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		<title>By: Pat G.</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/07/will-cit-wipe-out-goldmans-earnings/comment-page-1/#comment-194493</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 20:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;but I never like to stand in the way of the tinfoil crowd)&quot;

Hey!!  I resemble that remark...lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;but I never like to stand in the way of the tinfoil crowd)&#8221;</p>
<p>Hey!!  I resemble that remark&#8230;lol</p>
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		<title>By: Onlooker from Troy</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/07/will-cit-wipe-out-goldmans-earnings/comment-page-1/#comment-194267</link>
		<dc:creator>Onlooker from Troy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:53:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner traveled to Saudi Arabia and
the United Arab Emirates this week to assure those governments that
the administration is committed to getting its soaring budget
deficits under control once the current recession and financial
crisis have been contained. &quot;

In other words, our treasury sec traveled abroad again to kiss our creditors&#039; asses again, hoping they won&#039;t cut us off.  It&#039;s really pathetic ain&#039;t it?  Of course our president traveled there recently to kiss their asses hoping for them to help get our energy costs down.  And that&#039;s a regular trip in recent years. (Witness Bush holding hands for a stroll through garden with the Saudi king; blech)

We&#039;re no better than a dope ridden, strung out, broke hooker on the streets of NY, begging her dope dealer and pimp for mercy.

The borrower is indeed slave to the lender.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner traveled to Saudi Arabia and<br />
the United Arab Emirates this week to assure those governments that<br />
the administration is committed to getting its soaring budget<br />
deficits under control once the current recession and financial<br />
crisis have been contained. &#8221;</p>
<p>In other words, our treasury sec traveled abroad again to kiss our creditors&#8217; asses again, hoping they won&#8217;t cut us off.  It&#8217;s really pathetic ain&#8217;t it?  Of course our president traveled there recently to kiss their asses hoping for them to help get our energy costs down.  And that&#8217;s a regular trip in recent years. (Witness Bush holding hands for a stroll through garden with the Saudi king; blech)</p>
<p>We&#8217;re no better than a dope ridden, strung out, broke hooker on the streets of NY, begging her dope dealer and pimp for mercy.</p>
<p>The borrower is indeed slave to the lender.</p>
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		<title>By: uno</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/07/will-cit-wipe-out-goldmans-earnings/comment-page-1/#comment-194249</link>
		<dc:creator>uno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@MEH:   Log-periodic power law observations strike me as being interesting, but not tradable.  They might serve to put on on notice, but speaking for myself I need signal(s)...not just tremors...to call an earthquake.

Having said that, signals aren&#039;t everything.  E.g., while I observed &amp; called the very top in Oct &#039;07 (to the day) by way of fractal analysis, it didn&#039;t help me one bit as I was at that time handcuffed to a well-intended but inexperienced trading partner who demanded &quot;no more shorts&quot; (literal quotation) 2 days prior to the peak.

Not blaming, and I mean that quite seriously,...but the red pill does clearly have its side-effects as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@MEH:   Log-periodic power law observations strike me as being interesting, but not tradable.  They might serve to put on on notice, but speaking for myself I need signal(s)&#8230;not just tremors&#8230;to call an earthquake.</p>
<p>Having said that, signals aren&#8217;t everything.  E.g., while I observed &amp; called the very top in Oct &#8217;07 (to the day) by way of fractal analysis, it didn&#8217;t help me one bit as I was at that time handcuffed to a well-intended but inexperienced trading partner who demanded &#8220;no more shorts&#8221; (literal quotation) 2 days prior to the peak.</p>
<p>Not blaming, and I mean that quite seriously,&#8230;but the red pill does clearly have its side-effects as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Groty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Groty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Senior secured with quality assets and downside hedges.  Maybe CIT was worth more dead than alive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Senior secured with quality assets and downside hedges.  Maybe CIT was worth more dead than alive.</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/07/will-cit-wipe-out-goldmans-earnings/comment-page-1/#comment-194246</link>
		<dc:creator>Stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh-oh..

AP&#039;s writeup:

Foreign demand for US financial assets down in May
By MARTIN CRUTSINGER
AP Economics Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Foreign demand for long-term U.S. financial
assets plummeted in May as Japan and Russia trimmed their holdings
of Treasury securities.

