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		<title>By: gnomic</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/05/why-isnt-gm-000/comment-page-4/#comment-179267</link>
		<dc:creator>gnomic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 16:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can look at this a number of ways:
1. The market isn&#039;t rational - this is the difference between reality and irrationality
2. Some people aren&#039;t paying attention
3. Some people are betting that govt will provide a return
4. Some people may not know they have share (inheritances)
5.  For some who own a few shares, its too much effort to cash them out</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can look at this a number of ways:<br />
1. The market isn&#8217;t rational &#8211; this is the difference between reality and irrationality<br />
2. Some people aren&#8217;t paying attention<br />
3. Some people are betting that govt will provide a return<br />
4. Some people may not know they have share (inheritances)<br />
5.  For some who own a few shares, its too much effort to cash them out</p>
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		<title>By: Mark E Hoffer</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/05/why-isnt-gm-000/comment-page-4/#comment-177174</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark E Hoffer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 00:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mark, 

I hear ya, thanks for the explain..

I try to keep it simple when looking at those things--volume &amp; OI help, also, the pricing disparities between strike prices..and, as always, i-rates.. 4 starters..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mark, </p>
<p>I hear ya, thanks for the explain..</p>
<p>I try to keep it simple when looking at those things&#8211;volume &amp; OI help, also, the pricing disparities between strike prices..and, as always, i-rates.. 4 starters..</p>
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		<title>By: mark mchugh</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/05/why-isnt-gm-000/comment-page-4/#comment-177141</link>
		<dc:creator>mark mchugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 23:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MEH,

There&#039;s a couple reasons I say that:

1)  The spreadsheet makes the assumption that the trading public only buys options and  the &quot;house&quot; only sells them (obviously that&#039;s not real life), so it ignores a potentially very large skewing factor.

2) In many cases, out of the money options were purchased months before at prices very different than the current price (example: someone who bought 45 calls when a stock was at 50 three months ago, now at 30).  I think it&#039;s darn near impossible to factor those kind of profit/loss scenarios when you&#039;re trying to figure out which direction a stock should move when it gets close to expiration.

I had hoped to determine price movement close to expiration and I would have considered 65% accuracy or better a success.  In fact, 65% accuracy on sizable moves in the last few days of option trading would probably put me on my own private island.

Unfortunately, I have found it to be about as accurate as a coin flip in determining both size and direction of  moves (probably for the reasons above).  That kind of accuracy puts you in a cardboard box on a steam grate.

So, it was back to the old drawing board....
&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MEH,</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a couple reasons I say that:</p>
<p>1)  The spreadsheet makes the assumption that the trading public only buys options and  the &#8220;house&#8221; only sells them (obviously that&#8217;s not real life), so it ignores a potentially very large skewing factor.</p>
<p>2) In many cases, out of the money options were purchased months before at prices very different than the current price (example: someone who bought 45 calls when a stock was at 50 three months ago, now at 30).  I think it&#8217;s darn near impossible to factor those kind of profit/loss scenarios when you&#8217;re trying to figure out which direction a stock should move when it gets close to expiration.</p>
<p>I had hoped to determine price movement close to expiration and I would have considered 65% accuracy or better a success.  In fact, 65% accuracy on sizable moves in the last few days of option trading would probably put me on my own private island.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, I have found it to be about as accurate as a coin flip in determining both size and direction of  moves (probably for the reasons above).  That kind of accuracy puts you in a cardboard box on a steam grate.</p>
<p>So, it was back to the old drawing board&#8230;.<br />
&#8216;</p>
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		<title>By: Mark E Hoffer</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/05/why-isnt-gm-000/comment-page-4/#comment-177000</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark E Hoffer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 17:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mark, 

why do you believe that such a tool has little value?

