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		<title>By: JustinTheSkeptic</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/07/challenge-to-jim-cramer-lets-talk-about-banks/comment-page-2/#comment-198933</link>
		<dc:creator>JustinTheSkeptic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 23:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People, it is an inside pump job that starts at the White House, over to Congress, on to GS, around the horn to CNBC, ditto all the main stream print media and finally to good ole Jimmy Cramer..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People, it is an inside pump job that starts at the White House, over to Congress, on to GS, around the horn to CNBC, ditto all the main stream print media and finally to good ole Jimmy Cramer..</p>
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		<title>By: clawback</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/07/challenge-to-jim-cramer-lets-talk-about-banks/comment-page-2/#comment-198758</link>
		<dc:creator>clawback</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 18:12:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Chris Whalen has an ego 1 million times the size of his intellect. He desperately wants to be one of the TV talking heads. As for analytical talent, who knows? But all he posts of this site is unfounded opinions.&quot;

I&#039;d say the ego and the intellect are well matched.  In any case, how do you know Whalen wants to be a &quot;TV talking head&quot;?  Sounds like one of those &quot;unfounded opinions.&quot;  I had always assumed he wanted to be Treasury Secretary -- as he should be.  If there&#039;s a more qualified candidate -- with the requisite intellect, analytical skills, knowledge base, and political skills (also very important) -- he or she must be hiding under a rock somewhere because I&#039;ve never heard of them.  Tim Geithner was a poor, poor choice, as we have seen.

I don&#039;t know Chris Whalen personally, or in any other capacity for that matter, but he clearly has the talent and the horse sense to be a true public servant.  Of the many public voices througout this whole bailout debacle, he&#039;s been one of the taxpayer&#039;s best friends.   Who else has argued so credibly for the resolution of zombie banks like Citi and Bank of America?  

What&#039;s your beef, mkkby?  I&#039;m curious.  (You really work for Treasury, don&#039;t you ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Chris Whalen has an ego 1 million times the size of his intellect. He desperately wants to be one of the TV talking heads. As for analytical talent, who knows? But all he posts of this site is unfounded opinions.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;d say the ego and the intellect are well matched.  In any case, how do you know Whalen wants to be a &#8220;TV talking head&#8221;?  Sounds like one of those &#8220;unfounded opinions.&#8221;  I had always assumed he wanted to be Treasury Secretary &#8212; as he should be.  If there&#8217;s a more qualified candidate &#8212; with the requisite intellect, analytical skills, knowledge base, and political skills (also very important) &#8212; he or she must be hiding under a rock somewhere because I&#8217;ve never heard of them.  Tim Geithner was a poor, poor choice, as we have seen.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know Chris Whalen personally, or in any other capacity for that matter, but he clearly has the talent and the horse sense to be a true public servant.  Of the many public voices througout this whole bailout debacle, he&#8217;s been one of the taxpayer&#8217;s best friends.   Who else has argued so credibly for the resolution of zombie banks like Citi and Bank of America?  </p>
<p>What&#8217;s your beef, mkkby?  I&#8217;m curious.  (You really work for Treasury, don&#8217;t you ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: mkkby</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/07/challenge-to-jim-cramer-lets-talk-about-banks/comment-page-2/#comment-198700</link>
		<dc:creator>mkkby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 16:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris Whalen has an ego 1 million times the size of his intellect.  He desperately wants to be one of the TV talking heads.  As for analytical talent, who knows?  But all he posts of this site is unfounded opinions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris Whalen has an ego 1 million times the size of his intellect.  He desperately wants to be one of the TV talking heads.  As for analytical talent, who knows?  But all he posts of this site is unfounded opinions.</p>
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		<title>By: The Big Picture Challenges Jim Cramer on the Banks &#171; The Reformed Broker</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/07/challenge-to-jim-cramer-lets-talk-about-banks/comment-page-2/#comment-198693</link>
		<dc:creator>The Big Picture Challenges Jim Cramer on the Banks &#171; The Reformed Broker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 16:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: lane4411</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/07/challenge-to-jim-cramer-lets-talk-about-banks/comment-page-2/#comment-198664</link>
		<dc:creator>lane4411</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 15:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cramer, was pushing JOE, in 05/06 @ the peak of the condo boom on the gulf coast. Both stock and P/E were through the roof. There was also a 24 month supply of units, with additional construction underway.
 
