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		<title>By: Words from the (investment) Wise June 21, 2009 &#124; The Big Picture</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/06/are-stocks-cheap-2/comment-page-1/#comment-185323</link>
		<dc:creator>Words from the (investment) Wise June 21, 2009 &#124; The Big Picture</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 12:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Barry Ritholtz, The Big Picture, June 14, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Standortbestimmung: Aktien, Wirtschaft und Immobilien&#160;&#8226;&#160;Börsennotizbuch</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/06/are-stocks-cheap-2/comment-page-1/#comment-183150</link>
		<dc:creator>Standortbestimmung: Aktien, Wirtschaft und Immobilien&#160;&#8226;&#160;Börsennotizbuch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 09:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] die Aktien nun billig? &#8212; Nicht ganz, meint Barry Ritholtz von The Big Picture und bezieht sich auf einen Artikel der NY Times. Allerdings d&#252;rften sich die Aktien irgendwo [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] die Aktien nun billig? &#8212; Nicht ganz, meint Barry Ritholtz von The Big Picture und bezieht sich auf einen Artikel der NY Times. Allerdings d&#252;rften sich die Aktien irgendwo [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Onlooker from Troy</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/06/are-stocks-cheap-2/comment-page-1/#comment-183137</link>
		<dc:creator>Onlooker from Troy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 03:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Ken Fisher.  I won&#039;t pretend to be expert on all his work, and I know that he&#039;s a long time Wall Streeter that earned a pretty good rep for performance during the bull market of the &#039;80s-&#039;90s.  But for me he completely discredited himself with his rationalizations in the latter days of the market highs re: valuations, etc., and with regard to the myth that savings rates didn&#039;t matter because of asset appreciation. 

I&#039;m inclined to believe he&#039;s just another guy who looked like a genius during the great bull run, but has been exposed since then as being less than such.  So I&#039;d take what he says with a big dose of skepticism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Ken Fisher.  I won&#8217;t pretend to be expert on all his work, and I know that he&#8217;s a long time Wall Streeter that earned a pretty good rep for performance during the bull market of the &#8217;80s-&#8217;90s.  But for me he completely discredited himself with his rationalizations in the latter days of the market highs re: valuations, etc., and with regard to the myth that savings rates didn&#8217;t matter because of asset appreciation. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m inclined to believe he&#8217;s just another guy who looked like a genius during the great bull run, but has been exposed since then as being less than such.  So I&#8217;d take what he says with a big dose of skepticism.</p>
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		<title>By: Onlooker from Troy</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/06/are-stocks-cheap-2/comment-page-1/#comment-183136</link>
		<dc:creator>Onlooker from Troy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 03:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another good quote from the article:

&quot;Investors shouldn&#039;t kid themselves that stocks are cheap – in the sense of being priced to deliver outstanding long-term  returns – just because we&#039;ve observed a wicked decline. We&#039;re not even close. 

At the March lows, the S&amp;P 500 was priced to deliver long-term returns in the 10-12% range. Certainly not bad, but only modestly above the norm on a historical basis, in an economy that faced (and still threatens to suffer) difficulties well outside the norm. While that might have been the final low, and we can&#039;t rule out further market gains, I still believe that it is a mistake to rule out eventual “revulsion.” I don&#039;t think that we need to match valuations that existed at the 1974 or 1982 lows, but at a multiple of 16 times our current estimate for normalized earnings, suffice it to say that the market is not cheap.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another good quote from the article:</p>
<p>&#8220;Investors shouldn&#8217;t kid themselves that stocks are cheap – in the sense of being priced to deliver outstanding long-term  returns – just because we&#8217;ve observed a wicked decline. We&#8217;re not even close. </p>
<p>At the March lows, the S&amp;P 500 was priced to deliver long-term returns in the 10-12% range. Certainly not bad, but only modestly above the norm on a historical basis, in an economy that faced (and still threatens to suffer) difficulties well outside the norm. While that might have been the final low, and we can&#8217;t rule out further market gains, I still believe that it is a mistake to rule out eventual “revulsion.” I don&#8217;t think that we need to match valuations that existed at the 1974 or 1982 lows, but at a multiple of 16 times our current estimate for normalized earnings, suffice it to say that the market is not cheap.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Onlooker from Troy</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/06/are-stocks-cheap-2/comment-page-1/#comment-183135</link>
		<dc:creator>Onlooker from Troy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 03:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To quote Dr. Hussman&#039;s weekly comment tonight:

&quot;Valuation Update: We estimate that the S&amp;P 500 is currently priced to deliver total returns over the next decade in the range of 6.5-9.0%, centered at an expected total return of about 7.8% annually. Stocks are modestly overvalued here, except on metrics that assume a permanent recovery to 2007&#039;s record profit margins (which were about 50% above the historical norm). &quot;

More here: 
http://www.hussmanfunds.com/wmc/wmc090615.htm

A very good read tonight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To quote Dr. Hussman&#8217;s weekly comment tonight:</p>
<p>&#8220;Valuation Update: We estimate that the S&amp;P 500 is currently priced to deliver total returns over the next decade in the range of 6.5-9.0%, centered at an expected total return of about 7.8% annually. Stocks are modestly overvalued here, except on metrics that assume a permanent recovery to 2007&#8242;s record profit margins (which were about 50% above the historical norm). &#8221;</p>
<p>More here:<br />
<a href="http://www.hussmanfunds.com/wmc/wmc090615.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.hussmanfunds.com/wmc/wmc090615.htm</a></p>
<p>A very good read tonight.</p>
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		<title>By: alfred e</title>
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		<dc:creator>alfred e</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 00:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@cvienne: Cougar alert.</description>
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		<title>By: cvienne</title>
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		<dc:creator>cvienne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 00:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@alfred

LOL :-)

Thanks for being a sport there my friend...

AVOIDANCE isn&#039;t an altogether BAD way to approach things these days...

Hell, I&#039;ll admit firsthand...The fact that I spent the last 30 hours sawing two tons of the &quot;antichrist&quot; version of a honey locust into SNICKERS BARS doesn&#039;t mean that I&#039;m a &quot;God fearing industrialist&quot;...Instead, it means...I&#039;D TAKE ANY DISTRACTION...ANY WHATSOEVER...TO KEEP MY EFFING MIND OFF OF DAILY NEWS FLOWS...

Although I think the Shenendoah &quot;tubers&quot; did a better job than me...Bless their souls...

Unabomber?...Don&#039;t know much about the guy (not that you do either)...I&#039;m vaguely recollecting here... but it seems to me that I was living in Italy (1993 - 2005), during the time that his antics essentially hit the MSM and were eventually brought to a conclusion...

So to put it all into perspective...(per comments I read last week, combined with my &#039;chores&#039; of recent days)...I&#039;m more likely to ED GEIN ( the inspiration behind the Texas Chainsaw Massacre), rather than Kasinsky (at least in my opinion)...

...but BTW...I &quot;torched&#039; the teeth on my chainsaw this weekend bringing down that honey locust...Next week I not only need them to get replaced, but I&#039;d probably better order a spare chain...

So all of you TBP bloggers are SAFE &amp; SOUND for the time being...&amp; if you think my CAPS LOCKS pre-condition a visit to you whilst you slumber...ur safe for the time being...

...and karen, just after I&#039;d struggled 30 hours with the honey locust lumber...I was dexterous enough to don a pair of scissors and snip off a hearty snatch of arugula leaves...

...rinse...pinch of salt...paint of olive oil...fresh grated parmesian...