The Treasury Department said Thursday that foreigners actually
sold $19.8 billion more long-term U.S. securities than they
purchased in May. That compared with net purchases of $11.5 billion
in April.

China, the largest foreign holder of U.S. Treasury securities,
bucked that trend. Its holdings rose to $801.5 billion, an increase
of 5 percent from $763.5 billion in April.

China&#039;s holdings are a direct result of the huge trade deficits
the U.S. runs with the emerging Asian power. The Chinese take the
dollars Americans pay for Chinese products and invest them in
Treasury securities.

American manufacturers argue that gives China unfair trade
advantages by keeping the dollar overvalued against the Chinese
currency, which makes U.S. goods more expensive for Chinese
consumers and Chinese products cheaper here.

Both the Bush and Obama administrations have argued that China
should allow its currency to rise faster in value against the
dollar but the yuan has stopped appreciating against the dollar in
recent months.

Japan, the second largest foreign owner of Treasury securities,
trimmed its holdings 1.3 percent to $677.2 billion in May, from
$685.9 billion in April.

Russia cut holdings even more sharply, reducing them 9.1 percent
to $124.5 billion in May from April.

Oil exporting countries, another large holder of Treasury
securities, boosted their holdings by 1.8 percent to $192.9
billion.

Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner traveled to Saudi Arabia and
the United Arab Emirates this week to assure those governments that
the administration is committed to getting its soaring budget
deficits under control once the current recession and financial
crisis have been contained. Geithner delivered a similar message to
the Chinese in a trip to Beijing a month ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh-oh..</p>
<p>AP&#8217;s writeup:</p>
<p>Foreign demand for US financial assets down in May<br />
By MARTIN CRUTSINGER<br />
AP Economics Writer</p>
<p>WASHINGTON (AP) &#8212; Foreign demand for long-term U.S. financial<br />
assets plummeted in May as Japan and Russia trimmed their holdings<br />
of Treasury securities.</p>
<p>The Treasury Department said Thursday that foreigners actually<br />
sold $19.8 billion more long-term U.S. securities than they<br />
purchased in May. That compared with net purchases of $11.5 billion<br />
in April.</p>
<p>China, the largest foreign holder of U.S. Treasury securities,<br />
bucked that trend. Its holdings rose to $801.5 billion, an increase<br />
of 5 percent from $763.5 billion in April.</p>
<p>China&#8217;s holdings are a direct result of the huge trade deficits<br />
the U.S. runs with the emerging Asian power. The Chinese take the<br />
dollars Americans pay for Chinese products and invest them in<br />
Treasury securities.</p>
<p>American manufacturers argue that gives China unfair trade<br />
advantages by keeping the dollar overvalued against the Chinese<br />
currency, which makes U.S. goods more expensive for Chinese<br />
consumers and Chinese products cheaper here.</p>
<p>Both the Bush and Obama administrations have argued that China<br />
should allow its currency to rise faster in value against the<br />
dollar but the yuan has stopped appreciating against the dollar in<br />
recent months.</p>
<p>Japan, the second largest foreign owner of Treasury securities,<br />
trimmed its holdings 1.3 percent to $677.2 billion in May, from<br />
$685.9 billion in April.</p>
<p>Russia cut holdings even more sharply, reducing them 9.1 percent<br />
to $124.5 billion in May from April.</p>
<p>Oil exporting countries, another large holder of Treasury<br />
securities, boosted their holdings by 1.8 percent to $192.9<br />
billion.</p>
<p>Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner traveled to Saudi Arabia and<br />
the United Arab Emirates this week to assure those governments that<br />
the administration is committed to getting its soaring budget<br />
deficits under control once the current recession and financial<br />
crisis have been contained. Geithner delivered a similar message to<br />
the Chinese in a trip to Beijing a month ago.</p>
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		<title>By: leftback</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/07/will-cit-wipe-out-goldmans-earnings/comment-page-1/#comment-194244</link>
		<dc:creator>leftback</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stuart, don&#039;t lose it, just play the Gary Shilling video, and get some Treasuries* for the end of the year.
(yes, I know, you are a gold bug, but that phase comes later...)

