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		<title>By: basquebob</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/08/hoover-on-the-recovery/comment-page-1/#comment-205248</link>
		<dc:creator>basquebob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To the Common Man: Gold is just like paper, people agreed a while back to make gold the tradeable and valuable thing before that they had copper and in other societies they had arrow heads. The $ has lost 93% of  its purchasing power since 1907 and here we are making sterile arguments. The government can do with gold as it wants and does with other things.

People trash the dollars by buying things but it is funny how what it buys turns into trash real quick too: real estate being the case in point.

Talk about reading about reading history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To the Common Man: Gold is just like paper, people agreed a while back to make gold the tradeable and valuable thing before that they had copper and in other societies they had arrow heads. The $ has lost 93% of  its purchasing power since 1907 and here we are making sterile arguments. The government can do with gold as it wants and does with other things.</p>
<p>People trash the dollars by buying things but it is funny how what it buys turns into trash real quick too: real estate being the case in point.</p>
<p>Talk about reading about reading history.</p>
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		<title>By: EAR</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/08/hoover-on-the-recovery/comment-page-1/#comment-205103</link>
		<dc:creator>EAR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 14:03:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;We have a lot further to go. As far as I&#039;m concerned, we will not have a true recovery until we stop losing jobs... We have a steep mountain to climb, and we started in a deep valley&quot;

Is not quite...

“While the crash only took place six months ago, I am convinced we have now passed through the worst — and with continued unity of effort we shall rapidly recover. There has been no significant bank or industrial failure. That danger, too, is safely behind us.”

What?! I&#039;m just sayin&#039;...

As fascinating as the unprecedented financial clusterfuckalypse and all of its implications are, when taking into account the fact that I have two beautiful young sons to nurture and protect , I become viscerally angry and anxious.

Are there any precise indicators out there that will help us see the need to actually flee ahead of time?

Who specializes specifically in constructing bunker type structures? Moats, etc?

Are the CEOs who have been selling stock in their own companies in record numbers purchasing homes in isolated areas?  Buying M134 Miniguns?

Anyone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We have a lot further to go. As far as I&#8217;m concerned, we will not have a true recovery until we stop losing jobs&#8230; We have a steep mountain to climb, and we started in a deep valley&#8221;</p>
<p>Is not quite&#8230;</p>
<p>“While the crash only took place six months ago, I am convinced we have now passed through the worst — and with continued unity of effort we shall rapidly recover. There has been no significant bank or industrial failure. That danger, too, is safely behind us.”</p>
<p>What?! I&#8217;m just sayin&#8217;&#8230;</p>
<p>As fascinating as the unprecedented financial clusterfuckalypse and all of its implications are, when taking into account the fact that I have two beautiful young sons to nurture and protect , I become viscerally angry and anxious.</p>
<p>Are there any precise indicators out there that will help us see the need to actually flee ahead of time?</p>
<p>Who specializes specifically in constructing bunker type structures? Moats, etc?</p>
<p>Are the CEOs who have been selling stock in their own companies in record numbers purchasing homes in isolated areas?  Buying M134 Miniguns?</p>
<p>Anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: How the Common Man Sees It</title>
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		<dc:creator>How the Common Man Sees It</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 12:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>basquebob Says: August 17th, 2009 at 1:32 am

&lt;i&gt;Hasn’t it always been worthless paper? So what changed? As long as the majority want to believe that the paper they hold means something we will just keep chugging along.&lt;/i&gt;

No, it hasn&#039;t. Once upon a time(only 30 years ago) it was convertible into gold. What changed? The government changed the rules in favor of their bankster buddies because they thought the gold backing was too restraining on their plans for world domination

&lt;i&gt;As long as the majority want to believe that the paper they hold means something we will just keep chugging along.&lt;/i&gt;

Isn&#039;t that what I stated above? As long as the fed prints and as long as people accept that the paper has value, the confidence game continues


&lt;i&gt;Oh yeah a lot of people are pissed, including me, but I haven’t seen anyone throwing their dollars or yen or whatever in the trash. Yeah, like China doesn’t have a few issues of their own or everyone else for that matter. So how do you replace 20~25% of the economy of the world overnight? You don’t.&lt;/i&gt;

Actually most people who have a lot of cash do trash it. That is also what I stated. They trade it for tangible goods asap. They do this because they know instinctively that those dollars are losing value so they want to get value for them. I try to trash as many dollars as possible as soon as possible by converting them to stock.

