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		<title>By: Ted Kavadas</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/07/ecri-commentary/comment-page-1/#comment-195259</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted Kavadas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 15:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While ECRI appears to have a good, if not very good record at calling economic turning points, the question that I have raised is whether their current prediction will prove accurate.  

One of the themes I have talked about repeatedly is my view that we are in a &quot;new (economic) environment.&quot;  Assuming this is true, then models that have worked well historically may face rather difficult odds in the future as to their predictive powers.

I have recently commented about ECRI&#039;s current forecast at the following link, as well as other economic forecasts at the same site:

http://www.economicgreenfield.com/2009/07/15/recent-ecri-statements/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While ECRI appears to have a good, if not very good record at calling economic turning points, the question that I have raised is whether their current prediction will prove accurate.  </p>
<p>One of the themes I have talked about repeatedly is my view that we are in a &#8220;new (economic) environment.&#8221;  Assuming this is true, then models that have worked well historically may face rather difficult odds in the future as to their predictive powers.</p>
<p>I have recently commented about ECRI&#8217;s current forecast at the following link, as well as other economic forecasts at the same site:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.economicgreenfield.com/2009/07/15/recent-ecri-statements/" rel="nofollow">http://www.economicgreenfield.com/2009/07/15/recent-ecri-statements/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Myr</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/07/ecri-commentary/comment-page-1/#comment-195132</link>
		<dc:creator>Myr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 18:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, I&#039;m supposed to care about someone&#039;s blackbox model that&#039;s currently telling me everything is going to be fine? You have to be kidding me, Barry. 

Here are a bunch of questions I can&#039;t get an answer to: How does this model account for our massive debt levels relative to GDP? How does this model account for the fact that our taxes are about to go up? How does this model account for the aging of the population and the coming medicare crisis? What level of real GDP growth is this model predicting for next year or the next 5 years? If I can&#039;t get an answer to these questions then why should I care?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, I&#8217;m supposed to care about someone&#8217;s blackbox model that&#8217;s currently telling me everything is going to be fine? You have to be kidding me, Barry. </p>
<p>Here are a bunch of questions I can&#8217;t get an answer to: How does this model account for our massive debt levels relative to GDP? How does this model account for the fact that our taxes are about to go up? How does this model account for the aging of the population and the coming medicare crisis? What level of real GDP growth is this model predicting for next year or the next 5 years? If I can&#8217;t get an answer to these questions then why should I care?</p>
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		<title>By: Moss</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/07/ecri-commentary/comment-page-1/#comment-195041</link>
		<dc:creator>Moss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 11:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder who the institutional clients of the research are.
That would tell me more than the graphs and predictive accuracy of them.

Many obviously believe in the predictive powers and bought all the early cycle sectors.
Keep in mind that some are postulating that we had growth in the 2nd qtr.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder who the institutional clients of the research are.<br />
That would tell me more than the graphs and predictive accuracy of them.</p>
<p>Many obviously believe in the predictive powers and bought all the early cycle sectors.<br />
Keep in mind that some are postulating that we had growth in the 2nd qtr.</p>
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		<title>By: lakshman</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/07/ecri-commentary/comment-page-1/#comment-194981</link>
		<dc:creator>lakshman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 22:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>spistol Says: 
July 17th, 2009 at 3:32 pm 
Back in March, ECRI saw no recovery in 2009. Now the recession is over. They’re a lagging indicator of what the stock market has been doing.

Hi Spistol,

Here is a link to a public ECRI statement on recovery from early April:
 
http://www.businesscycle.com/news/press/1374/

Lakshman</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>spistol Says:<br />
July 17th, 2009 at 3:32 pm<br />
Back in March, ECRI saw no recovery in 2009. Now the recession is over. They’re a lagging indicator of what the stock market has been doing.</p>
<p>Hi Spistol,</p>
<p>Here is a link to a public ECRI statement on recovery from early April:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.businesscycle.com/news/press/1374/" rel="nofollow">http://www.businesscycle.com/news/press/1374/</a></p>
<p>Lakshman</p>
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		<title>By: spistol</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/07/ecri-commentary/comment-page-1/#comment-194906</link>
		<dc:creator>spistol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 19:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back in March, ECRI saw no recovery in 2009. Now the recession is over. They&#039;re a lagging indicator of what the stock market has been doing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back in March, ECRI saw no recovery in 2009. Now the recession is over. They&#8217;re a lagging indicator of what the stock market has been doing.</p>
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		<title>By: leftback</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/07/ecri-commentary/comment-page-1/#comment-194799</link>
		<dc:creator>leftback</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 15:58:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Making the call over the winter that the world was not going to end was not the most difficult prediction of all time.
What happens from here on out will be determined by the savings rate and last time I saw that it was soaring....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Making the call over the winter that the world was not going to end was not the most difficult prediction of all time.<br />
What happens from here on out will be determined by the savings rate and last time I saw that it was soaring&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: cvienne</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/07/ecri-commentary/comment-page-1/#comment-194791</link>
		<dc:creator>cvienne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 15:52:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The consumer remains tapped out, has more difficulty obtaining credit, and even if they have access to credit, they&#039;re mostly in the process of trying to repair their personal balance sheet...