*LB likes the 5-year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stuart, don&#8217;t lose it, just play the Gary Shilling video, and get some Treasuries* for the end of the year.<br />
(yes, I know, you are a gold bug, but that phase comes later&#8230;)</p>
<p>*LB likes the 5-year.</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone is going to freakin&#039; lose it at this end of the keyboard if it turns out they were hedged thru AIG and get 100 cents on the dollar again....  Jesus Mother Mary of God.... lose it I says....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone is going to freakin&#8217; lose it at this end of the keyboard if it turns out they were hedged thru AIG and get 100 cents on the dollar again&#8230;.  Jesus Mother Mary of God&#8230;. lose it I says&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: leftback</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/07/will-cit-wipe-out-goldmans-earnings/comment-page-1/#comment-194239</link>
		<dc:creator>leftback</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Classic. I assume GS has CDS on CIT through AIG. Classic.

Isn&#039;t it cute the way Johnny Retail buys a few stocks early in the morning after a big squeeze day??
Even Jamie &quot;Erin Burnett&#039;s dreamboat&quot; Dimon couldn&#039;t perk up the market this morning.
So I&#039;m thinking, what chance do Pandit and Lewis have on options expiration day?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Classic. I assume GS has CDS on CIT through AIG. Classic.</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t it cute the way Johnny Retail buys a few stocks early in the morning after a big squeeze day??<br />
Even Jamie &#8220;Erin Burnett&#8217;s dreamboat&#8221; Dimon couldn&#8217;t perk up the market this morning.<br />
So I&#8217;m thinking, what chance do Pandit and Lewis have on options expiration day?</p>
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		<title>By: rfsnyc</title>
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		<dc:creator>rfsnyc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barry - don&#039;t break a sweat researching before you post - the answers to half your questions are in the links you posted along with the hyperbolic headline - yes it is secured!  A quick google search gets you the structure of the deal - Total Return Swap - secured by investment grade securities - since GS underwrote it in 3/2008 not 3/2007 its reasonable to assume the advance rate is pretty conservative but that&#039;s pure speculation - this took all of 90 seconds - you could take another 10 mins and pull the filings to learn more but then you probably couldn&#039;t post with such enthusiasm!

~~~

&lt;strong&gt;BR&lt;/strong&gt;:  Fair points (mostly). 

The blog has a mix of longer more detailed posts, and quick hits. This was obviously the latter. 

If it interests me enough to post about, the enthusiasm is always there.


</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barry &#8211; don&#8217;t break a sweat researching before you post &#8211; the answers to half your questions are in the links you posted along with the hyperbolic headline &#8211; yes it is secured!  A quick google search gets you the structure of the deal &#8211; Total Return Swap &#8211; secured by investment grade securities &#8211; since GS underwrote it in 3/2008 not 3/2007 its reasonable to assume the advance rate is pretty conservative but that&#8217;s pure speculation &#8211; this took all of 90 seconds &#8211; you could take another 10 mins and pull the filings to learn more but then you probably couldn&#8217;t post with such enthusiasm!</p>
<p>~~~</p>
<p><strong>BR</strong>:  Fair points (mostly). </p>
<p>The blog has a mix of longer more detailed posts, and quick hits. This was obviously the latter. </p>
<p>If it interests me enough to post about, the enthusiasm is always there.</p>
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		<title>By: V</title>
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		<dc:creator>V</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where have I heard that no material exposure line before?
Oh that&#039;s right:
http://www.marketwatch.com/m/story/c177ea75-3eb8-4631-b1ec-6ebae68cdcb7/0

No material exposure to AIG either apparently? 
I thought they had 19 Billion of exposure that taxpayers coughed up for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where have I heard that no material exposure line before?<br />
Oh that&#8217;s right:<br />
<a href="http://www.marketwatch.com/m/story/c177ea75-3eb8-4631-b1ec-6ebae68cdcb7/0" rel="nofollow">http://www.marketwatch.com/m/story/c177ea75-3eb8-4631-b1ec-6ebae68cdcb7/0</a></p>
<p>No material exposure to AIG either apparently?<br />
I thought they had 19 Billion of exposure that taxpayers coughed up for.</p>
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