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		<title>By: contraguy</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/07/what-is-goldman-sachs/comment-page-1/#comment-195937</link>
		<dc:creator>contraguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 02:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For starters, there is no need to “twist” anything to show that Buffett made a fantastic move with his Goldman deal, one only need a keen sense of the obvious. I note that you did not refute any of the numbers regarding the tremendous size of his current paper profit. Now, if you wish to argue that it is after all a “paper” profit, and that Goldman will go bankrupt in the next four years and Buffett will consequently lose his shirt, then that’s a different matter – but you ought to say so then.

So he’s way ahead on his warrants now, but he was way behind, i.e. a “loser”, when Goldman common was at $47. Wrong!! The warrants cannot have a negative value. His cost base is zero. Now, if he had bought Goldman common, then it would matter more. If he bought Goldman common on margin, well then your point would actually be relevant. But he did neither of these. Haven’t you asked yourself why he didn’t buy the common?

Then weirdly you bring in GE. An interesting ploy to introduce a supposed “loser” to water down the big winner. It would have been far more effective if you had included ConocoPhillips, which Buffett has characterized as an “unforced error”. But why stop there? How about throwing in his ill fated investment in Dexter Shoes in 1993?

Whatever, sure, then let’s throw GE into the mix. The “two collectively are losers”? How do you reckon that? Again, that might be true for somebody who bought the common on those dates, but that somebody wasn’t Warren. To say he lost half of his investment in three months is ridiculous.
 
Now we get to the fun part. Buffett’s warrants to purchase GE at $22.25 on October 1, 2013 are apparently worthless. You might want to send a memo to the poor slob who bought the Jan 2011 calls, strike $22.50 at $0.30 today. Tell you what Jim. How about you write a big pile of those warrants, and I’ll back up my truck and take that worthless crap off your hands. I’d like that a lot.

Does Buffett make mistakes? Of course he does, and he is more forthright in admitting them than 99.9% of money managers. But Goldman wasn’t one of them, rather, it is a sterling example of why he has had such a remarkable career. In your piece, you did bring up some worthy points about Goldman’s business model, but that is just one facet of a unique financial entity. What you’re missing is the big picture, Goldman in its totality, which Buffett with his wealth of experience, is a master at assessing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For starters, there is no need to “twist” anything to show that Buffett made a fantastic move with his Goldman deal, one only need a keen sense of the obvious. I note that you did not refute any of the numbers regarding the tremendous size of his current paper profit. Now, if you wish to argue that it is after all a “paper” profit, and that Goldman will go bankrupt in the next four years and Buffett will consequently lose his shirt, then that’s a different matter – but you ought to say so then.</p>
<p>So he’s way ahead on his warrants now, but he was way behind, i.e. a “loser”, when Goldman common was at $47. Wrong!! The warrants cannot have a negative value. His cost base is zero. Now, if he had bought Goldman common, then it would matter more. If he bought Goldman common on margin, well then your point would actually be relevant. But he did neither of these. Haven’t you asked yourself why he didn’t buy the common?</p>
<p>Then weirdly you bring in GE. An interesting ploy to introduce a supposed “loser” to water down the big winner. It would have been far more effective if you had included ConocoPhillips, which Buffett has characterized as an “unforced error”. But why stop there? How about throwing in his ill fated investment in Dexter Shoes in 1993?</p>
<p>Whatever, sure, then let’s throw GE into the mix. The “two collectively are losers”? How do you reckon that? Again, that might be true for somebody who bought the common on those dates, but that somebody wasn’t Warren. To say he lost half of his investment in three months is ridiculous.</p>
<p>Now we get to the fun part. Buffett’s warrants to purchase GE at $22.25 on October 1, 2013 are apparently worthless. You might want to send a memo to the poor slob who bought the Jan 2011 calls, strike $22.50 at $0.30 today. Tell you what Jim. How about you write a big pile of those warrants, and I’ll back up my truck and take that worthless crap off your hands. I’d like that a lot.</p>
<p>Does Buffett make mistakes? Of course he does, and he is more forthright in admitting them than 99.9% of money managers. But Goldman wasn’t one of them, rather, it is a sterling example of why he has had such a remarkable career. In your piece, you did bring up some worthy points about Goldman’s business model, but that is just one facet of a unique financial entity. What you’re missing is the big picture, Goldman in its totality, which Buffett with his wealth of experience, is a master at assessing.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Bianco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Bianco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 21:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Responding to contraguy ...