LUNCH</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@alfred</p>
<p>LOL :-)</p>
<p>Thanks for being a sport there my friend&#8230;</p>
<p>AVOIDANCE isn&#8217;t an altogether BAD way to approach things these days&#8230;</p>
<p>Hell, I&#8217;ll admit firsthand&#8230;The fact that I spent the last 30 hours sawing two tons of the &#8220;antichrist&#8221; version of a honey locust into SNICKERS BARS doesn&#8217;t mean that I&#8217;m a &#8220;God fearing industrialist&#8221;&#8230;Instead, it means&#8230;I&#8217;D TAKE ANY DISTRACTION&#8230;ANY WHATSOEVER&#8230;TO KEEP MY EFFING MIND OFF OF DAILY NEWS FLOWS&#8230;</p>
<p>Although I think the Shenendoah &#8220;tubers&#8221; did a better job than me&#8230;Bless their souls&#8230;</p>
<p>Unabomber?&#8230;Don&#8217;t know much about the guy (not that you do either)&#8230;I&#8217;m vaguely recollecting here&#8230; but it seems to me that I was living in Italy (1993 &#8211; 2005), during the time that his antics essentially hit the MSM and were eventually brought to a conclusion&#8230;</p>
<p>So to put it all into perspective&#8230;(per comments I read last week, combined with my &#8216;chores&#8217; of recent days)&#8230;I&#8217;m more likely to ED GEIN ( the inspiration behind the Texas Chainsaw Massacre), rather than Kasinsky (at least in my opinion)&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;but BTW&#8230;I &#8220;torched&#8217; the teeth on my chainsaw this weekend bringing down that honey locust&#8230;Next week I not only need them to get replaced, but I&#8217;d probably better order a spare chain&#8230;</p>
<p>So all of you TBP bloggers are SAFE &amp; SOUND for the time being&#8230;&amp; if you think my CAPS LOCKS pre-condition a visit to you whilst you slumber&#8230;ur safe for the time being&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;and karen, just after I&#8217;d struggled 30 hours with the honey locust lumber&#8230;I was dexterous enough to don a pair of scissors and snip off a hearty snatch of arugula leaves&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;rinse&#8230;pinch of salt&#8230;paint of olive oil&#8230;fresh grated parmesian&#8230;</p>
<p>LUNCH</p>
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		<title>By: alfred e</title>
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		<dc:creator>alfred e</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 23:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@cvienne:  BTW.   The untold truth.  the Unabomber was an incredibly caring, brilliant person.  Read the Mainfesto, but use the term &quot;progressive&quot; instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@cvienne:  BTW.   The untold truth.  the Unabomber was an incredibly caring, brilliant person.  Read the Mainfesto, but use the term &#8220;progressive&#8221; instead.</p>
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		<title>By: alfred e</title>
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		<dc:creator>alfred e</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 23:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@cvienne:  I would prefer to be Batman&#039;s butler.  Or Scottie.  As in &quot;Beam us up Scottie&quot;  .

Unfortunately, my pleasure is in adopting the Alfred E. Newman perspective &quot;What, Me Worry?&quot;  

Except if I were Alfred I would be on a beach somewhere totally removed from this blog.  

I&#039;m still working on it.  Avoidance.  Important things to say.  If it&#039;s not a video game or an iPod app, forget it.  

Lived in MD once upon a time:  Potomac.  Made it to Harper&#039;s Ferry.  Interesting choice.  

It&#039;s all too crazy.  Even there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@cvienne:  I would prefer to be Batman&#8217;s butler.  Or Scottie.  As in &#8220;Beam us up Scottie&#8221;  .</p>
<p>Unfortunately, my pleasure is in adopting the Alfred E. Newman perspective &#8220;What, Me Worry?&#8221;  </p>
<p>Except if I were Alfred I would be on a beach somewhere totally removed from this blog.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m still working on it.  Avoidance.  Important things to say.  If it&#8217;s not a video game or an iPod app, forget it.  </p>
<p>Lived in MD once upon a time:  Potomac.  Made it to Harper&#8217;s Ferry.  Interesting choice.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s all too crazy.  Even there.</p>
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		<title>By: cvienne</title>
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		<dc:creator>cvienne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 22:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...part deux (@alfred)

So for now I&#039;m sticking with SB&#039;s logic</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;part deux (@alfred)</p>
<p>So for now I&#8217;m sticking with SB&#8217;s logic</p>
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