As much as I respect Shiller, sometimes he leaves me disappointed…first, he looked at his own housing index last month and somehow concluded we may be bottoming. His 20 city index is 20% above past all-time highs…even if it only drops 15% from here, it would be disastrous. In this clip, he clings to a 10 year avg P/E, when the last 10 years included the height of the tech bubble and all of the housing bubble. This is the quintessential time to throw out 10 year earnings…they are inflated and make the market look cheaper. Shiller may be shill-ing too many books, indices and futures markets. He’s becoming a media personality.
You make an excellent point about the 10 year average P/E ratio. I’d argue that you have to beware of any analysis that relies on historical P/E ratios to support a price target.
To be fair to Shiller, though, his only real advice was “diversify.” Other than that, he pretty much just rambled on about all the risk he saw. I find it refreshing to see an expert essentially admit that he doesn’t know exactly what to do.
Consumer Credit outstanding fell $14.8b in Sept seasonally adjusted, almost $5b more than expected and marks the 11th month in the past 12 of declines. At $2.456T outstanding, it is 4.9% below the record high in July '08. After a flat reading in Aug, (didn't fall b/c of the CARS program), non revolving debt outstanding fell by $4.9B. Revolving (mostly credit cards) balances outstanding fell by $9.9B. To fully put into perspective today's data, look at the current level of consumer credit (doesn't include mortgages, the biggest chunk of consumer credit) relative to GDP. As of Q3, it totaled 17.2%...
July 13th, 2009 at 7:45 am
As much as I respect Shiller, sometimes he leaves me disappointed…first, he looked at his own housing index last month and somehow concluded we may be bottoming. His 20 city index is 20% above past all-time highs…even if it only drops 15% from here, it would be disastrous. In this clip, he clings to a 10 year avg P/E, when the last 10 years included the height of the tech bubble and all of the housing bubble. This is the quintessential time to throw out 10 year earnings…they are inflated and make the market look cheaper. Shiller may be shill-ing too many books, indices and futures markets. He’s becoming a media personality.
July 13th, 2009 at 11:35 am
@Steve Barry,
You make an excellent point about the 10 year average P/E ratio. I’d argue that you have to beware of any analysis that relies on historical P/E ratios to support a price target.
To be fair to Shiller, though, his only real advice was “diversify.” Other than that, he pretty much just rambled on about all the risk he saw. I find it refreshing to see an expert essentially admit that he doesn’t know exactly what to do.
July 13th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
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