And no, a currency doesn&#039;t usually die overnight but you would be shocked at how fast it can become worthless. After all, it is backed by the &#039;full faith and credit&#039;. The minute that backing is taken, and it can be taken with the stroke of government&#039;s pen, then it is worthless. Just study up on the history of fiat currency to see</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>basquebob Says: August 17th, 2009 at 1:32 am</p>
<p><i>Hasn’t it always been worthless paper? So what changed? As long as the majority want to believe that the paper they hold means something we will just keep chugging along.</i></p>
<p>No, it hasn&#8217;t. Once upon a time(only 30 years ago) it was convertible into gold. What changed? The government changed the rules in favor of their bankster buddies because they thought the gold backing was too restraining on their plans for world domination</p>
<p><i>As long as the majority want to believe that the paper they hold means something we will just keep chugging along.</i></p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t that what I stated above? As long as the fed prints and as long as people accept that the paper has value, the confidence game continues</p>
<p><i>Oh yeah a lot of people are pissed, including me, but I haven’t seen anyone throwing their dollars or yen or whatever in the trash. Yeah, like China doesn’t have a few issues of their own or everyone else for that matter. So how do you replace 20~25% of the economy of the world overnight? You don’t.</i></p>
<p>Actually most people who have a lot of cash do trash it. That is also what I stated. They trade it for tangible goods asap. They do this because they know instinctively that those dollars are losing value so they want to get value for them. I try to trash as many dollars as possible as soon as possible by converting them to stock.</p>
<p>And no, a currency doesn&#8217;t usually die overnight but you would be shocked at how fast it can become worthless. After all, it is backed by the &#8216;full faith and credit&#8217;. The minute that backing is taken, and it can be taken with the stroke of government&#8217;s pen, then it is worthless. Just study up on the history of fiat currency to see</p>
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		<title>By: Mike in Nola</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 06:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mannie: Thanks for the acknowledgement, though I can&#039;t say I have a lot of confidence in my prediction. It could just as well be as constantnormal says, with it being strung out a long time because of the interventions.

Looking like a good day for our US Treasuries. Shoulda bought more a week ago. Well, I guess everyone feels that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mannie: Thanks for the acknowledgement, though I can&#8217;t say I have a lot of confidence in my prediction. It could just as well be as constantnormal says, with it being strung out a long time because of the interventions.</p>
<p>Looking like a good day for our US Treasuries. Shoulda bought more a week ago. Well, I guess everyone feels that way.</p>
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		<title>By: basquebob</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 05:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hasn&#039;t it always been worthless paper? So what changed? As long as the majority want to believe that the paper they hold means something we will just keep chugging along. 

Oh yeah a lot of people are pissed, including me, but  I haven&#039;t seen anyone throwing their dollars or yen or whatever in the trash. Yeah, like China doesn&#039;t have a few issues of their own or everyone else for that matter. So how do you replace 20~25% of the economy of the world overnight? You don&#039;t.

Sorry for those that so blindly trusted their models and dogma that those models and dogma fail to hold water sooner or later. Something about the human instinct to survive. May I ad, in spite of dogma.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hasn&#8217;t it always been worthless paper? So what changed? As long as the majority want to believe that the paper they hold means something we will just keep chugging along. </p>
<p>Oh yeah a lot of people are pissed, including me, but  I haven&#8217;t seen anyone throwing their dollars or yen or whatever in the trash. Yeah, like China doesn&#8217;t have a few issues of their own or everyone else for that matter. So how do you replace 20~25% of the economy of the world overnight? You don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Sorry for those that so blindly trusted their models and dogma that those models and dogma fail to hold water sooner or later. Something about the human instinct to survive. May I ad, in spite of dogma.</p>
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		<title>By: franklin420d</title>
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		<dc:creator>franklin420d</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 04:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@cvienne

5:15pm
&quot;Now here is a link to my fruit stand…&quot;

FYI, I spent the last hree hours searching fruitlessly for your link - WHAT up man....