With most managers almost everything they do is twisted into a &quot;why they are wrong&quot; scenario.  With Buffett almost everything he does is twisted into a &quot;why he is right&quot; scenario?

Regarding his buy into Goldman ...  He bought his preferred on September 24 when Goldman&#039;s stock was at $133.  It bottomed on November 21 at $47.  Today it is $155.  Can I be graded on this scale too when my investments are judged &quot;right or wrong?&quot;

Recall that he bought the week TARP was passed.  He said he bought in anticipation that it would pass and it was a wonderful idea to do it.  How has this idea worked out?

His 10% coupon on September 24 compares to a 8.75% yield on the overall Preferred index and 8.52% on the investment grade bond index.  So yes he received a premium but it is not a huge as you imply.

Additionally, when you compare it to GE, an investment he made a week later (October 1) with the same terms, the two collectively are losers.  GE was at $24 on October 1 versus $11.60 today.  Those warrants are worthless.

Buffett admits one of the worst investments he ever made was Solomon in 1987.  These investments prove the guy is bad when investing in brokers.

Or, can I lose over half my investment in three months and then pretend I never made it until it bounces back?  That is what Buffett is doing.

But, this digresses from the point of the post.  Buffett bought a leveraged position in LQD or JNK and thinks it is something other than that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Responding to contraguy &#8230;</p>
<p>With most managers almost everything they do is twisted into a &#8220;why they are wrong&#8221; scenario.  With Buffett almost everything he does is twisted into a &#8220;why he is right&#8221; scenario?</p>
<p>Regarding his buy into Goldman &#8230;  He bought his preferred on September 24 when Goldman&#8217;s stock was at $133.  It bottomed on November 21 at $47.  Today it is $155.  Can I be graded on this scale too when my investments are judged &#8220;right or wrong?&#8221;</p>
<p>Recall that he bought the week TARP was passed.  He said he bought in anticipation that it would pass and it was a wonderful idea to do it.  How has this idea worked out?</p>
<p>His 10% coupon on September 24 compares to a 8.75% yield on the overall Preferred index and 8.52% on the investment grade bond index.  So yes he received a premium but it is not a huge as you imply.</p>
<p>Additionally, when you compare it to GE, an investment he made a week later (October 1) with the same terms, the two collectively are losers.  GE was at $24 on October 1 versus $11.60 today.  Those warrants are worthless.</p>
<p>Buffett admits one of the worst investments he ever made was Solomon in 1987.  These investments prove the guy is bad when investing in brokers.</p>
<p>Or, can I lose over half my investment in three months and then pretend I never made it until it bounces back?  That is what Buffett is doing.</p>
<p>But, this digresses from the point of the post.  Buffett bought a leveraged position in LQD or JNK and thinks it is something other than that.</p>
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		<title>By: TheTradingReport &#187; Blog Archive &#187; What We&#8217;re Reading (7/17/09)</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/07/what-is-goldman-sachs/comment-page-1/#comment-194752</link>
		<dc:creator>TheTradingReport &#187; Blog Archive &#187; What We&#8217;re Reading (7/17/09)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 14:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is Goldman Sachs? (A giant credit portfolio?) [The Big [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Goldman Sachs: Tiefere Einblicke in die Bilanzzahlen des 2. Quartals (Das Spiel mit dem Risiko ist wieder &#8220;in&#8221;)&#160;&#8226;&#160;Börsennotizbuch</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/07/what-is-goldman-sachs/comment-page-1/#comment-194196</link>
		<dc:creator>Goldman Sachs: Tiefere Einblicke in die Bilanzzahlen des 2. Quartals (Das Spiel mit dem Risiko ist wieder &#8220;in&#8221;)&#160;&#8226;&#160;Börsennotizbuch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 12:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Big Picture ver&#246;ffentlicht mehrere Charts zur Entwicklung der Goldman-Sachs Bilanzpositionen und Aktienkurs. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: dcsos</title>
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		<dc:creator>dcsos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 05:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What Is Goldman Sachs?
Men with Sacks made of Gold</description>
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Men with Sacks made of Gold</p>
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		<title>By: Trade prep: don&#8217;t that beat all edition &#171; Mr. Unexpectedly</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/07/what-is-goldman-sachs/comment-page-1/#comment-193525</link>
		<dc:creator>Trade prep: don&#8217;t that beat all edition &#171; Mr. Unexpectedly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 04:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] failure to correct our own actions&#8211;and nothing says this better than stellar $GS earnings on some very risky &#8220;banking&#8221;&#8211;means we are doomed to repeat ourselves. Until we learn&#8211;until we learn&#8211;I&#8217;ll [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] failure to correct our own actions&#8211;and nothing says this better than stellar $GS earnings on some very risky &#8220;banking&#8221;&#8211;means we are doomed to repeat ourselves. Until we learn&#8211;until we learn&#8211;I&#8217;ll [...]</p>
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		<title>By: FromLori</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/07/what-is-goldman-sachs/comment-page-1/#comment-193482</link>
		<dc:creator>FromLori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 02:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The correct answer is BO&#039;s master.