re: &quot;It has not proved to be useful..&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mark, </p>
<p>why do you believe that such a tool has little value?</p>
<p>re: &#8220;It has not proved to be useful..&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Greg0658</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/05/why-isnt-gm-000/comment-page-4/#comment-176936</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg0658</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 14:38:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*** I&#039;m wondering IF .. stockholders were bound legally*  to corporation problems ...
the To Big To Fail / To Big To Fight situation that exists in the Wall Street created world ...
and the responsibility of the SEC like bodies to investigate / prosecute / incarcerate
would .. not happen in the 1st place / self curtail / pay for itself if it does

sidenote:
* financially (personally) beyond the loss of cash in stock only</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*** I&#8217;m wondering IF .. stockholders were bound legally*  to corporation problems &#8230;<br />
the To Big To Fail / To Big To Fight situation that exists in the Wall Street created world &#8230;<br />
and the responsibility of the SEC like bodies to investigate / prosecute / incarcerate<br />
would .. not happen in the 1st place / self curtail / pay for itself if it does</p>
<p>sidenote:<br />
* financially (personally) beyond the loss of cash in stock only</p>
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		<title>By: Greg0658</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/05/why-isnt-gm-000/comment-page-4/#comment-176924</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg0658</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 14:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*** Private Profits / Public Losses

BR - what page is this eras pet phrase in BN1.0?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*** Private Profits / Public Losses</p>
<p>BR &#8211; what page is this eras pet phrase in BN1.0?</p>
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		<title>By: mark mchugh</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/05/why-isnt-gm-000/comment-page-4/#comment-176907</link>
		<dc:creator>mark mchugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 13:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wes,

I uploaded the spreadsheet  here:

http://acrossthestreetnet.wordpress.com/files/2009/05/options-analysis-gm-rename-to-xls.doc

note: it must be downloaded and the extension changed to XLS.

Thanks for the  optionpain link (didn&#039;t realize I was trying to re-invent the wheel).

&quot;Breaking News&quot; - this is the part where I say,  &quot;I told you so&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wes,</p>
<p>I uploaded the spreadsheet  here:</p>
<p><a href="http://acrossthestreetnet.wordpress.com/files/2009/05/options-analysis-gm-rename-to-xls.doc" rel="nofollow">http://acrossthestreetnet.wordpress.com/files/2009/05/options-analysis-gm-rename-to-xls.doc</a></p>
<p>note: it must be downloaded and the extension changed to XLS.</p>
<p>Thanks for the  optionpain link (didn&#8217;t realize I was trying to re-invent the wheel).</p>
<p>&#8220;Breaking News&#8221; &#8211; this is the part where I say,  &#8220;I told you so&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Greg0658</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/05/why-isnt-gm-000/comment-page-4/#comment-176904</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg0658</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 13:43:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>just now on the announcement of the sweetened offer
Mark Haines of CNBC &quot;GM stock is worth buppkiss&quot;

maybe the stock .. but the hard assets have value* .. hell the dirt under the factories have value**
 how do you get your hands in the tillbox?


sidenotes:
* provided the bankruptcy*** rules in America relieve holders of dues
** maybe not with Americas factory history of dumping
*** maybe thats the root problem</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just now on the announcement of the sweetened offer<br />
Mark Haines of CNBC &#8220;GM stock is worth buppkiss&#8221;</p>
<p>maybe the stock .. but the hard assets have value* .. hell the dirt under the factories have value**<br />
 how do you get your hands in the tillbox?</p>
<p>sidenotes:<br />
* provided the bankruptcy*** rules in America relieve holders of dues<br />
** maybe not with Americas factory history of dumping<br />
*** maybe thats the root problem</p>
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		<title>By: Cursive</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cursive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 01:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@AmenRa 8:01

Exactly.  The ole circle jerk from Wells Fargo, circa March 2009.  Thanks for the laugh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@AmenRa 8:01</p>
<p>Exactly.  The ole circle jerk from Wells Fargo, circa March 2009.  Thanks for the laugh.</p>
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		<title>By: AmenRa</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/05/why-isnt-gm-000/comment-page-4/#comment-176672</link>
		<dc:creator>AmenRa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 01:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@mark mchugh

They have a similar result at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.optionpain.com/MaxPain/Max-Pain.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.optionpain.com/MaxPain/Max-Pain.php&lt;/a&gt;
It&#039;s the $3.00 strike for option max pain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@mark mchugh</p>
<p>They have a similar result at <a href="http://www.optionpain.com/MaxPain/Max-Pain.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.optionpain.com/MaxPain/Max-Pain.php</a><br />
It&#8217;s the $3.00 strike for option max pain.</p>
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