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		<title>By: June 8 - Obama promises 600,000 jobs this summer - 4000 lost jobs in UKs LDV collapse - Intuit cuts 300 jobs - Clopay closing plant with 330 jobs - Feds need 10,000 cyber security experts - GM cuts 400 at Flint Truck Assembly &#124; The Layoff List</title>
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		<dc:creator>June 8 - Obama promises 600,000 jobs this summer - 4000 lost jobs in UKs LDV collapse - Intuit cuts 300 jobs - Clopay closing plant with 330 jobs - Feds need 10,000 cyber security experts - GM cuts 400 at Flint Truck Assembly &#124; The Layoff List</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 02:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] - Ron Griess of The Chart Store puts together a weekly run of oft fascinating charts. Since this past Friday was NFP day, lets have a look at some of the more telling Employment charts: via Roundup of Employment Charts &#124; The Big Picture. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] - Ron Griess of The Chart Store puts together a weekly run of oft fascinating charts. Since this past Friday was NFP day, lets have a look at some of the more telling Employment charts: via Roundup of Employment Charts | The Big Picture. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Pat G.</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/06/roundup-of-employment-charts/comment-page-2/#comment-180747</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 22:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ constantnormal

Thanks for the money supply link.  I looked at M3 which is the combination of all three and it appears to be significantly higher.  Am I not reading that chart correctly?  Besides, the U.S. is not the only country who is attempting to re-inflate.  The CPI is a bogus BLS number which just measures prices not monetary inflation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ constantnormal</p>
<p>Thanks for the money supply link.  I looked at M3 which is the combination of all three and it appears to be significantly higher.  Am I not reading that chart correctly?  Besides, the U.S. is not the only country who is attempting to re-inflate.  The CPI is a bogus BLS number which just measures prices not monetary inflation.</p>
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		<title>By: drollere</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/06/roundup-of-employment-charts/comment-page-2/#comment-180552</link>
		<dc:creator>drollere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 15:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>comparing the unemployment and U6 charts makes the point that all the data reporting needs to have a backward look at least to 1970, and better to 1950. U6 makes it look like this downturn will destroy planet earth, but the unemployment chart shows we haven&#039;t even gotten up to the unemployment in 1982. 

ladies and gentlemen, a deep breath please.

you have to tranche sentiment by source. i&#039;ve said the big three factors are distrust, hardship and uncertainty. 

i don&#039;t believe the hardship is depressing the market any more than it did in 1982. in fact, i think the hardship is already priced in.

what&#039;s keeping things down are distrust and uncertainty. 

distrust is usually stated as accusations of malfeasance, incompetence, collusion and fraud in or through current government policy and business practices. one third of this seems sensible to me, one third of it is stupid railing against irreducible human nature, and one third of it is politics. so the distrust is 2/3d&#039;s cultural and one third sound economic thinking.

the uncertainty is just what it is, uncertainty. you can&#039;t theorize, rationalize or predict uncertainty. it can only be reduced by structural factors and momentum. we less of both right now than we did a year ago. amost everything said about inflation, deflation, the dollar, gold, resource prices etc. is pointless just because it is talk about uncertainty. 