Those lucky to have  jobs are still in fear of losing them or seeing their hours scaled back...Their investments (in stock portfolios) have done NOTHING over the past 10 years...Their home has lost value over the last 2-3 years, and if they recently purchased, they may either be underwater or facing an option ARM reset which will further set them back...

So all I still see are economic &quot;indicators&quot; which temporarily tick positive due to massive government giveaways to stem the problem (through compensation benefits extensions - which will run out soon), and HOPE in the business community that this was, in fact, a garden variety recession...

When people are merrily shopping again, I&#039;ll believe this is an ordinary cycle...Judging by anecdotal evidence that I see in the real world, it won&#039;t happen unless someone happens to manufacture the artificial bubble (in something) of all time...and do it pretty quickly because the clock is ticking...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The consumer remains tapped out, has more difficulty obtaining credit, and even if they have access to credit, they&#8217;re mostly in the process of trying to repair their personal balance sheet&#8230;</p>
<p>Those lucky to have  jobs are still in fear of losing them or seeing their hours scaled back&#8230;Their investments (in stock portfolios) have done NOTHING over the past 10 years&#8230;Their home has lost value over the last 2-3 years, and if they recently purchased, they may either be underwater or facing an option ARM reset which will further set them back&#8230;</p>
<p>So all I still see are economic &#8220;indicators&#8221; which temporarily tick positive due to massive government giveaways to stem the problem (through compensation benefits extensions &#8211; which will run out soon), and HOPE in the business community that this was, in fact, a garden variety recession&#8230;</p>
<p>When people are merrily shopping again, I&#8217;ll believe this is an ordinary cycle&#8230;Judging by anecdotal evidence that I see in the real world, it won&#8217;t happen unless someone happens to manufacture the artificial bubble (in something) of all time&#8230;and do it pretty quickly because the clock is ticking&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Onlooker from Troy</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/07/ecri-commentary/comment-page-1/#comment-194785</link>
		<dc:creator>Onlooker from Troy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 15:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OregonGuy

Yep.  That&#039;s basically my point.  Yes they may have called the cyclical bounce correctly, but does it really matter in the context of what we&#039;re going through here?  Other than the fact that it&#039;s good for a massive stock market rally driven by the psychology of a world that&#039;s DESPERATE for good news and is willing to delude itself that all is well, even in the face of the overwhelming evidence to the contrary.  Fascinating stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OregonGuy</p>
<p>Yep.  That&#8217;s basically my point.  Yes they may have called the cyclical bounce correctly, but does it really matter in the context of what we&#8217;re going through here?  Other than the fact that it&#8217;s good for a massive stock market rally driven by the psychology of a world that&#8217;s DESPERATE for good news and is willing to delude itself that all is well, even in the face of the overwhelming evidence to the contrary.  Fascinating stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: leftback</title>
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		<dc:creator>leftback</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 15:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;When GDP growth turns positive he’ll brag about the call in a sales pitch. Judging by the arrogant tone of his post, he’s good at bragging.&quot;

Achuthan would have been thoroughly at home reporting on wheat or iron ore production for the Nazis or Stalin. He has no capacity for independent thought, intellectual substance, conscience or credibility. Banana Republics are overloaded with people like this; it&#039;s the Tyranny of the Incompetent™.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;When GDP growth turns positive he’ll brag about the call in a sales pitch. Judging by the arrogant tone of his post, he’s good at bragging.&#8221;</p>
<p>Achuthan would have been thoroughly at home reporting on wheat or iron ore production for the Nazis or Stalin. He has no capacity for independent thought, intellectual substance, conscience or credibility. Banana Republics are overloaded with people like this; it&#8217;s the Tyranny of the Incompetent™.</p>
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		<title>By: Onlooker from Troy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Onlooker from Troy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 15:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, some refreshing honesty from Tyson, eh?  But the market and the masses are in no mood to deal with reality, it seems.  So this will be sloughed off in favor of the facts that support what people wish for.  Until the bipolar market shifts again.  Yeah, it&#039;s a healthy market.  Right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, some refreshing honesty from Tyson, eh?  But the market and the masses are in no mood to deal with reality, it seems.  So this will be sloughed off in favor of the facts that support what people wish for.  Until the bipolar market shifts again.  Yeah, it&#8217;s a healthy market.  Right.</p>
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