benefits, and c) perceived “cushiness” of those jobs. But I don’t want to paint with too broad a brush.

I look at the implications, for example, of where I’d be today if I had gone to work in a govt. job (almost doesn’t matter which — fed, state, local), and what my pension would be, vs. what I’m looking at from my 201k. Of course, it does appear that the govt. pensions are doomed, but that is another story……….

Is it “really” so sad? A couple of times in the past, I applied to work for the USG. One of the selling points for me is: the “profits” of whatever good I do on the job inure to the average shmo. That’s in contrast to the (many) private companies I’ve worked for, where for the most part I worked for some jerks and their rich benefactors.

“I do not beleive heath care is a make or brake case for the US”

Froglip Says:

“You greedy fucks who don’t want to create a national heath care in America wont have the choice to share. This crisis has the potential of unraveling known quantities, if the little guys ( the producer) interests are not put forward. Say good bye to America altogether.”

so which is it- it won’t break the US or it will? Those in this country w/ private health care are not “greedy fucks”, they are looking out for themselves and their families-

when I was going to college, I paid into a Blue Cross/Blue Shield fund offered by the college so I would have health coverage- wasn’t much really but I was paying rent and tuition as well- but if I chose not to get health insurance- I would have been “one of the uninsured” often spoken of- of course- self imposed.

BR hits it out of the park!