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		<title>By: Mark E Hoffer</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/08/weak-consumers-credit-less-firms/comment-page-1/#comment-210259</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark E Hoffer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 15:31:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...This cycle looks only to be getting worse. The effects of the massive scaling back of American science and engineering research in the 1990s and 2000s may just be beginning...&quot;

We should Wonder.  Then, Research.

I&#039;m not, at this juncture, going to bother with details, though, if we think that the majority of developed(read: Proven) Technologies that have been Developed, over the last interim, have made their Way, unmolested, into our Economy, it may behoove Us to start Thinking, you know, For a Change..

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/interim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;This cycle looks only to be getting worse. The effects of the massive scaling back of American science and engineering research in the 1990s and 2000s may just be beginning&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>We should Wonder.  Then, Research.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not, at this juncture, going to bother with details, though, if we think that the majority of developed(read: Proven) Technologies that have been Developed, over the last interim, have made their Way, unmolested, into our Economy, it may behoove Us to start Thinking, you know, For a Change..</p>
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		<title>By: Mike in Nola</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/08/weak-consumers-credit-less-firms/comment-page-1/#comment-210250</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike in Nola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 15:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bruce: v. good - we have been living off our capital, not the interest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruce: v. good &#8211; we have been living off our capital, not the interest.</p>
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		<title>By: Onlooker from Troy</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/08/weak-consumers-credit-less-firms/comment-page-1/#comment-210234</link>
		<dc:creator>Onlooker from Troy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 14:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bruce

That Business Week article was certainly jarring.  It puts all this shortsighted, quarter-to-quarter profit seeking behavior in context (a kind of scary one) and really reflects poorly on this era, especially on top of the shallow consumerism that has dominated.  Wonderful, eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruce</p>
<p>That Business Week article was certainly jarring.  It puts all this shortsighted, quarter-to-quarter profit seeking behavior in context (a kind of scary one) and really reflects poorly on this era, especially on top of the shallow consumerism that has dominated.  Wonderful, eh?</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce in Tn</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/08/weak-consumers-credit-less-firms/comment-page-1/#comment-210218</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce in Tn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 12:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From willid&#039;s post earlier Saturday:

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/09_36/b4145036681619_page_2.htm

As a consequence of exporting good jobs that are not fully replaced, the U.S. demand engine is broken. Of the roughly 130 million jobs in the U.S., only 20% (26 million) pay more than $60,000 a year. The other 80% pay an average of $33,000. That ratio is not a good foundation for a strong middle class and a prosperous society. Rather than a demand engine, it&#039;s a decay curve. As a nation, we have papered over our declining incomes by accepting the need for two incomes per household and by borrowing heavily, often against paper assets inflated by financial bubbles (dot-com and housing). In recent years, personal debt has grown much faster than personal income. In 1985 the ratio of household debt to household income was 0.7 to 1; in 2000 it was 1 to 1; in 2008, it was 1.7 to 1. We earned less, so we borrowed more. In 2007 we reached our limit. 

This cycle looks only to be getting worse. The effects of the massive scaling back of American science and engineering research in the 1990s and 2000s may just be beginning. Unless reversed, it is likely to have its greatest impact a decade from now, when the missing discoveries of a generation earlier would have been expected to come to commercial fruition. It&#039;s time to identify—and fix—the root of the problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From willid&#8217;s post earlier Saturday:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/09_36/b4145036681619_page_2.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/09_36/b4145036681619_page_2.htm</a></p>
<p>As a consequence of exporting good jobs that are not fully replaced, the U.S. demand engine is broken. Of the roughly 130 million jobs in the U.S., only 20% (26 million) pay more than $60,000 a year. The other 80% pay an average of $33,000. That ratio is not a good foundation for a strong middle class and a prosperous society. Rather than a demand engine, it&#8217;s a decay curve. As a nation, we have papered over our declining incomes by accepting the need for two incomes per household and by borrowing heavily, often against paper assets inflated by financial bubbles (dot-com and housing). In recent years, personal debt has grown much faster than personal income. In 1985 the ratio of household debt to household income was 0.7 to 1; in 2000 it was 1 to 1; in 2008, it was 1.7 to 1. We earned less, so we borrowed more. In 2007 we reached our limit. </p>
<p>This cycle looks only to be getting worse. The effects of the massive scaling back of American science and engineering research in the 1990s and 2000s may just be beginning. Unless reversed, it is likely to have its greatest impact a decade from now, when the missing discoveries of a generation earlier would have been expected to come to commercial fruition. It&#8217;s time to identify—and fix—the root of the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: wunsacon</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/08/weak-consumers-credit-less-firms/comment-page-1/#comment-210207</link>
		<dc:creator>wunsacon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 04:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So true, Onlooker, all...