Have zero confidence in Jimbo.

Off subject SNV - Synovus has a couple of lawsuits pending and is on the ropes. There appears to be malfeasance, with Sea Island and other &quot;preferred borrower&#039;s&quot;. This appears to be SOP for a number of regional community banks throughout the US -oh well</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cramer, was pushing JOE, in 05/06 @ the peak of the condo boom on the gulf coast. Both stock and P/E were through the roof. There was also a 24 month supply of units, with additional construction underway.</p>
<p>Have zero confidence in Jimbo.</p>
<p>Off subject SNV &#8211; Synovus has a couple of lawsuits pending and is on the ropes. There appears to be malfeasance, with Sea Island and other &#8220;preferred borrower&#8217;s&#8221;. This appears to be SOP for a number of regional community banks throughout the US -oh well</p>
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		<title>By: Publius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Publius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 15:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoops, it was Chris&#039; post. Sorry about that. Chris is wrong here. Which makes me think that he thinks he knows more than he actually does. Maybe not as egregiously as JC, (who&#039;s show is entertaining, even when he&#039;s wrong. I shudder at the though of him on Charlie Rose.) but still...

But we all make mistakes, don&#039;t we?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoops, it was Chris&#8217; post. Sorry about that. Chris is wrong here. Which makes me think that he thinks he knows more than he actually does. Maybe not as egregiously as JC, (who&#8217;s show is entertaining, even when he&#8217;s wrong. I shudder at the though of him on Charlie Rose.) but still&#8230;</p>
<p>But we all make mistakes, don&#8217;t we?</p>
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		<title>By: Publius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Publius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 14:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a small item:

The FDIC *is* the primary regulator for state-chartered banks. Yes, the state examines those banks, but they follow the FDIC. The FDIC has examination teams that go in and rate the state-chartered institutions (1 through 5) and issue cease-and-desist orders and sometimes lock the doors.

I worked in the finance/treasury department of a multi-bank holding company and we had banks that national, state, and thrift charters. We occasionally had unified exams (led by the regional Fed bank), but more often we had  individual agencies come in.

The FDIC was nowhere near as thorough as the OCC or the Fed. The state examiners were a joke (one of the guys assigned to examine us had been fired from our finance department for his incompetence), and the OTS had bigger fish to fry. The FDIC guys just worked through their checklists; the OCC actually tried to understand our methodology. They also had a Washington office that knew how banks were run.

So Barry is wrong when he says that the FDIC only comes in after the primary regulator shuts down the bank. With state-chartered banks, they *are* the primary regulator.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a small item:</p>
<p>The FDIC *is* the primary regulator for state-chartered banks. Yes, the state examines those banks, but they follow the FDIC. The FDIC has examination teams that go in and rate the state-chartered institutions (1 through 5) and issue cease-and-desist orders and sometimes lock the doors.</p>
<p>I worked in the finance/treasury department of a multi-bank holding company and we had banks that national, state, and thrift charters. We occasionally had unified exams (led by the regional Fed bank), but more often we had  individual agencies come in.</p>
<p>The FDIC was nowhere near as thorough as the OCC or the Fed. The state examiners were a joke (one of the guys assigned to examine us had been fired from our finance department for his incompetence), and the OTS had bigger fish to fry. The FDIC guys just worked through their checklists; the OCC actually tried to understand our methodology. They also had a Washington office that knew how banks were run.</p>
<p>So Barry is wrong when he says that the FDIC only comes in after the primary regulator shuts down the bank. With state-chartered banks, they *are* the primary regulator.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt M.</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/07/challenge-to-jim-cramer-lets-talk-about-banks/comment-page-2/#comment-198624</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 14:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cramer is a buffoon, but he is also a very easy target. I don&#039;t know if Mr. Whelan trades or runs money, so in the interest of fairness.....we&#039;ll back up his critique and asign him short position in the two stocks he mentions above......using today&#039;s opening price:

Short USB @ $19.95

Short WBS @ $11.40

As always, performance trumps opinions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cramer is a buffoon, but he is also a very easy target. I don&#8217;t know if Mr. Whelan trades or runs money, so in the interest of fairness&#8230;..we&#8217;ll back up his critique and asign him short position in the two stocks he mentions above&#8230;&#8230;using today&#8217;s opening price:</p>
<p>Short USB @ $19.95</p>
<p>Short WBS @ $11.40</p>
<p>As always, performance trumps opinions.</p>
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		<title>By: dead hobo</title>
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		<dc:creator>dead hobo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 13:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1) I used to like and respect Cramer. I read several of his books and learned a lot of useful things from them. Today, he just seems like a  dangerous gasbag who likely has separated innumerable people from their savings via terrible advice.

2) The FDIC is my personal hero. My bank was told to raise additional capital or face possible takeover or closure this Fall. Their non performing commercial loans are off the chart. FDIC insurance premiums are roughly 5 or 6 times over last year&#039;s expense. If it weren&#039;t for mark to market changes,they would be in even worse shape. Huge layoffs barely dented this quarter&#039;s numbers. And they paid large &#039;retention bonuses&#039; earlier this year to senior management. It&#039;s a basket case that will probably be under new ownership soon. Am I worried ... No because of FDIC insurance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) I used to like and respect Cramer. I read several of his books and learned a lot of useful things from them. Today, he just seems like a  dangerous gasbag who likely has separated innumerable people from their savings via terrible advice.</p>
<p>2) The FDIC is my personal hero. My bank was told to raise additional capital or face possible takeover or closure this Fall. Their non performing commercial loans are off the chart. FDIC insurance premiums are roughly 5 or 6 times over last year&#8217;s expense. If it weren&#8217;t for mark to market changes,they would be in even worse shape. Huge layoffs barely dented this quarter&#8217;s numbers. And they paid large &#8216;retention bonuses&#8217; earlier this year to senior management. It&#8217;s a basket case that will probably be under new ownership soon. Am I worried &#8230; No because of FDIC insurance.</p>
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		<title>By: mark mchugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>mark mchugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 10:40:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris,

The problem with beating down Cramer is futility.  You know those inflatable clowns with sand in the bottom?  (see where I&#039;m going...)

The phenomenon that you describe with banks is a much bigger problem.  These banks that won&#039;t die are propping up businesses that should die.  They&#039;re replacing the concept that &quot;capital flows where it&#039;s treated best&quot; ,   to &quot;we know where the capital needs to go.&quot;  That will be the death of capitalism.

So, we are keeping small businesses run by incompetents on life support, &quot;until things get better&quot;.  Hopefully, you guys get ther irony....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris,</p>
<p>The problem with beating down Cramer is futility.  You know those inflatable clowns with sand in the bottom?  (see where I&#8217;m going&#8230;)</p>
<p>The phenomenon that you describe with banks is a much bigger problem.  These banks that won&#8217;t die are propping up businesses that should die.  They&#8217;re replacing the concept that &#8220;capital flows where it&#8217;s treated best&#8221; ,   to &#8220;we know where the capital needs to go.&#8221;  That will be the death of capitalism.</p>
<p>So, we are keeping small businesses run by incompetents on life support, &#8220;until things get better&#8221;.  Hopefully, you guys get ther irony&#8230;.</p>
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