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		<title>By: The Absurd Report &#187; An Update on the &#8220;Housing Market&#8221;</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/08/existing-home-sales-not-as-advertised/comment-page-2/#comment-211495</link>
		<dc:creator>The Absurd Report &#187; An Update on the &#8220;Housing Market&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 11:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] * The Big Picture (Blog) - Existing Home Sales Far Worse Than Advertised [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Curious Cat Investing and Economics Carnival #4 at Curious Cat Investing and Economics Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/08/existing-home-sales-not-as-advertised/comment-page-2/#comment-210883</link>
		<dc:creator>Curious Cat Investing and Economics Carnival #4 at Curious Cat Investing and Economics Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 15:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Existing Home Sales Far Worse Than Advertised by Barry Ritholtz &#8211; &#8220;While the very worst of housing trouble may be behind us, we are still looking at falling prices and increasing foreclosures. The Housing getting worse more slowly camp is ignoring the massive Federal subsidies required to get worse more slowly.&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Existing Home Sales Far Worse Than Advertised by Barry Ritholtz &#8211; &#8220;While the very worst of housing trouble may be behind us, we are still looking at falling prices and increasing foreclosures. The Housing getting worse more slowly camp is ignoring the massive Federal subsidies required to get worse more slowly.&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Now don’t this beat all. &#124; New York Real Estate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Now don’t this beat all. &#124; New York Real Estate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 02:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] don&#8217;t need to read Barry Ritholtz to know that the rebound in the housing market is not a true rebound at [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Great article on Barry Ritholz&#8217;s site about housing and what the numbers are telling us:</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/08/existing-home-sales-not-as-advertised/comment-page-2/#comment-208521</link>
		<dc:creator>Great article on Barry Ritholz&#8217;s site about housing and what the numbers are telling us:</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:30:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/08/existing-home-sales-not-as-advertised/ Did you like this? Please  If so, please addthis_pub = &#039;&#039;;bookmark it,  to everyone you know, and subscribe to the blog RSS feed. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] <a href="http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/08/existing-home-sales-not-as-advertised/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/08/existing-home-sales-not-as-advertised/</a> Did you like this? Please  If so, please addthis_pub = &#8221;;bookmark it,  to everyone you know, and subscribe to the blog RSS feed. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Transor Z</title>
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		<dc:creator>Transor Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@markmti:

Right on. The bubble created the absurd perception that RRE is a liquid asset, practically cash. I exaggerate only a little.  Now, between credit tightening, loss of household net worth, unemployment, consumer deleveraging, and an overshoot sentiment change with aversion to RRE as an investment ... The NAR spin is unreal, and probably targeting retail investors and PPIP speculators to come back into the water.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@markmti:</p>
<p>Right on. The bubble created the absurd perception that RRE is a liquid asset, practically cash. I exaggerate only a little.  Now, between credit tightening, loss of household net worth, unemployment, consumer deleveraging, and an overshoot sentiment change with aversion to RRE as an investment &#8230; The NAR spin is unreal, and probably targeting retail investors and PPIP speculators to come back into the water.</p>
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		<title>By: markmti</title>
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		<dc:creator>markmti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 11:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Transor Z -- that is the biggest prob with real estate especially in the bubble states...very few can sell and rebuy because they are either underwater outright or close enough where they can&#039;t sell, pay a Realtor and get the down out of it. That leaves first time homeowners and investors</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Transor Z &#8212; that is the biggest prob with real estate especially in the bubble states&#8230;very few can sell and rebuy because they are either underwater outright or close enough where they can&#8217;t sell, pay a Realtor and get the down out of it. That leaves first time homeowners and investors</p>
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		<title>By: TheLastGoodIdea</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheLastGoodIdea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 11:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can even use their own stats against them. According to their own stats, the only growth in home sales is at the very bottom, which probably has a significant foreclosure/short sale component.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can even use their own stats against them. According to their own stats, the only growth in home sales is at the very bottom, which probably has a significant foreclosure/short sale component.</p>
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		<title>By: TheTradingReport &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Dawn and dusk in mini San Francisco</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheTradingReport &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Dawn and dusk in mini San Francisco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 02:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Hotel losses mount, hurting city&#8217;s coffers [SF Gate]· Existing Home Sales far worse than advertised [TOS]· Twitter and Facebook: HQ interior porn [Valleywag]· San Jose: one of the 10 best cities [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Transor Z</title>
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		<dc:creator>Transor Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 01:13:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Maybe if folks buy houses priced 10% to 20% less than their current homes (provided they can actually sell their current houses first).&lt;/i&gt;