Hey, I hope y&#039;all saw this:
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2009/08/34-percent-of-workers-have-one-week-or.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So true, Onlooker, all&#8230;</p>
<p>Hey, I hope y&#8217;all saw this:<br />
<a href="http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2009/08/34-percent-of-workers-have-one-week-or.html" rel="nofollow">http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2009/08/34-percent-of-workers-have-one-week-or.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Onlooker from Troy</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/08/weak-consumers-credit-less-firms/comment-page-1/#comment-210201</link>
		<dc:creator>Onlooker from Troy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 03:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One other thing they didn&#039;t think through in biz school.  All this reliance on just in time money, financing just about everything with debt, including pay rolls.  It works real well not to have to have all that capital sitting around being unproductive, until just one thing hiccups.  Then it&#039;s a cascade of ill effects.  It&#039;s just a small problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One other thing they didn&#8217;t think through in biz school.  All this reliance on just in time money, financing just about everything with debt, including pay rolls.  It works real well not to have to have all that capital sitting around being unproductive, until just one thing hiccups.  Then it&#8217;s a cascade of ill effects.  It&#8217;s just a small problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Onlooker from Troy</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/08/weak-consumers-credit-less-firms/comment-page-1/#comment-210199</link>
		<dc:creator>Onlooker from Troy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 03:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike

Very interesting article about suppliers.  Just another unforeseen consequence of outsourcing among other things.  The big manufacturer is lean and mean and can downshift quite quickly, but the burden falls instead on their suppliers who are crushed.  Boy, I bet it all sounded good in biz school.  They didn&#039;t quite think this one all the wy through though, eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike</p>
<p>Very interesting article about suppliers.  Just another unforeseen consequence of outsourcing among other things.  The big manufacturer is lean and mean and can downshift quite quickly, but the burden falls instead on their suppliers who are crushed.  Boy, I bet it all sounded good in biz school.  They didn&#8217;t quite think this one all the wy through though, eh?</p>
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		<title>By: DiggidyDan</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/08/weak-consumers-credit-less-firms/comment-page-1/#comment-210195</link>
		<dc:creator>DiggidyDan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 02:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think we started a proxy linkfest here</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think we started a proxy linkfest here</p>
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		<title>By: Mike in Nola</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/08/weak-consumers-credit-less-firms/comment-page-1/#comment-210193</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike in Nola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 02:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting lesser known effect of the manufacturing downturn:  Zombie suppliers.

http://www.reuters.com/article/ousiv/idUSTRE57O5AA20090825</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting lesser known effect of the manufacturing downturn:  Zombie suppliers.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/ousiv/idUSTRE57O5AA20090825" rel="nofollow">http://www.reuters.com/article/ousiv/idUSTRE57O5AA20090825</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mike in Nola</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/08/weak-consumers-credit-less-firms/comment-page-1/#comment-210192</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike in Nola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 02:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree about the net worth. Shows how many superrich there must have been.

ZH has a very good succinct descriptions of the current relationship between the US and China. Ignore the title, as it is somewhat irrelevant to the content of the comment.
 
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/ongoing-chinese-annexation-us-consumer</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree about the net worth. Shows how many superrich there must have been.</p>
<p>ZH has a very good succinct descriptions of the current relationship between the US and China. Ignore the title, as it is somewhat irrelevant to the content of the comment.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.zerohedge.com/article/ongoing-chinese-annexation-us-consumer" rel="nofollow">http://www.zerohedge.com/article/ongoing-chinese-annexation-us-consumer</a></p>
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