Collateral Use Increases By 86% to $4 Trillion 

http://www.rgemonitor.com/financemarkets-monitor/256551/collateral_use_increases_by_86_to_4_trillion

http://www.reuters.com/article/fundsFundsNews/idUSN0939714920090609

Financial Chaos: The Invisible One Quadrillion Dollar Equation



http://www.intent.com/blog/2008/09/29/stop-a-financial-bomb


https://www.kbcmerchantbanking.com/WPP/D9e01

A failure at CIT could result in losses for Goldman Sachs and Wells Fargo. Goldman last year agreed to a $3bn secured financing facility for CIT and Wells Fargo provided $500m in secured financing.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/980ffa7a-6fe3-11de-b835-00144feabdc0.html?nclick_check=1

So what is tax cheat timmy government sachs doing?

Despite the tough talk about CIT Group not being systemically important enough to be bailed out by the government, it looks like the bailout is coming.

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-cit-bailout-looms-ever-closer-2009-7

Who is really picking up the tab?

The panel, charged with determining whether taxpayers are receiving maximum benefit from the TARP, conducted its own valuation of the warrants the Treasury holds. It found that the 11 banks that have repurchased their warrants from the Treasury for a total amount that the panel estimates to be only 66 percent of current market value, shortchanging taxpayers by $10 million.

http://washington.bizjournals.com/washington/stories/2009/07/06/daily90.html

Goldman Sachs Group Inc executives sold almost $700 million worth of stock since the collapse of rival Lehman Brothers last year, the Financial Times said on Monday.

The newspaper said that most of the stock sales took place while the biggest U.S. investment bank was bailed out by the government with $10 billion of taxpayer money, according to filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