Sorry, this probably looks strange -- supposed to be a joke since so many people have very little equity in their current houses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Maybe if folks buy houses priced 10% to 20% less than their current homes (provided they can actually sell their current houses first).</i></p>
<p>Sorry, this probably looks strange &#8212; supposed to be a joke since so many people have very little equity in their current houses.</p>
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		<title>By: Transor Z</title>
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		<dc:creator>Transor Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 00:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2008 June 445,000, July 436,000 (-9k)
2009 June 465,000, July 460,000 (-5k)

Say 436,000 units sold in July 2008 @ $250,000. That&#039;s $109 billion in gross sales.

One year later, 460,000 units sold at, say, an average of -15% from July 2008 price, say $212,500.  That&#039;s $97.75 billion in gross sales -- &lt;i&gt;for +24,000 units sold.&lt;/i&gt; 

Did you get that last italicized part? That means lower gross on more volume. Cuz that&#039;s how we roll in math skillz class, yo.

Perhaps from the myopic viewpoint of brokers collecting commissions on units changing hands, that&#039;s an average drop of &quot;only&quot; $1300 per unit. ($250,000 @ 3.5% = $8750 commission; $212,500 @3.5% = $7437 commission) .  Honestly, I don&#039;t know WTF the RE/NAR types are thinking.  I suspect that, as long as units are moving, they&#039;re getting paid and could give a crap about such irrelevant matters as how and whether future buyers are going to have 10% or 20% to put down. Maybe if folks buy houses priced 10% to 20% less than their current homes (provided they can actually sell their current houses first).

Times are now hard for brokers who came to believe that slapping a sign on the side of a property and waiting for the phone calls to start pouring in was how you found a ready, willing and able buyer. 

Welcome to Days on Zillow: 367. 

Anyone remember way back in the days before borrowing from 1000 years into the future made billions seem trivial, when it used to be a big deal to talk about losses in the tens of billions in a single sector of the economy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2008 June 445,000, July 436,000 (-9k)<br />
2009 June 465,000, July 460,000 (-5k)</p>
<p>Say 436,000 units sold in July 2008 @ $250,000. That&#8217;s $109 billion in gross sales.</p>
<p>One year later, 460,000 units sold at, say, an average of -15% from July 2008 price, say $212,500.  That&#8217;s $97.75 billion in gross sales &#8212; <i>for +24,000 units sold.</i> </p>
<p>Did you get that last italicized part? That means lower gross on more volume. Cuz that&#8217;s how we roll in math skillz class, yo.</p>
<p>Perhaps from the myopic viewpoint of brokers collecting commissions on units changing hands, that&#8217;s an average drop of &#8220;only&#8221; $1300 per unit. ($250,000 @ 3.5% = $8750 commission; $212,500 @3.5% = $7437 commission) .  Honestly, I don&#8217;t know WTF the RE/NAR types are thinking.  I suspect that, as long as units are moving, they&#8217;re getting paid and could give a crap about such irrelevant matters as how and whether future buyers are going to have 10% or 20% to put down. Maybe if folks buy houses priced 10% to 20% less than their current homes (provided they can actually sell their current houses first).</p>
<p>Times are now hard for brokers who came to believe that slapping a sign on the side of a property and waiting for the phone calls to start pouring in was how you found a ready, willing and able buyer. </p>
<p>Welcome to Days on Zillow: 367. </p>
<p>Anyone remember way back in the days before borrowing from 1000 years into the future made billions seem trivial, when it used to be a big deal to talk about losses in the tens of billions in a single sector of the economy?</p>
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