Not to worry though the money I save NOT buying stuff at your fruit stand, is going straight into my 401k.
So it looks like you will be the big losser in the end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@cvienne</p>
<p>5:15pm<br />
&#8220;Now here is a link to my fruit stand…&#8221;</p>
<p>FYI, I spent the last hree hours searching fruitlessly for your link &#8211; WHAT up man&#8230;.</p>
<p>Not to worry though the money I save NOT buying stuff at your fruit stand, is going straight into my 401k.<br />
So it looks like you will be the big losser in the end.</p>
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		<title>By: How the Common Man Sees It</title>
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		<dc:creator>How the Common Man Sees It</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 04:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We all know it isn&#039;t that simple. I&#039;m going by what their actions are. Not by what they say they believe or even what they say they do. The fed has shown a perfect willingness to buy every debt instrument on the planet and people have shown a perfect willingness to sell those debt instruments for paper dollars on the assumption that both are worth something. Maybe that is it. They are both worthless so it is a nothing for nothing deal. 

I guess the confusing part is that people must be taking those worthless dollars and trading them for something of tangible value. I can&#039;t see them holding the paper for long. So the real dupe is the guy who gives up real assets and labor for the paper. I assume he wants to dump it off before the music stops as well. 

So everyone is passing around the hot potato and no one wants to be stuck with it when the music stops (to mix metaphors). The question is when is the music going to stop?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We all know it isn&#8217;t that simple. I&#8217;m going by what their actions are. Not by what they say they believe or even what they say they do. The fed has shown a perfect willingness to buy every debt instrument on the planet and people have shown a perfect willingness to sell those debt instruments for paper dollars on the assumption that both are worth something. Maybe that is it. They are both worthless so it is a nothing for nothing deal. </p>
<p>I guess the confusing part is that people must be taking those worthless dollars and trading them for something of tangible value. I can&#8217;t see them holding the paper for long. So the real dupe is the guy who gives up real assets and labor for the paper. I assume he wants to dump it off before the music stops as well. </p>
<p>So everyone is passing around the hot potato and no one wants to be stuck with it when the music stops (to mix metaphors). The question is when is the music going to stop?</p>
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		<title>By: investorinpa</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 03:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Banks, which supposedly are recovering, may be in more trouble than we are being told:  http://contraryriches.blogspot.com/2009/08/banks-in-trouble-all-around.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Banks, which supposedly are recovering, may be in more trouble than we are being told:  <a href="http://contraryriches.blogspot.com/2009/08/banks-in-trouble-all-around.html" rel="nofollow">http://contraryriches.blogspot.com/2009/08/banks-in-trouble-all-around.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Hoover On The Recovery</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hoover On The Recovery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 03:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/08/hoover-on-the-recovery/     Posted in Econ &amp; Finance, Politics          &#171; Even The Lib Bloggers Are Struggling To Figure This One [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] <a href="http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/08/hoover-on-the-recovery/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/08/hoover-on-the-recovery/</a>     Posted in Econ &amp; Finance, Politics          &laquo; Even The Lib Bloggers Are Struggling To Figure This One [...]</p>
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		<title>By: tudor2</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 03:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Come on Barry, just post the whole thing again:
http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/2006/11/19271933_chart_.html

I think the whole swine flu mess will make this depression worse. That&#039;s why I&#039;m long NVAX until its hits $30</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come on Barry, just post the whole thing again:<br />
<a href="http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/2006/11/19271933_chart_.html" rel="nofollow">http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/2006/11/19271933_chart_.html</a></p>
<p>I think the whole swine flu mess will make this depression worse. That&#8217;s why I&#8217;m long NVAX until its hits $30</p>
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