http://www.reuters.com/article/ousivMolt/idUSTRE56D03R20090714

http://greenhellblog.com/2009/07/08/goldman-sachs-to-be-carbon-regulator/

http://greeninc.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/12/goldman-sachs-buys-into-carbon-offsets/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The correct answer is BO&#8217;s master.</p>
<p>Collateral Use Increases By 86% to $4 Trillion </p>
<p><a href="http://www.rgemonitor.com/financemarkets-monitor/256551/collateral_use_increases_by_86_to_4_trillion" rel="nofollow">http://www.rgemonitor.com/financemarkets-monitor/256551/collateral_use_increases_by_86_to_4_trillion</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/fundsFundsNews/idUSN0939714920090609" rel="nofollow">http://www.reuters.com/article/fundsFundsNews/idUSN0939714920090609</a></p>
<p>Financial Chaos: The Invisible One Quadrillion Dollar Equation</p>
<p><a href="http://www.intent.com/blog/2008/09/29/stop-a-financial-bomb" rel="nofollow">http://www.intent.com/blog/2008/09/29/stop-a-financial-bomb</a></p>
<p><a href="https://www.kbcmerchantbanking.com/WPP/D9e01" rel="nofollow">https://www.kbcmerchantbanking.com/WPP/D9e01</a></p>
<p>A failure at CIT could result in losses for Goldman Sachs and Wells Fargo. Goldman last year agreed to a $3bn secured financing facility for CIT and Wells Fargo provided $500m in secured financing.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/980ffa7a-6fe3-11de-b835-00144feabdc0.html?nclick_check=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/980ffa7a-6fe3-11de-b835-00144feabdc0.html?nclick_check=1</a></p>
<p>So what is tax cheat timmy government sachs doing?</p>
<p>Despite the tough talk about CIT Group not being systemically important enough to be bailed out by the government, it looks like the bailout is coming.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/the-cit-bailout-looms-ever-closer-2009-7" rel="nofollow">http://www.businessinsider.com/the-cit-bailout-looms-ever-closer-2009-7</a></p>
<p>Who is really picking up the tab?</p>
<p>The panel, charged with determining whether taxpayers are receiving maximum benefit from the TARP, conducted its own valuation of the warrants the Treasury holds. It found that the 11 banks that have repurchased their warrants from the Treasury for a total amount that the panel estimates to be only 66 percent of current market value, shortchanging taxpayers by $10 million.</p>
<p><a href="http://washington.bizjournals.com/washington/stories/2009/07/06/daily90.html" rel="nofollow">http://washington.bizjournals.com/washington/stories/2009/07/06/daily90.html</a></p>
<p>Goldman Sachs Group Inc executives sold almost $700 million worth of stock since the collapse of rival Lehman Brothers last year, the Financial Times said on Monday.</p>
<p>The newspaper said that most of the stock sales took place while the biggest U.S. investment bank was bailed out by the government with $10 billion of taxpayer money, according to filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/ousivMolt/idUSTRE56D03R20090714" rel="nofollow">http://www.reuters.com/article/ousivMolt/idUSTRE56D03R20090714</a></p>
<p><a href="http://greenhellblog.com/2009/07/08/goldman-sachs-to-be-carbon-regulator/" rel="nofollow">http://greenhellblog.com/2009/07/08/goldman-sachs-to-be-carbon-regulator/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://greeninc.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/12/goldman-sachs-buys-into-carbon-offsets/" rel="nofollow">http://greeninc.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/12/goldman-sachs-buys-into-carbon-offsets/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Pat G.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 23:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GS is a bank whose profits were greatly enhanced by the USG&#039;s TARP program, the taxpayers&#039; subsequent bailout of AIG (CDS) and who currently benefits nicely by being able to borrow from the FED at 0% while making loans at 3.5%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GS is a bank whose profits were greatly enhanced by the USG&#8217;s TARP program, the taxpayers&#8217; subsequent bailout of AIG (CDS) and who currently benefits nicely by being able to borrow from the FED at 0% while making loans at 3.5%.</p>
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		<title>By: contraguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>contraguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 21:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Buffett should ask for a refund??? What an incredibly dumb thing to say. For starters, Berkshire&#039;s holding in Goldman common shares is zero. The entire $5 billion holding is in 43.4 million preferred shares with a 5 year term, paying 10% interest. Each preferred share carries a warrant, to buy a Goldman common share at $115. With Goldman common at $149.66, these warrants currently show a paper profit of over $1.5 billion. Of course, if these warrants were on the market they would be worth much more than that, with 4+ years of time premium remaining. Also importantly, the agreement with Goldman restricts how many new common shares they can sell, so Berkshire is protected from potential dilution. As for the 10% yield, aren&#039;t we supposed to be in a low interest rate environment?

The bottom line is that Buffett and Munger have more business savvy in one of their grey hairs, than in all of Jimbo&#039;s big brain. To hear him questioning their investment prowess is laughable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buffett should ask for a refund??? What an incredibly dumb thing to say. For starters, Berkshire&#8217;s holding in Goldman common shares is zero. The entire $5 billion holding is in 43.4 million preferred shares with a 5 year term, paying 10% interest. Each preferred share carries a warrant, to buy a Goldman common share at $115. With Goldman common at $149.66, these warrants currently show a paper profit of over $1.5 billion. Of course, if these warrants were on the market they would be worth much more than that, with 4+ years of time premium remaining. Also importantly, the agreement with Goldman restricts how many new common shares they can sell, so Berkshire is protected from potential dilution. As for the 10% yield, aren&#8217;t we supposed to be in a low interest rate environment?</p>
<p>The bottom line is that Buffett and Munger have more business savvy in one of their grey hairs, than in all of Jimbo&#8217;s big brain. To hear him questioning their investment prowess is laughable.</p>
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		<title>By: Tuesday links: risk and no return Abnormal Returns</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tuesday links: risk and no return Abnormal Returns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Goldman shares are now a big bet on credit.  (Big Picture) [...]</description>
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