we are in a recession like other recessions. we distrust policy, but mostly for silly reasons. we want to predict the future, but the future at this point has become much more unpredictable. deal with what is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>comparing the unemployment and U6 charts makes the point that all the data reporting needs to have a backward look at least to 1970, and better to 1950. U6 makes it look like this downturn will destroy planet earth, but the unemployment chart shows we haven&#8217;t even gotten up to the unemployment in 1982. </p>
<p>ladies and gentlemen, a deep breath please.</p>
<p>you have to tranche sentiment by source. i&#8217;ve said the big three factors are distrust, hardship and uncertainty. </p>
<p>i don&#8217;t believe the hardship is depressing the market any more than it did in 1982. in fact, i think the hardship is already priced in.</p>
<p>what&#8217;s keeping things down are distrust and uncertainty. </p>
<p>distrust is usually stated as accusations of malfeasance, incompetence, collusion and fraud in or through current government policy and business practices. one third of this seems sensible to me, one third of it is stupid railing against irreducible human nature, and one third of it is politics. so the distrust is 2/3d&#8217;s cultural and one third sound economic thinking.</p>
<p>the uncertainty is just what it is, uncertainty. you can&#8217;t theorize, rationalize or predict uncertainty. it can only be reduced by structural factors and momentum. we less of both right now than we did a year ago. amost everything said about inflation, deflation, the dollar, gold, resource prices etc. is pointless just because it is talk about uncertainty. </p>
<p>we are in a recession like other recessions. we distrust policy, but mostly for silly reasons. we want to predict the future, but the future at this point has become much more unpredictable. deal with what is.</p>
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		<title>By: TheTradingReport &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2009-06-08</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/06/roundup-of-employment-charts/comment-page-2/#comment-180501</link>
		<dc:creator>TheTradingReport &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2009-06-08</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 13:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Barry Ritholtz: Roundup of Employment Charts &#124; The Big Picture [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Green Shoots or Inflation Pressure Futures &#124; The Big Picture</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/06/roundup-of-employment-charts/comment-page-2/#comment-180456</link>
		<dc:creator>Green Shoots or Inflation Pressure Futures &#124; The Big Picture</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 10:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] BLS data was looked at askance, as the Birth Death adjustment Goosed NFP. When we look at various employment charts, the picture remains downright [...]</description>
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		<title>By: links for 2009-06-08 &#124; Bailout and Financial Crisis News</title>
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		<dc:creator>links for 2009-06-08 &#124; Bailout and Financial Crisis News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 10:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Barry Ritholtz: Roundup of Employment Charts &#124; The Big Picture [...]</description>
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		<title>By: constantnormal</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/06/roundup-of-employment-charts/comment-page-2/#comment-180436</link>
		<dc:creator>constantnormal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 03:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Pat G, Wes Scott -- 6:48 pm

Before you get too excited about all the &quot;monetary explosion&quot;, take a trip over to the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;shadowstats site&lt;/a&gt; and see how &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theshortrun.com/data/Financial/aggregates/msexplain.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;M1, M2, and M3&lt;/a&gt; have behaved.

The Fed has to print a LOT more credit before the toxic debt black hole is washed away, and more still before it generates significant monetary inflation.  We are still in deflation mode.  The CPI says so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Pat G, Wes Scott &#8212; 6:48 pm</p>
<p>Before you get too excited about all the &#8220;monetary explosion&#8221;, take a trip over to the <a href="http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data" rel="nofollow">shadowstats site</a> and see how <a href="http://www.theshortrun.com/data/Financial/aggregates/msexplain.html" rel="nofollow">M1, M2, and M3</a> have behaved.</p>
<p>The Fed has to print a LOT more credit before the toxic debt black hole is washed away, and more still before it generates significant monetary inflation.  We are still in deflation mode.  The CPI says so.</p>
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		<title>By: Wes Schott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wes Schott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 01:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Manny@9:45 -

it&#039;s pretty old

but, i picked it off the shelf the other day when i was needing somthing to read (waiting for BR&#039;s book to publish and ship)

still interesting and easily transposed to recent times in the financial industry</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Manny@9:45 -</p>
<p>it&#8217;s pretty old</p>
<p>but, i picked it off the shelf the other day when i was needing somthing to read (waiting for BR&#8217;s book to publish and ship)</p>
<p>still interesting and easily transposed to recent times in the financial industry</p>
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		<title>By: Mannwich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mannwich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 01:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have not, but might add it to my summer reading list.  I have read &quot;Moneyball&quot; and many of his articles.  I typicall like is stuff.  He usually does a solid job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have not, but might add it to my summer reading list.  I have read &#8220;Moneyball&#8221; and many of his articles.  I typicall like is stuff.  He usually does a solid job.</p>
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		<title>By: Wes Schott</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/06/roundup-of-employment-charts/comment-page-2/#comment-180415</link>
		<dc:creator>Wes Schott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 01:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Manny,

did you read Liars Poker?

I did, many (not manny) years ago

yeah, i would say that he knows what is going on, we can add him to the list, along with Taleb and so many others....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Manny,</p>
<p>did you read Liars Poker?</p>
<p>I did, many (not manny) years ago</p>
<p>yeah, i would say that he knows what is going on, we can add him to the list, along with Taleb and so many others&#8230;.</p>
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